Preview Changes vs Essendon

[Macca_1870]

In- Clurey, O'Shea, Cassisi, Shaw
Out- Trengove, Carlisle, S.Gray, Mitchell

 

[b0ydman]

Detest? Cowardice? Moronicism? These are disgraceful terms. Do you call yourself a supporter or are you just a fool?
Mitchell is not our best player, but he tried hard and is coming along reasonably well for a guy with less than 20 games. Direct your anger at the experienced players who let us down badly today - Hartlett, Wingard, Ebert etc.

Lmao

"Tried his ass off"

Welcome to 2011.

Oh I agree it wasn't his fault. I agree hartlett and westhoff have been carried for too long, and others went missing. Lonie got shit like no other player ever to play for port. And Mitchell took the weak option, then turned his back on the kick in vs Sydney, which DID cost us.

Today he had fresh legs vs bigger opponents in a foot race in the wet, and couldn't beat the crow spuds. Tell me what another 40 games will show that we cant see, and all saw 3 weeks ago. But kens got some trick he's now stubborn on, and it IS costing us.

20 games exactly. I'm haunted by the game time we gave oshea and Jacobs while young and Newton and Moore weren't/ aren't getting game time ahead of Mitchell and gray now, like Hitchcock and other plodders then.

Here were are not even knowing what to do with oshea. Sure not kens fault but newton Moore and young are in the same way

If we let what happened today (and before the game with horrendous selection) we won't finish top 4 and can kiss a flag goodbye.

We had Mitchell, gray and impey was a massive eff up. Massive. Gray has not earned the right to keep playing after he got a feel for it, and Mitchell lost his right when he was too scared to do what is a non negotiable for a player in any sports team.

Sure, others did worse, but he had fresh legs, and still couldn't beat the other players. One dimensional. Like Phillips a few years ago. Stick in magoos for a year see if he can show something with the ball at afl level when he gets an injury gig next season, otherwise. Trade/ delist

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

Out: All of the spuds from today.
In: Hitchcock, Pettigrew, Lonie, Thompson, Phillips.

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[b0ydman]

Being 'smart' has placed us second so far and meant we've only dropped 3 games. He has done this game plan time and time again because its been working. This is his second year coaching for shits sake - I want a premiership but throwing insults at Hinkley is ******* ludicrous.

There was some mistakes made when it came to doing the match ups and unfortunately we came out with a loss. Hinkley so far has proven that he's more than capable of learning from his mistakes, some were made this game

We were top

You win flags from top.

You go backwards when you rest on your laurels and let other clubs adapt to you

 

[ploppy]

if trengove is out i would bring in butcher for a direct replacement in defence and pinch hit ruck. perfect time to give him a go down back.

 

[manureid]

Butcher down back. Needs to change his name to Salter.

 

[n4nirvana]

Selections should be

1)
3 KPF minimum

We don't take advantage of our high inside 50 counts. We can do better with a better structure.

I think if Mason Shaw really has an engine that was suggested in the other thread - get him in.

Let's see what's he got.

2)
We were absolutely smashed in the contested ball

We had 3 inside mids working tonite in Gray, Boak and Wines.
Brabert had a shocker.
Hammer/Wingard wherefore art thou.
Everyone else was not capable (Mitchell too small, Kornes busy tagging, Polec still developing inside game and being tagged)

Young has to be an In.

Its great that Sam Gray has had a shot at AFL level and Mitchell can run

But I bet you - that this type of football (contestd/things not going your way for breakaway football/our game plan being stifled) will be continued to be applied to us for the remainder of the season.

And the only thing that you can fall back on - is contested ball.

There's only so much Kern can do really - he can wave his arms in the air and tell the guys to get the contested ball but some of them aren't that great at it.

In the end it was left to too few.

We need to structure a side for finals football

Red vest considerations for Polec (to be fresh to shake tag in second half), Hammer (form)

 

[Ant Bear]

Lmao

"Tried his ass off"

Welcome to 2011.

Oh I agree it wasn't his fault. I agree hartlett and westhoff have been carried for too long, and others went missing. Lonie got shit like no other player ever to play for port. And Mitchell took the weak option, then turned his back on the kick in vs Sydney, which DID cost us.

