Unofficial Preview Changes vs Melbourne

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Any news on Preus this week will he play for Melb. or Casey.

 

[conVINCEd]

I can't see Matt Crouch or Lynch being fit for this weekend.

A hamstring, no matter how minor, requires more than 8 days rest. And M Crouch looked incredible uncomfortable at training just a week ago.

 

[CrowinNT]

I can still remember when a few poeple were calling for more open and Honest conversations from the players, But I guess we are not ready for that yet.

I don’t recall many discussions about honest conversations should come from players.
I vividly recall we wanted honest communication on the front foot about our injuries last year and what the hell was going on at the club with CM and the camp

 

[JPetro83]

You’re probably the worst Crows supporter I’ve ever come across

good lol

 

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I don’t recall many discussions about honest conversations should come from players.
I vividly recall we wanted honest communication on the front foot about our injuries last year and what the hell was going on at the club with CM and the camp

So the Player towing the company line, reading from the same page, Last year when B Crouch mentions his groin issue there were a few comments around more players should be talking freely,

Question remains are we ready for a player to be honest and talk about what he was and is thinking, even if we believe he is incorrect,

 

[footy4ever]

Doubtful. I think he twisted his ankle last week in the VFL. Would prefer if he plays. Hope Fog does as well.

He twisted an ankle?




Shame.

 

[Elite Crow]

was it?

Yes it was, against Port. Kicked 2 goals. Good to see you are making informed judgements.

 

[marty36]

Yes it was, against Port. Kicked 2 goals. Good to see you are making informed judgements.

Lets be honest it was his first game of the year playing forward

It doesn't look like he did anything special with 11 possies

 

[CrowinNT]

So the Player towing the company line, reading from the same page, Last year when B Crouch mentions his groin issue there were a few comments around more players should be talking freely,

I don’t really recall the exact comments on here at the time. Again it could well have related to what I said earlier that the club were not being informative with injuries. We all recall the birth of hamstring awareness

Brad had a right to speak about his body. He lost an entire season with injury
This is a completely different scenario to others negatively whinging in the media pitching “self “
I believe you do have to toe the company line in the public arena. Be positive. Support your team mates.
Like Eddie Betts has done with Tex’s role on the weekend

 

[Golumless]

No one will ever know if Jenkins would have been the difference. Who knows? He may have kicked 5 and we won by 3 goals or he may have done the same effort as Himmelberg and Walker. What i do know is that we should have won last week regardless and would have definitely won if Lynch played. My only concern is if we trade Jenkins and Walker continues his decline where he cannot be played next year we are left with Fogarty and Himmelberg. 2 pretty inexperienced key forwards. Maybe once they are backed in they could kick 80 goals a season between them. We really need to see them this year in tandem before they make a call on Jenkins. What i don't like about Jenkins is that he has 3 more years on the deal at likely 600k. Could he return to his form of last year? Is he cooked? Will he perform better at another club? Is the club already talking to a young forward to bring in end of the year? If we could get Luko end of this year or next I would trade Jenkins this year. This is the year to move him to extract best value. Freeing up his 600k could also be the difference in getting grundy end of next year. What i do know is that our priorities are: 1. A classy mid with speed 2. Another key back who can kick. 3. A gun ruck or an upgrade on what we have. 4. A key forward, especially if they trade Jenkins.

You would not be certain, however, Jenkins making a difference in that game would be out of character. He doesn't have the tools to do so considering our ball movement being terrible and Jenkins struggles when the game isn't on his term unless he's hot form wise (whereas, arguably Himmelberg does once he clicks as a footballer seeing he is a solid contested mark). I wouldn't be so sure on Lynch being the difference either, outside of just being another target (in which you could argue Fogarty as well would have made a difference), our ball movement has been equally as puss with him in the lineup, though he would have given more production then Walker/Himmelberg.

I disagree, it's time to make the call on Jenkins. That's a lot of cap space, and we're indicating that Himmelberg is not far off being the preferred option (he might already be). Time to open the spot up for him, and let him develop there as there is more then enough there to be a quality KPF/ruck. It'll be a slow burn though.

We shouldn't be considering any tall forwards whatsoever in a trade, we've already over invested there and any more would just add extra risk to our current crop (and guarantee someone would fail). Should Tex continue his decline, the way through is move Lynch to a CHF (and really, Lynch has been a psuedo CHF for the last few years with his link play), and let Fogarty take a third defender. You'd be forced to develop that key forward combination, but both pieces have a long term future, and arguably our current forward line is done. Short term pain, long term gain however, that's the situation we're currently in.

I would also agree that another classy midfielder with speed would be our primary need this draft. Jones, Milera, and to a lesser extent Gallucci (seeing unfortunately, I reckon he'll cop the HFF/Mid role that Douglas got wasted in as a player) will get there in time however any midfield core which is going to go deep needs to bat deep with this type of player. Butts is a good shot to develop into a key back who should be a reliable kick, however, I'd begin to look for a Talia replacement around now in the rookie draft as a solid, dour defender to take the main key forwards is something we'd want to build the next generation around (as this type allows your more intercept/creative defenders to be more damaging). Definitely a big gap in our line up currently. I wouldn't bother at all with rucks, O'Brien is more then good enough, and i'd rather cheap out cap space here as elite rucks just aren't vital to success, and KPFs are not a need, we already have too much of a logjam there (Fogarty being played as a defender is indicative of this).

