Changes vs Geelong

[R_n_B]

Geez, it's a bit early for this! I don't know how you people can make such predictions before we know the extent of injuries and suspensions etc. every week
But, it is fun to speculate and see what other think should be changed.

The only definite out I think will be NLM through suspension.
McPhee should be right to play, as he did come back on the field and looked alright.
Dempsey not sure about as he was on crutches after the game.
AFL website reckons both McPhee and Dempsey should be right next week.
Lonergan also limped off at the end of the game, but looked fine in the change rooms.

 

[Andrew_5]

In: Hurley
Out: Jetta

I'll only make the one change, The rest of the guy's coming in for Bendigo will need a few more weeks to get there body and fitness right.

I'd like to see Houli play in Jetta's posi and Hurley can replace Houli in the back pocket.
our inside 50's haven't been that great at times, so i would like Houli to play hf flank and pinpoint passes to Lloyd and Neagle..
For us to win we have to play 4 quarters of football and our defence i think is the key, we need to rattle their forward line for us to have any chance of winning..

Edit: Forgot about NLM.. If he gets rubbed out then replace Jetta with him..

 

[Sigmund]

Firstly hopefully Dempsey's ankle comes up ok.

I reckon Lucas will be recalled against Geelong. Neagle has been OK, but we need Lucas' experience if we are to stretch their backline.

I reckon Dyson's spot could be under review after a pretty poor performance, McVeigh would have to be a certainty if he gets through the Bendigo game.

Geelong do not have the tallest forward line and I think Hurley would be a pretty good match up on Mooney. Not sure if people agree, but I reckon Hooker might make way for Hurley. If NLM gets reported he will go out for Hurley.

Out: Neagle, Dyson, Hooker

In: Lucas, McVeigh, Hurley

Thank god you are not on our selection committee

 

[LukeParkerno1]

In: Myers
Outs: Jetta (what the heck did he add!)

Hurley, Prismal, McVeigh, etc would come under consideration with the proviso they get through the VFL game

 

[Shane Hird]

A game against Geelong is not the right time to bring back Scotty.

No way in hell should they even contemplate playing him...no way.

 

[Andrew_5]

A game against Geelong is not the right time to bring back Scotty.

No way in hell should they even contemplate playing him...no way.

I agree, but I'd like to hear your thought on Why??
Say he kicks 10 today, would you bring him in??

 

[Mad Bomber Sean]

Dempsey, Mcphee & NLM are maybe's for the Cats game due to injuries & suspensions.
Neagle, Longergan and Jetta could also be ommitted due to questionable effort/form.

Replacements are form/match fitness ( & match ups against Cats) depended at Bendigo.

Mcveigh, Hurley & Lucas Skippy are most likely, although Myers & Prismal, Reimers might also get a look in.

To early to make a call on this.

 

[dave_27]

Why on earth would you drop Neagle after 1 quiet game? He probably worked harder last night than anyother game he has played for once.

He loves the Dome mind you aswell, he MUST play next week.

 

[BomberAce7]

Ins - Hurley, McVeigh.
Outs - Lovett-Murray (Susp), Dempsey (Inj)

Could just be the 1 change if Courtney gets up. Also on Neagle, he was playing alot up the ground last night which is not his position. Jay plays best in the forward 50 leading & marking. Personally i would leave Jay at full forward with Lloyd at CHF with Lloyd dropping back into the 50. Jay is not a CHF.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

In: Myers
Outs: Jetta (what the heck did he add!)

Funny, you could ask that question about most of Myers' games this year.

 

[james_omahoney]

Neagle, Longergan and Jetta could also be ommitted due to questionable effort/form.

Couldn't disagree more on Neagle. The kid's played 12 games and snagged 17. That's a better output than the first 12 games from players like Franklin, Roughead, Lloyd and Fevola. He kicked 3 against the Saints in the first half which kept us in the game. Last night he was very quiet but watching the game his endeavour was actually pretty good. Should definitely persist. He's doing reasonably well and let's be honest, if he's going to be playing with this group of players for the long term then he needs to be out there on the park with them and getting experience.

 

[AndyLesPaul]

Couldn't disagree more on Neagle. The kid's played 12 games and snagged 17. That's a better output than the first 12 games from players like Franklin, Roughead, Lloyd and Fevola. He kicked 3 against the Saints in the first half which kept us in the game. Last night he was very quiet but watching the game his endeavour was actually pretty good. Should definitely persist. He's doing reasonably well and let's be honest, if he's going to be playing with this group of players for the long term then he needs to be out there on the park with them and getting experience.

To be honest, thats not a very good comparison, because this is Neagles 3rd season, and i'm pretty sure Franklin Roughead Lloyd and Fevola all played their first 12 games in the first season.

EDIT:
Further research, Lloyd 2 seasons 16 games 25 goals
Roughhead first season 16 games, 6 goals
Franklin first season 20 games, 21 goals
Fevola 2 seasons 16 games, 26 goals
Neagle 4 seasons (didnt play in 2006) 12 games, 17 goals

 

[GoDons]

Jetta hasn't spent two weeks in the same side over the last month, we need to give him some continuity.