Today he had fresh legs vs bigger opponents in a foot race in the wet, and couldn't beat the crow spuds. Tell me what another 40 games will show that we cant see, and all saw 3 weeks ago. But kens got some trick he's now stubborn on, and it IS costing us.

20 games exactly. I'm haunted by the game time we gave oshea and Jacobs while young and Newton and Moore weren't/ aren't getting game time ahead of Mitchell and gray now, like Hitchcock and other plodders then.

Here were are not even knowing what to do with oshea. Sure not kens fault but newton Moore and young are in the same way

If we let what happened today (and before the game with horrendous selection) we won't finish top 4 and can kiss a flag goodbye.

We had Mitchell, gray and impey was a massive eff up. Massive. Gray has not earned the right to keep playing after he got a feel for it, and Mitchell lost his right when he was too scared to do what is a non negotiable for a player in any sports team.

Sure, others did worse, but he had fresh legs, and still couldn't beat the other players. One dimensional. Like Phillips a few years ago. Stick in magoos for a year see if he can show something with the ball at afl level when he gets an injury gig next season, otherwise. Trade/ delist

LMAO all you want, but DO NOT compare Mitchell to Lonie. Mitchell has flaws; his disposal is below par and he may not make it as an AFL footballer, but apart from a poor decision against Sydney 3 weeks ago (who hasn't made a poor decision occasionally?) he does not shirk contests. On his performance today, he does not deserve to be dropped for next week.

If you plan to hold a bad mistake against a player as a black mark on his record for eternity, then there is not a single player who you support. I ask again - do you call yourself a supporter or a critic?

Gray I'm also not convinced on. I'm not sure what he offers that Neade or Young doesn't, but I'll back the current coaching team until they lose my faith. One loss won't shake that faith.

Potting Impey is ridiculous. He was targeted as a recruit to fill a specific need that we lacked, has been played in that role and mostly done alright. Betts' goals today were not the result of Impey errors, and he wasn't even on the ground for the first Betts goal

I, too, would like to see more of Newton, Young, Moore, Neade, Clurey etc, but the selection panel decided early on this year on our best 22, and I prefer to let them settle into team patterns and learn to play with each other intimately eek than to make change for the sake of change.

 

[philthy05]

if we dont play another tall forward dons will play hooker or someone else in a hole and they will double team shultz or gobble up all our forward 50 entries.

shaw as the in form guy probably my first name but could go with butcher if not. his still presenting and working to the ball his kicking is just shit, but to be honest im less worried about his shit kicking costing us then i am worried about our forward 50 entries and allowing westhoff to float around can cut off attacks in our f50.

 

[Power_boy89]

Mason Shaw please

 

[ozph1870]

out.... everyone
in...... everyone else.

 

[Ant Bear]

OUT: Baby, bathwater
IN: Trust, calm

 

[Dalfino]

With Injuries: Out - Carlile, Trengrove, S. Gray, Mitchell
In - Clurey/O'Shea, Young, Cassisi, Logan
We could play talls forwards, but honestly I think our defence needs a wake up call from last week. If Bobby and Trengrove are injured, its gg no re next week, but I still think we can really batter Essendon around the midfield grunt with the likes of Young, Cassisi and Logan. Westhoff may have to take a job in defence and then me might have to play Butcher, debut Harvey (although I disagree with that) or buy another tall forward.

Without Injuries: Out - S. Gray, Mitchell
In - Young, Cassisi
Top two players who should've never been taken out of the lineup, that is all.

In all honesty, our whole team play poorly, and it is only natural that football teams drop a game every once in a while: Geelong lost by over 100 to Sydney, Crows losing to Melbourne: all teams go through tough and unexpected losses like this but that is what drives them for success.

We don't need to completely reshape our lineup, but once Redden is back in he can swap between forward and ruck with Lobbe and we may have a winning mix. Would like to see a new ruckman, tall forward or defender picked up during the trade period just so Carlile and Trengrove can take a load off. Thye have done so much for this club and are our 2 best players this year hands down.

 

[port09]

In- Clurey, O'Shea, Logan, Shaw
Out- Trengove, Carlisle, S.Gray, Mitchell

 

[Chrizzt]

I really just don't see Samny Gray working. Given the goal kicking threat of Gray, wingard, and Monfries, I reckon Neades relentless pressure would be far more useful up forward.

