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I maintain that Petch is essentially a project player, late to footy, who is around 50 games in. I think you'd be silly to throw him on the scrap heap now, especially in a developmental year. If he's still drifting in and out of games this time next year, I'll be more concerned.

I like the idea of him being thrown around the field a little more, used a bit more creatively.
 
Carbine Chaos said:
I maintain that Petch is essentially a project player, late to footy, who is around 50 games in. I think you'd be silly to throw him on the scrap heap now, especially in a developmental year. If he's still drifting in and out of games this time next year, I'll be more concerned.

I like the idea of him being thrown around the field a little more, used a bit more creatively.
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It’s hard to fully judge him (and a few others) until they've played under a different coach.
 
Small forward who struggled for three quarters in a dysfunctional forward line being fed by an under-strength midfield.

Shifted into the midfield in the fourth quarter and came alive.

Definitely should be delisted.
 

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Actually I think he's been far from the worst. He at least seems to be trying to get to contests and put pressure on.

At times he doesn't get a fair run with the umps and that (understandably) frustrates him. He will be a far better player in a better side - especially with Rioli to share some of the pressure. He is being asked to be a key forward in the absence of good form from JK and JD (and any other forward) especially with the ball just being bombed in.

For me his only negative is much as he's a fabulous mark I don't like seeing him compete with the bigger forwards - a specky is great but it's not a percentage option.
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He was with Rioli last week, but just seemed a bit off his game and same yesterday. Agree with the spekky stuff..always concerned about injury to those pretzel legs!
But yep with JK, JD and Willy around, he'll have more space or options.
Unless Petch is being instructed to play a certain way, he's having little impact compared to elite runners in other teams..but like most of the team at present it's hard to judge anyone due to the absolute shambolic situation?
Just saw Simmos presser and he hinted that Petch might see more onball time in future...makes sense to use him there.
 
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Carbine Chaos said:
I maintain that Petch is essentially a project player, late to footy, who is around 50 games in. I think you'd be silly to throw him on the scrap heap now, especially in a developmental year. If he's still drifting in and out of games this time next year, I'll be more concerned.

I like the idea of him being thrown around the field a little more, used a bit more creatively.
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I don’t even know what a project player is? You either can or you can’t.
Next year will be year 6, this is his 5th development year.
Sorry mate I know you are a fan but he can’t play.
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
Small forward who struggled for three quarters in a dysfunctional forward line being fed by an under-strength midfield.

Shifted into the midfield in the fourth quarter and came alive.

Definitely should be delisted.
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Small forward who has struggled since he was drafted.
 
In comes in half the team on Covid protocols and out half the team due for Covid Protocols. At this rate if we constantly play half teams each week we might be able to have two solid teams taking in turns each week by 2025.

Our game plan this year is the Covid Protocols game plan isn't it.

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Personally dont care who we bring in/ drop, because IMHO the bigger problem is the gameplan rather than the personnel.

Shuey, Rioli, Barrass, Kelly and Duggan will definitely help us to get our hands on the ball more often, but if the team keeps looking to play zone footy and refuses to check/chase their direct opponents like on Sunday (and make it "someone else's problem" like they usually do) then we're just shuffling deckchairs.

Based on his last performance Kennedy should be dropped - frustration well and truly got the better of him yesterday and the team is too focused on dropping bombs on his head when he's outnumbered. Leave Kennedy to play home games only, and lets start building our forward structure for when he inevitably retires this year.

It wont happen, but Rioli should be brought in as a straight swap for Ryan. Not only did Liam look terribly out of form and in need of a WAFL run, but there's a pretty bad selfish streak starting to sneak into his game - reluctant to pass the ball when he has it, opting to take set shots when other forwards were on in the attacking 50, etc. Needs a good dose of teamwork in the 2s.

Gaff and Redden both need a spray this week, and keep their spots only because we literally have no one available to replace them. I think enough has already been said about these 2.