Knights has preached young guys coming into the side and staying in the side over a few weeks, Having played well at VFL level, Leroy's owed that opportunity.

 

[lemon chicken]

I think a few people might be under rating Lonergans second half. Was one of the keys to getting us back in the game.

 

[Kong]

To be honest, thats not a very good comparison, because this is Neagles 3rd season, and i'm pretty sure Franklin Roughead Lloyd and Fevola all played their first 12 games in the first season.

EDIT:
Further research, Lloyd 2 seasons 16 games 25 goals
Roughhead first season 16 games, 6 goals
Franklin first season 20 games, 21 goals
Fevola 2 seasons 16 games, 26 goals
Neagle 4 seasons (didnt play in 2006) 12 games, 17 goals

While I agree that's it's difficult to compare those players over different ages, I agree with j_om. Neagle, even last night, has shown more and straightened us up structurally, more than Lucas did in any of the games he was handed. Neagle is the heir apparent at Full Forward, so unless he has three of four shockers in a row, persist.

 

[Godzke]

I was sitting there thinking to myself "if neagle gives any less of a sh*t playing out there and lucas gives a half decent game in the VFL then there's a straight swap for the selection committee" unless they choose to have both playing. Wouldn't surprise me given the lack of targets we had last night.

knights has to be more aware and react quicker by playing lloyd out of the goalsquare rather than persisting having him play up the ground in situations like that.

Jetta trade him at the end of the year does not fit our team set up.

a good point...

Davey stepped up his position was under fire over the last month

and a not so good point.

i don't see how his position was under fire considering he's leading our tackles count. he could be definitely offerring more, but he's already giving enough to be a part of the team. we can't expect he's going to do magic every time he gets the ball.

on jetta, it's a tough call to make, but at the end of the season the coach has to analyse which players are in abundance to what's required (even if they are still very good) and use them as trade bait.

prismall is a good example, even though he was adding salary cap pressure to the cats, which is not a problem at essendon as far as i know, he was still seen as surplus to requirements given the abundance of midfield talent at geelong.

Out: NLM (susp.), McPhee (inj.), Jetta (omit)
In: Lucas, Hurley, Prismall

Lonergan can consider himself a bit lucky.

Hooker to play the role McPhee has been playing.

Is McPhee injured?
and how bad?

Also, Lucas Neagle and Lloyd in the forward line?

i agree with ben here as far as selections go. NLM should stay, if not suspended, mcphee needs a week off with that ankle (he's going to be feeling sore for a while, i can just tell) and jetta should be dropped (not based on the fact that one avg performance deserves an omission but because we've got senior players coming back -- conditional to how those players actually play in the VFL this week of course).

the forward line was non existent for the best of last night. lloyd playing up the ground again meant neagle (with his pathetic work ethic) offerred little. He needs a royal kick up the arse. his contested marking is brilliant and he's a great kick at goal, but he needs to work on his leads. Kelvin moore was laughing at how easy it was to contain him by playing 5m in front of him. you could just tell neagle had no clue where to lead and when.

i know that's inexperience and will improve with time, but the work ethic to make leads rather than sitting in the goal square needs to improve right now!

Jetta hasn't spent two weeks in the same side over the last month, we need to give him some continuity.

Knights has preached young guys coming into the side and staying in the side over a few weeks, Having played well at VFL level, Leroy's owed that opportunity.

this is a fair point to make, but given the fact that selection at essendon is cut throat, based on how many guys are trying to come into the side, then you have to quickly adjust.

not easy but that's what is required of him

 

[james_omahoney]

To be honest, thats not a very good comparison, because this is Neagles 3rd season, and i'm pretty sure Franklin Roughead Lloyd and Fevola all played their first 12 games in the first season.

EDIT:
Further research, Lloyd 2 seasons 16 games 25 goals
Roughhead first season 16 games, 6 goals
Franklin first season 20 games, 21 goals
Fevola 2 seasons 16 games, 26 goals
Neagle 4 seasons (didnt play in 2006) 12 games, 17 goals

It's not a perfect comparison but it goes a long way to making a point. To suggest he may be in danger of being dropped is ridiculous - he's done fairly well and the stats are somewhat of an indicator (I realise that it wasn't you who made the suggestion).

 

[lemon chicken]

Jetta trade him at the end of the year does not fit our team set up.

Davey stepped up his position was under fire over the last month

You wanted him dropped for this week. So we trade a 20yo and davey gets a serious injury again we play who as a small forward?

 

[AndyLesPaul]

While I agree that's it's difficult to compare those players over different ages, I agree with j_om. Neagle, even last night, has shown more and straightened us up structurally, more than Lucas did in any of the games he was handed. Neagle is the heir apparent at Full Forward, so unless he has three of four shockers in a row, persist.