 

[PepeSilvia]

With Injuries: Out - Carlile, Trengrove, S. Gray, Mitchell
In - Clurey/O'Shea, Young, Cassisi, Logan
We could play talls forwards, but honestly I think our defence needs a wake up call from last week. If Bobby and Trengrove are injured, its gg no re next week, but I still think we can really batter Essendon around the midfield grunt with the likes of Young, Cassisi and Logan. Westhoff may have to take a job in defence and then me might have to play Butcher, debut Harvey (although I disagree with that) or buy another tall forward.

Without Injuries: Out - S. Gray, Mitchell
In - Young, Cassisi
Top two players who should've never been taken out of the lineup, that is all.

In all honesty, our whole team play poorly, and it is only natural that football teams drop a game every once in a while: Geelong lost by over 100 to Sydney, Crows losing to Melbourne: all teams go through tough and unexpected losses like this but that is what drives them for success.

We don't need to completely reshape our lineup, but once Redden is back in he can swap between forward and ruck with Lobbe and we may have a winning mix. Would like to see a new ruckman, tall forward or defender picked up during the trade period just so Carlile and Trengrove can take a load off. Thye have done so much for this club and are our 2 best players this year hands down.

Mason Shaw exists, right?

Cassisi got injured, knee soreness IIRC.

Nope.

 

[Kingfish73]

Out: Trengove, Mitchell, Gray
In: Clurey, Young, Cassisi

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Out: Trengove, Mitchell, Gray
In: Clurey, Young, Cassisi

Carlisle is an out with a hamstring.

O'Shea comes in.

 

[*PAF]

Mark my word Carlisle will play ...







but unfortunately Carlile won't be standing on him.

 

[*PAF]

I agree with most regarding 2 talls out and 3 in.

We must have 2 tall defenders and a tall forwars to cover Westhoff as he will need to ruck. Westhoff cannot be on the ground 100% gametime if he is going to ruck as well.

Big difference to most is that I would go Butcher before Shaw.

Might sound silly/weird/early morning drunk talk or whatever saying this, but we need someone that will allow our existing goalscorers to actually score more goals, more than we need another player that may or may not score a goal or two himself.

 

[*PAF]

Oh and a tall forward is a must because Westy is the only really tall player we have that can go back if we need to match Carlisle and Bellchambers height wise.

And the fact resting Lobbe up front is a work in progress and still a couple of years away from working properly.

 

[tribey]

I agree with most regarding 2 talls out and 3 in.

We must have 2 tall defenders and a tall forwars to cover Westhoff as he will need to ruck. Westhoff cannot be on the ground 100% gametime if he is going to ruck as well.

Big difference to most is that I would go Butcher before Shaw.

Might sound silly/weird/early morning drunk talk or whatever saying this, but we need someone that will allow our existing goalscorers to actually score more goals, more than we need another player that may or may not score a goal or two himself.

I didn't see any of the game at Unley, but Shaw's numbers utterly eclipsed Butcher's for roughly the third or fourth straight game.

Given he's not a stick insect I reckon he deserves the shot if we're that way inclined and I'm still not convinced we are, unfortunately.

 

[*PAF]

I didn't see any of the game at Unley, but Shaw's numbers utterly eclipsed Butcher's for roughly the third or fourth straight game.

Given he's not a stick insect I reckon he deserves the shot if we're that way inclined and I'm still not convinced we are, unfortunately.

I haven't seen any SANFL games but Ken did say in an interview that Butch was ahead wrt being AFL ready and even in the reports on here, Butcher has played well but kicked somewhere between so so and shit, whereas Shaw has played so so but has a good kick.

IMO we have plenty of goalscorers in our A grade but could do with someone that brings others into the game hence I think Butch ahead of Shaw.
What we really need is Harvey as he has the body to ruck but that will have to wait.

 

[scottjr]

Shaw has had 4 games back first one fair second outstanding third Ok and the fourth pretty good. I think Ken is still going to want a couple of more outstanding games to bring him in. We know Clurey can play. How far off is Stewart?

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

If shaw does play it will be the first time that our 2012 draftees (Wines, Shaw, Clurey) all play together... First of many times hopefully