Preview Changes vs Carlton

[wayToGo_]

Geez, do we need to make this a "positives only" thread? Being omitted isn't the end of the world. The fact that almost our entire list can win a spot on our team is a great thing imo. You can't achieve that if you worry about every omission. Our culture needs to shift from 22 core players where others only come in due to injuries to a full list confident that every other guy is going to work their butt off each week.

It's a great opportunity for Tucker and Grey to prove their selection was the right choice. Crozier and Tabs get another week to prove themselves. Langdon got three games, he did some good things but was a bit out of his depth at other times, he'll be back.

Still predicting plenty more changes as the season progresses, so "strap yourselves in".

 

[PapaJ]

The amount of 28-and-overs and 22-and-unders doesn't fill you with confidence though, its like an inverse normal distribution.

Inverse of normal has been the way our proud club likes to do it.

 

[E Shed]

Watch Suban come straight back in when there is someone to run with, or at least plan to run with.

Not if Grey takes his chance. This is what he's been doing at Peel.
Happy with the changes. Excited about the game. Be very surprised if we don't get on the board with 4 points this week.
Morabito, Blakely, Hughes, Mundy, Bennell in the shed means real pressure to perform.
This year is getting interesting.

 

[Gekko71]

I'd suggest trying to get consistency into and out of Croz was the only reason Langdon was dropped over Croz. If Croz plays as badly as he did last week chances are it'll be Langdon in for Croz

Agreed - Croz is too hit and miss right now, but dropping him right away would not have been fair to Croz... he did enough at WAFL to deserve a spot; his first AFL outing back was awful, but let's see if he can pick it up a notch.

Does it? Then Mayne should've been done two years ago.

Agreed - Mayne has had plenty of chances, and if Apeness or Yarran were even remotely ready then maybe he wouldn't be there. With this weeks outs, the replacements are pretty obvious - but Mayne doesn't have a clear like-for-like at present. Personally I think Mayne knows he's the next most-obvious omission.

 

[Righteo]

Love these changes (...yes, even Langdon sorry)

With Suban out - it sends a message
With Ibbo and Suban out - it sends a stronger message
But with Langdon, Suban and Ibbo all out, it sends the strongest (and most important) message of all:

"It doesn't matter if you're young, old, mid, defender, experienced or green... if you can't consistently perform at the expected level, then you'll get dropped."

With Langdon out, the message is now not one of preferring youth over experience - it's all about player performance.

Langdon out was a little harsh, but it sets the right precedent. Those next in line for the axe no longer need to be told - they know they're nearing the front of the queue.

Abso-****ing-lutely. I suspect a few of our players will be having some restless nights ahead, specifically those named Danyle and Chris. Actually, for the sake of anonymity we'll call them D.Pearce and C.Mayne.

Also, it would be remiss of me to not mention Darcy Tucker and Brady Grey at least once, really the focus should mostly be on their first games in front of the Freo faithful

 

[serial_thrilla]

The amount of 28-and-overs and 22-and-unders doesn't fill you with confidence though, its like an inverse normal distribution.

In descending age order:

Pavlich - 34
Johnson - 31
Dawson - 30
Griffin - 30
D Pearce - 30
Spurr - 28
Mayne - 27
Barlow - 28
Ballantyne - 28
Clarke - 26
Walters - 25
Hill - 25
Fyfe - 24
Taberner - 22
Sheridan - 22
Neale - 22
Crozier - 22
Grey - 20
A Pearce - 20
Weller - 20
Tucker - 19

All we have to do is get rid of a couple of 30 year olds (D Pearce & Dawson) and bring in a 24 year old (Morabito) and a 21 year old (Collins) and the distribution looks fine.

 

[PapaJ]

That side should keep the play the youth brigade happy. Should be the end of the melt thread.

That's assuming we win.

Also, is there still some doubt about Neale being a late change (fitness test and all)? If so there'd be some chance of a Suban for Neale ... that would snap some brains around here.

 

[Lach72]

I'm going to miss the game, **** it all [emoji24]

 

[Grape Bear]

Suban out!





Did someone just hear that crack? Hell just froze over...

 

[Grape Bear]

That's assuming we win.

Also, is there still some doubt about Neale being a late change (fitness test and all)? If so there'd be some chance of a Suban for Neale ... that would snap some brains around here.

It's also looking like rain. We seem to be going a bit tall with Griff and Clarke both in.

 

[Lach72]

Other than Langdon out, this works for me.

I hope Tucker and Grey can perform.

 

[serial_thrilla]

In descending age order:

Pavlich - 34
Johnson - 31
Dawson - 30
Griffin - 30
D Pearce - 30
Spurr - 28
Mayne - 27
Barlow - 28
Ballantyne - 28
Clarke - 26
Walters - 25
Hill - 25
Fyfe - 24
Taberner - 22
Sheridan - 22
Neale - 22
Crozier - 22
Grey - 20
A Pearce - 20
Weller - 20
Tucker - 19

All we have to do is get rid of a couple of 30 year olds (D Pearce & Dawson) and bring in a 24 year old (Morabito) and a 21 year old (Collins) and the distribution looks fine.

The problem is the the 2010 AFL draft was a bust for us, so we're missing players in the 23 year old bracket, and they should be making up the core of our up and comers.