It's not a perfect comparison but it goes a long way to making a point. To suggest he may be in danger of being dropped is ridiculous - he's done fairly well and the stats are somewhat of an indicator (I realise that it wasn't you who made the suggestion).

Hmm yeah, Simplying suggesting that if Lucas has a great game at Bendigo, Neagle will be in the gun. Watching Neagle last night, he did relatively better than the 4 marks and 4 disposals he did get, but i noticed him just not being fast enough on the lead to get past the person on him.

 

[james_omahoney]

Hmm yeah, Simplying suggesting that if Lucas has a great game at Bendigo, Neagle will be in the gun. Watching Neagle last night, he did relatively better than the 4 marks and 4 disposals he did get, but i noticed him just not being fast enough on the lead to get past the person on him.

I think Knights is a bit over Lucas to be honest. I wouldn't say Neagle would be under the gun this week if Lucas kicks a bag today. If Lucas keeps kicking bags and Neagle has a few more quiet games then yeah, there'd be more pressure on him. As of now/this week, I don't think that spot is in danger.

Also remember that he was drafted as an underage prospect - counting 06 is pretty harsh, considering he had huge injury setbacks with his ankles that ran into 2007. It'd be like counting 2009 as Michael Still's first year (being eligible for TAC Cup this year).

So 1 game in 07 after he came back from injury and 17 goals over 08/09 is a reasonable effort.

 

[AndyLesPaul]

I think Knights is a bit over Lucas to be honest. I wouldn't say Neagle would be under the gun this week if Lucas kicks a bag today. If Lucas keeps kicking bags and Neagle has a few more quiet games then yeah, there'd be more pressure on him. As of now/this week, I don't think that spot is in danger.

Hmm yeah, I just really want to see Lucas play in the 1's and not be forced to retire like all the other former Essendon guns. And Also, Knights still had hope in Lucas before he was dropped, and wants him to improve, so if Lucas does improve, surely he's due for a match in the 1's

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

If McVeigh gets through ok then in for NLM being suspended.

The rest should be touch and go. Do we bring in Skippy for Jetta? No for me, give Jetta more of a run.

Hurley in for ? Pears and Hooker have cemented their spots and he might have to bide his time.

Fletcher ? Will he be ready? If yes then in he comes.

I'd keep Neagle over Lucas and just keep on playing the kid.

Very hard at the moment to select a side.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

We do need to think about the opposition as well as our own team when choosing our ins and outs.

Geelong's backline works best when Mackie is freed up and Harley can zone off his man.

Therefore, playing Lloyd, Lucas and Neagle means that Scarlett, Taylor and Mackie/Harley need to play tall, given Milburn is injured. That could help us a lot.

Mooney and Hawkins will play this week, and with McPhee a good chance to be out, we need a third tall defender. Therefore, Hurley is probably a good chance to come in.

Myers and T Slattery need to be considered a chance, because S Johnson, Varcoe, Stokes and Ablett will all play forward next week, with at least two of those being permanent forwards. H Slattery, Houli and Dempsey will take three of them, but Dempsey is also a chance for a forward tag by Max Rooke.

 

[AndyLesPaul]

Fletcher ? Will he be ready? If yes then in he comes.

I dont think he'll be ready for a while

We do need to think about the opposition as well as our own team when choosing our ins and outs.

Geelong's backline works best when Mackie is freed up and Harley can zone off his man.

Therefore, playing Lloyd, Lucas and Neagle means that Scarlett, Taylor and Mackie/Harley need to play tall, given Milburn is injured. That could help us a lot.

Mooney and Hawkins will play this week, and with McPhee a good chance to be out, we need a third tall defender. Therefore, Hurley is probably a good chance to come in.

Myers and T Slattery need to be considered a chance, because S Johnson, Varcoe, Stokes and Ablett will all play forward next week, with at least two of those being permanent forwards. H Slattery, Houli and Dempsey will take three of them, but Dempsey is also a chance for a forward tag by Max Rooke.

Oh okay, was just wondering why, don't know too much about Geelong

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

We do need to think about the opposition as well as our own team when choosing our ins and outs.

Geelong's backline works best when Mackie is freed up and Harley can zone off his man.

Therefore, playing Lloyd, Lucas and Neagle means that Scarlett, Taylor and Mackie/Harley need to play tall, given Milburn is injured. That could help us a lot.

Mooney and Hawkins will play this week, and with McPhee a good chance to be out, we need a third tall defender. Therefore, Hurley is probably a good chance to come in.

Myers and T Slattery need to be considered a chance, because S Johnson, Varcoe, Stokes and Ablett will all play forward next week, with at least two of those being permanent forwards. H Slattery, Houli and Dempsey will take three of them, but Dempsey is also a chance for a forward tag by Max Rooke.

I reckon we'd get murdered if we play Lucas, Neagle and Lloyd n the same side against the Cats.

They will be winning most of the ball and we'll be chasing a fair bit. If we have 2 or 3 big guys that can't put pressure on then they'll run it out with ease.

We must have pace and tackling pressure so they don't run it out with handball.