Opinion Changes vs Melbourne

[TeeKray]

It says a lot about where we are at

No greyhound/horse shares 3 weeks SANFL

Only greyhound share below 25% 2 weeks SANFL

Greyhound share 26-50% 1 week SANFL

Horse share above 51% no SANFL

*all figures speculative and suggested by a hungover kampaigner

No greyhound shares but firearm licence is also a free pass to AFL selection.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Hayes was the best ruck in the SANFL last year. He's had his confidence progressively beaten down by our coaching panel all year and then told he's behind a dinosaur that has consistently let us down in big games and a beanpole that has been on the list for 5 minutes that wasn't good enough to get drafted last year.

Hayes is just not an AFL player, below average at best

 

[NickFlips]

On one hand, Gawn and Jackson could dominate us without a proper ruckman. On the other hand, Gawn and Jackson dominated us earlier in the year with a proper ruckman. Not sure how I feel on that.

Mead spent half the game sliding on his face across Adelaide Oval, so he might need to go. Burgoyne showed some glimpses, but if Bonner returns then I think like-for-like Riley gets his spot back.

Out: Mead, Burgoyne, McEntee (sub)
In: Duursma, Bonner

 

[raptalia]

On one hand, Gawn and Jackson could dominate us without a proper ruckman. On the other hand, Gawn and Jackson dominated us earlier in the year with a proper ruckman. Not sure how I feel on that.

...and we didn't kick a goal for almost three quarters. The point about the game earlier this year is Finlayson and Dixon did not play so when Lycett was injured we were forced to use Todd Marshall on Max Gawn for the second half and it was a match up made in hell as far as we were concerned. I think Charlie Dixon might offer more serious opposition. I also think our midfield is a lot sharper these days and our forward structure more productive so go with what we have.

Last week I was pumping for Lycett's inclusion but his form in the SANFL was not up to scratch so give him another week in the SANFL and stick with the combination that did the job against GWS.

FOOTNOTE: Since I posted the above I looked at the Club SANFL Report and someone at the Club had Lycett in the best players so who do you believe? If Lycett is anywhere near fit and someone in the Port Magpies thinks he went reasonably well there is every chance Ken will have him back in the AFL side.

 

[RossFC]

“Congratz on losing your ruck battle to Jarrad Redden

Jarrad Redden

Age

34

Ht

205cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

3.6

1star

HB

7.1

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

18.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.4

4star

K

4.0

2star

HB

8.4

5star

CL

3.2

5star

HO

17.8

5star

, How does facing Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

next week sound?”

 

[just_kick_it]

OUT: 2x talls
IN: Motlop, Neede to play marking forward
SUB: Lycett (if he was under 5ft tall he would be first on the team sheet)

 

[Del165198]

“Congratz on losing your ruck battle to Jarrad Redden, How does facing Max Gawn next week sound?”

Holy shit Jarrad redden is still playing SANFL?

Woodville-West Torrens - SANFL

100kg they must be taking the absolute piss, maybe when he was 19

 

[Coobk001]

Last time Lycett played Gawn, Gawn smashed him in the ruck contests and took marks at will against him around the ground.

If Lycett is going to lose the ruck and concede marks anyway, then what would recalling him even gain us. We'd be better off going with the agility of Dixon and Finlayson in there and around the ground who whilst they'd get beaten, would actually give us something else.

Undoubtedly Lycett should be tracking for a return, but I'm not sure if an underdone Lycett offers any value this week.

 

[davesnothere]

Holy s**t Jarrad redden is still playing SANFL?

Woodville-West Torrens - SANFL

100kg they must be taking the absolute piss, maybe when he was 19

Jarrad filled that one out himself.

Seriously if he could have got his weight down to 100 kg he would have played another 5 years with us[emoji4]

 

[Jason K]

On one hand, Gawn and Jackson could dominate us without a proper ruckman. On the other hand, Gawn and Jackson dominated us earlier in the year with a proper ruckman. Not sure how I feel on that.