What we got from that draft: Pitt, Michie, Mellington, Roberts, Lower, Bucovaz, Ruffles.

 

[Whatname]

Understand while not liking Suban's omission.

Dont understand some reactions on here to this news though, did I see dockers supporters calling him Susan???

 

[getgaff]

Not wanting to disturb the peace people but I am dumbfounded as to how Ibbotson gets omitted but Mayne stays in the team, granted they play different roles which probably answers my question but Freo are going nowhere while they persist with Mayne. Play 21 if you have to

Swing the axe properly and omit Mayne. These outs send a good message to the players that if your not performing you'll go back to Peel but its missing Mayne.

 

[FreoRicci]

Well there it is. My buddy officially out. Have to say, it has been coming. Pleasantly surprised that Ross and Co have sent a strong message and means business with the 're-building, re-grouping' phase. The lesser lights aren't getting the easy chances anymore and that's evidence with Mzungu being omitted, followed by De Boer and Suban.

 

[serial_thrilla]

So who is the next #1 target for us to demand to be dropped?
Mayne?
D Pearce?
Barlow?
Dawson?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

That side should keep the play the youth brigade happy. Should be the end of the melt thread.

We will get a real picture of Ross' intentions next week when Mundy returns. Then followed by Blakely and Hughes who are both playing this weekend.
If the new youngsters perform this week, I'm thinking MickyB may make room for Mundy.
Chris Mayne will probably hold his spot by default until Yarran and Bennell are fit.

It isn't over for Langdon either.

Darcy Tucker the line breaking Half Back / Winger with a terrific left foot on him, could see an end to Stephen Hill on the HB line. Hopefully that improves the delivery quality into the forward line.

Feeling really confident we're going to do a job on Carlton.

 

[wayToGo_]

So I thought about writing a list of players who are on notice and need to perform or be at risk of being cut. But then realised it'd be far quicker to create a list of those who are still probably safe if they perform below par this weekend (eg Fyfe). Think we are ready for the rest of the season now.

 

[FreoRicci]

So who is the next #1 target for us to demand to be dropped?
Mayne?
D Pearce?
Barlow?
Dawson?

Barlow/D. Pearce I would think. Replaceable roles. When Mora is fit, can see him replacing D. Pearce and play Half back.
Dawson is no way getting dropped. Who else we have that can effectively keep Kennedy etc to limited goals? He has been the one standing up in defence, whilst others around him struggled.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

So who is the next #1 target for us to demand to be dropped?
Mayne?
D Pearce?
Barlow?
Dawson?

Let's just enjoy this week watching Darcy and Brady.
It would also be great if Weller and Alex Pearce turned in a blinder.

 

[wayToGo_]

Darcy Tucker the line breaking Half Back / Winger with a terrific left foot on him, could see an end to Stephen Hill on the HB line. Hopefully that improves the delivery qaulity into the forward line.

Completely agree. I don't think Hill played from HB as much last week, and they had Sheridan there most of the time. Sheridan + Tucker should hopefully mean Hill can focus on inside 50 delivery more.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Not wanting to disturb the peace people but I am dumbfounded as to how Ibbotson gets omitted but Mayne stays in the team, granted they play different roles which probably answers my question but Freo are going nowhere while they persist with Mayne. Play 21 if you have to

Swing the axe properly and omit Mayne. These outs send a good message to the players that if your not performing you'll go back to Peel but its missing Mayne.

You won't find many defending Mayne but his performance last week was enough to keep him in. Ibbo has lost his mojo, needs to gain some confidence before he gets another crack in the seniors.

 

[DaveLister]

Not wanting to disturb the peace people but I am dumbfounded as to how Ibbotson gets omitted but Mayne stays in the team, granted they play different roles which probably answers my question but Freo are going nowhere while they persist with Mayne. Play 21 if you have to

Swing the axe properly and omit Mayne. These outs send a good message to the players that if your not performing you'll go back to Peel but its missing Mayne.

You're analysis is lacking severely and if you had spent the time to read any of the posts in this thread then you'd be doing a lot better at 'not disturbing the peace'. Put simply we don't have the players to cover Mayne's role where as Ibbo's role is easily covered by MJ. Also, you probably haven't watched much of the dockers game bar the derby which was Ibbo's only half decent game for the year.

 

[Nolo180]

The problem is the the 2010 AFL draft was a bust for us, so we're missing players in the 23 year old bracket, and they should be making up the core of our up and comers.

What we got from that draft: Pitt, Michie, Mellington, Roberts, Lower, Bucovaz, Ruffles.

Does Harley count?

 

[Gekko71]

So who is the next #1 target for us to demand to be dropped?
Mayne?
D Pearce?
Barlow?
Dawson?

I would say D Pearce first, then Mayne. The North Melbourne game really drove home to me that Danny has lost a yard of pace - his man was running him down all match. Langdon however still has plenty of toe to give.

As stated earlier, the only thing keeping Mayne there is the lack of a suitable replacement: Apeness, Yarran, Hannath, Tanner, Irish, Morra, Uber - none of them are currently ready. Collins or Silva are the only other options I can think of, but neither of them are natural forwards either (though I wouldn't mind Collins having a shot later in the season if we continue to lose).