The biggest IN this week should be a directive towards attacking footy. The derby showed the team is FAR too comfortable slipping back into defensive, zoning structures when the opposition get a run on, and that just exacerbates the problems that we have as a side. As far as im concerned, any man who kicks to a contest on the wing from defensive 50 should be taken out back and shot. Play. Through. The. Middle. I dont give a flying sh*t if our lack of skills means we get cut up on the turnover - thats already happening with our slow, transitory style of play anyway - the coaching staff need to instil in the playing group the requirement to run the ball and to check your man. The zone defence needs to die, and if that means we have to cop a few beltings to hammer the message home then so be it. I would rather lose to the Pies by 50+ while playing fast, exciting football than lose by 20 playing obsolete shyteball.
 
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I couldn’t drop all of you, but I did drop a lot of you.

Out: Jones (inj), West (susp/dropped), Rotham, Hough
In: Rioli, Shuey, Barrass, Duggan

Backs: Hedwards, Barrass, Gov, Hurn, Witherden, Duggan, Foley
Mids: Shuey, Redden, SPS, Gaff, Naish, Nelson
Rucks: NicNat, Dixon
Forwards: Kennedy, Darling, Ryan, Rioli, Petch, Langdon, Ledwards
Sub: Hough
Emergencies: Rotham (traveling), Waterman, Williams

Would have liked to make a few more changes but some guys survive because (a) there’s not much left to come in and (b) making double figure changes every week isn’t helping the connectivity between teammates out there.

I’m assuming Jones is out since he was subbed off and it’s a short turnaround. West will probably end up getting suspended for that tackle on Tucker, even if he doesn’t he’d be close to the first out for Shuey.

Dixon in the ruck and around the ground was one of the few positives, not sure he can back it up against Grundy but let’s let him try.

Not convinced Gaff is right.
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"Not convinced Gaff is right."... although Gaff was playing a different role last night... he is an absolute impetus killer... the number of possessions he gets, especially kicks, that take away the flow when he delays, kicks defensively backwards or sideways, allowing opposition time to man up or block up holes must be so frustrating for his teammates. 26 possessions and 163m is an indication.
 

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wooshwhisperer said:
"Not convinced Gaff is right."... although Gaff was playing a different role last night... he is an absolute impetus killer... the number of possessions he gets, especially kicks, that take away the flow when he delays, kicks defensively backwards or sideways, allowing opposition time to man up or block up holes must be so frustrating for his teammates. 26 possessions and 163m is an indication.
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My comment was on the way he was moving after missing the last game with a foot injury. He’s never been the most fluid looking athlete, but he was struggling to get from contest to contest and at times he even looked he was struggling to put one foot in front of the other.

If we had a couple of other guys available he probably wouldn’t have played.
 

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I know it was against a weaker midfield in the 4th qtr, but I'd like us to try Petch in the guts at the start of the game this week.
See how he goes in there against a good midfield, lets face it we won't win so may as well try it.
If he has had as good a pre-season that the club says, he should be able to run out a game in the middle rotating forward.

B: Hurn Barrass Nelson
HB: Duggan Gov Foley
C: Gaff SPS Naish
HF: Ryan Darling Waterman
F: Rioli Kennedy Langdon
R: Nicnat Shuey Petch
I: Williams, Redden, Hough, West

Hopefully Kelly is back, if he is Langdon out, Ryan to a pocket and Shuey to half forward.
 
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Sorry but I just can't see Petch taking our squad forward. Has zero defensive game. From the second he came into our system that deficiency should have been priority number 1 to be resolved but it hasn't (and wont be), which is a shame. Dont get me wrong. You can have completely attacking small forwards but they need to be so dangerous that the opposition assigned to him "sacrifices" their game to keep tabs. Lecras was that.
 
ziad said:
I think peach gets a game because he is quicker than Xon. He has been given all the time in the world to develop but just doesnt seem to be a footballer.
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Speaking of quick, Langdon is incredibly slow and not all that far behind are Witherden and Foley. You can only play one of these in the side at any one time. They all have a go but Langdon and Witherden seem to be always chasing and Foley just seems to get lost in between. I’m sure some of that is the run from opposition backs and mids with little pressure from our forwards and mids but still. Gaff just wandered around on his own all day
 
I don’t know, to me Petrucelle is improving slowly and I hope they plonk him in the middle for an extended run. He’s standing up / breaking tackles and not shitting himself in contests when the ball hits the deck. His height and speed make him worth persevering with. If it all clicks he’ll be a real weapon.
 
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