Mead spent half the game sliding on his face across Adelaide Oval, so he might need to go. Burgoyne showed some glimpses, but if Bonner returns then I think like-for-like Riley gets his spot back.

Out: Mead, Burgoyne, McEntee (sub)
In: Duursma, Bonner

We didn't have a "proper ruckman" when we played Melb last. We had Lycett. As much as Ken wants him to succeed, he has shown he is not capable as an actual ruck. He can get a couple cheap posessions around the ground but that's the extent of his worth. Even at West Coast, with Nic Nat down, he was no.2 behind Vardy.

If we are not going to play one of our talented young rucks, keep Dixon as ruck. If we bring in Lycett to get murdered by Gawn, we would have to drop a fwd. My guess would be that Georgi would be the one. No way Port should be playing Lycett over Georgi.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Hayes is just not an AFL player, below average at best

He's seven games in.

 

[philthy05]

Hayes is just not an AFL player, below average at best

This is completely wrong and there’s ample evidence against your claim.

He was in the top handful for hitouts, hitout win % and hitouts to advantage in the afl despite only playing a few games and being the youngest ruck playing the position.

I’ve seen you make this claim several times now and I don’t understand how you can continue to take a position that is so obviously wrong. I’ve seen you offer no other argument other than “he’s shit, not good enough”

Arguing a ruck isn’t a afl quality ruck while he’s at the pointy end of the main ruck stats would be as dumb as arguing a key forward that’s in the running to win the Coleman isn’t an afl key forward.

I can’t tell if you’re a Hinkley bath water drinker or just have something against Hayes or rucks, cause there no logic in your position.

 

[Granny Duurs is Lovely]

This is completely wrong and there’s ample evidence against your claim.

He was in the top handful for hitouts, hitout win % and hitouts to advantage in the afl despite only playing a few games and being the youngest ruck playing the position.

I’ve seen you make this claim several times now and I don’t understand how you can continue to take a position that is so obviously wrong. I’ve seen you offer no other argument other than “he’s s**t, not good enough”

Arguing a ruck isn’t a afl quality ruck while he’s at the pointy end of the main ruck stats would be as dumb as arguing a key forward that’s in the running to win the Coleman isn’t an afl key forward.

I can’t tell if you’re a Hinkley bath water drinker or just have something against Hayes or rucks, cause there no logic in your position.

The problem with Hayes isn't his hitout stats it's everything else. It's like Robbie playing midfield these days - he can win a clearance but he's a defensive liability. Hayes is a liability around the ground atm. I don't subscribe to the view he'll never be any good (its an obvious problem and better fitness should go a long way to fix it) but right now he doesn't cut it.

 

[Jason K]

The problem with Hayes isn't his hitout stats it's everything else. It's like Robbie playing midfield these days - he can win a clearance but he's a defensive liability. Hayes is a liability around the ground atm. I don't subscribe to the view he'll never be any good (its an obvious problem and better fitness should go a long way to fix it) but right now he doesn't cut it.

I don't agree with this at all. Hayes just needs confidence at AFL level. He didn't win Maggies best and fairest just from taps. He is more than capable around the ground. You could tell by his movement when around the ball at AFL level that he didn't know if he was supposed to go at the ball or stay out of the way of the midfielders.

Also, his tapwork is being undersold. The way he was tapping to mids like Rozee and Butters with no need to break stride is worth so much more than a tackle or a lumbering link up kick on the wing that Lycett would offer.

I have been really wondering why they would want to demoralize Hayes the way they have. And this is total conspiratorial and I hate thinking this way, but after seeing Lycett owns a horse with Ken, is it possible Ken doesn't want Hayes to play well so Lycett still has a spot in the 1's? What a horrible thought.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

 

[VineValerian]

Dees are definitely beatable.
Gawn and Jackson were smashed by, of all people, Stanley and Blicavs so they are not firing.
Oliver is an out.
May still lamenting his altercation episode with Melksham, and playing from memory, meaning Lever is less effective.
Fritz down on form.
We can win this.