Couple of other points - I'd look at upgrading CEY this offseason with someone younger. I don't see his form holding up next year at all, more a regression back to the norm (someone like Sier/Hartley/Cheap big bodied midfielder who is both young and struggling to get games). I also wouldn't be opposed to getting an outside midfielder in. Atkins is in no mans land and fast approaching it's time to trade territory, Mackay will finally be done as a player, and we don't want Milera to be a permanent outside mid.

 

[SloaneysDanger]

I can't see Matt Crouch or Lynch being fit for this weekend.

A hamstring, no matter how minor, requires more than 8 days rest. And M Crouch looked incredible uncomfortable at training just a week ago.

I don't understand how Crouch can't be fit for this week. The first week he got injured they named him in the team the following week then he failed a fitness test the next day, that was almost two weeks ago now. They just keep delaying it and delaying it whilst not giving a proper prognosis.

 

[CrowinNT]

I don't understand how Crouch can't be fit for this week. The first week he got injured they named him in the team the following week then he failed a fitness test the next day, that was almost two weeks ago now. They just keep delaying it and delaying it whilst not giving a proper prognosis.

My understanding is that initially it was thought to be a impact injury but then discovered he has some tissue tears.

 

[SloaneysDanger]

My understanding is that initially it was thought to be a impact injury but then discovered he has some tissue tears.

I asked a professional Physio about his injury and they said it's usually a 1-3 week injury depending on the severity obviously. You'd think he is much closer to playing this week than he was last week.

 

[marty36]

I asked a professional Physio about his injury and they said it's usually a 1-3 week injury depending on the severity obviously. You'd think he is much closer to playing this week than he was last week.

If he is running and kicking you would think he is a fair chance

 

[SloaneysDanger]

If he is running and kicking you would think he is a fair chance

It's all about the change of direction, bending, marking, stuff like that with his injury.

 

[marty36]

It's all about the change of direction, bending, marking, stuff like that with his injury.

he has a test for that Thursday no doubt he is using it if he is being tested

 

[Bicks]

Doubt on Lever's return for Melbourne

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/jake-lever-closes-in-on-afl-return-20190529-p51s9t.html

Doubt over Jake Lever's ability to return to Melbourne's senior side has set in once again after he left the track early at Wednesday's main training session.
Lever was seen enjoying a coffee at the AAMI Park cafe 45 minutes before his teammates finished their main hitout ahead of Saturday night's clash with Adelaide in Darwin.
The Dees, languishing third from the bottom of the ladder, have had a woeful run of injuries, but this morning coach Simon Goodwin expressed hope Lever will return to face his former team this weekend.
The 23-year-old defender is on the comeback from an ACL injury and rolled his ankle in the VFL last weekend, his second game back from the knee reconstruction.

Coach Simon Goodwin had been buoyant on Lever's progress before the development. "If he gets through training today and he feels confident that he can play, if he doesn't feel confident with this ankle, purely his ankle, we'll give him another week and he'll be ready to go the week after," he said earlier on Wednesday.

 

[Murray2503]

I don't understand how Crouch can't be fit for this week. The first week he got injured they named him in the team the following week then he failed a fitness test the next day, that was almost two weeks ago now. They just keep delaying it and delaying it whilst not giving a proper prognosis.

It's worse than they are letting on I would gather. Generally add 4 weeks onto whatever they say. Hopefully not longer.

 

[GROTTO]

It's worse than they are letting on I would gather. Generally add 4 weeks onto whatever they say. Hopefully not longer.

Wasnt Mrouch named to play against the Lions as well? They would have known this is going to be a multi week injury at the time.

 

[CrowBloke]

Well he still gets his payday

True.

 

[Murray2503]

Wasnt Mrouch named to play against the Lions as well? They would have known this is going to be a multi week injury at the time.

They obviously badly need him in. Not sure why they play this game. Maybe they generally don't know how long it will be which is never a good thing.

 

[GROTTO]

They obviously badly need him in. Not sure why they play this game. Maybe they generally don't know how long it will be which is never a good thing.

I actually place more importance of beating Melbourne this weekend which imo is much more winnable then beating either GWS, Tigers or Cats.

I have us on 11wins for the season, with us needing to beat either Melbourne or the Dogs in Ballarat.

 

[marty36]

I actually place more importance of beating Melbourne this weekend which imo is much more winnable then beating either GWS, Tigers or Cats.

I have us on 11wins for the season, with us needing to beat either Melbourne or the Dogs in Ballarat.

I agree far greater chance this week than the next 3 against tigers gws pies

 

[Murray2503]

I actually place more importance of beating Melbourne this weekend which imo is much more winnable then beating either GWS, Tigers or Cats.

I have us on 11wins for the season, with us needing to beat either Melbourne or the Dogs in Ballarat.

Gws and Richmond are 50/50 games if we bring our A game. Geelong in Geelong will be a loss I would predict. Melbourne's season is over pretty much. If we can play at least 3 1/2 quarters we should win. Forward line needs to function better obviously.

 

[GROTTO]

Gws and Richmond are 50/50 games if we bring our A game. Geelong in Geelong will be a loss I would predict. Melbourne's season is over pretty much. If we can play at least 3 1/2 quarters we should win. Forward line needs to function better obviously.

The bookies have us as underdogs against GWS and 50:50 v Tigers. I think that will change and we will be underdogs v the Tigers as well.