 

[MrChow]

I think we have missed our run off half back the last coupla weeks - went stagnant after halftime against GWS in this area too.

I think Bonner will help this, while I’m fine with Motlop out, he does have a positive impact on the run and carry game, along with Butters who is now back.

I’d also love to see Burton freed up more than always taking their best small forward too.

It’s only one method of ours going forward, but it does give us another option rather than the possession footy, or bomb it to Dixon strategies.

 

[philthy05]

The problem with Hayes isn't his hitout stats it's everything else. It's like Robbie playing midfield these days - he can win a clearance but he's a defensive liability. Hayes is a liability around the ground atm. I don't subscribe to the view he'll never be any good (its an obvious problem and better fitness should go a long way to fix it) but right now he doesn't cut it.

I think to call him a liability around the ground is completely wrong.

As has been mentioned, at sanfl level he was taking marks around the ground and finding plenty of the ball, it’s going to translate to afl with more time.

Is he a liability in that area until then? No.

A) he’s taking no less marks around the ground than lycett, who’s arguably the worst ruck in the league for taking marks around the ground.

B) Hayes opponents were no more influential around the ground against him than they’ve been in lycetts time.

And then there’s clearance work at the taps. Yeah, that’s where hayes is well behind. But it’s a complete furphy that rucks need to do that or that it’s an effective method.

Lycett gets a bunch of Clearances but he gets them by nullifying they tap / making sure it comes down inside the contest so he gets a chance (or one of our mids gets to it).

The following result is that our clearances are largely under pressure and ineffective, a fact we’ve all noticed and lamented for years. For the sake of getting a couple of Clearances to his name lycett completely nullifies his own midfields ability to get open effective stoppage clearances.

What ****ing good is that?

The ability to follow up and get clearances should be in a rucks toolkit as a sometimes thing that you do when you can’t win effective hitouts.

The better you are at hitouts the less you should be using that method.

 

[Jello_B]

Does Burton get Fritsch?

 

[raptalia]

“Congratz on losing your ruck battle to Jarrad Redden, How does facing Max Gawn next week sound?”

I will back your judgement on SANFL issues any day Ross but you have to ask if Lycett was beaten by Redden how is he included in the official best players list? Maybe the Port Magpies were that bad that they put him in to pad out the best players list or maybe someone went to Specsavers and got two pairs of rose coloured glasses for the price of one?

I think you are right and we will see Lycett back in the AFL next week. Not the way I would go but it looks like Ken wants him in.

 

[raptalia]

Does Burton get Fritsch?

if we double team Fritsch do we get a Fritsch sandwich?

 

[Del165198]

I will back your judgement on SANFL issues any day Ross but you have to ask if Lycett was beaten by Redden how is he included in the official best players list? Maybe the Port Magpies were that bad that they put him in to pad out the best players list or maybe someone went to Specsavers and got two pairs of rose coloured glasses for the price of one?

I think you are right and we will see Lycett back in the AFL next week. Not the way I would go but it looks like Ken wants him in.

He only got about 16 hitouts so maybe got dominated in ruck but a bit more of the ball around the ground.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

The official best players list is just done by a guy. And that guy is wrong most of the times. You can tell by the amount of times Sutcliffe features in the list.

 

[Coobk001]

Dees are definitely beatable.
Gawn and Jackson were smashed by, of all people, Stanley and Blicavs so they are not firing.
Oliver is an out.
May still lamenting his altercation episode with Melksham, and playing from memory, meaning Lever is less effective.
Fritz down on form.
We can win this.

We exist to play teams back into form, we've done it for years. On that basis I wouldn't read anything into any of the above.

 

[RossFC]

I will back your judgement on SANFL issues any day Ross but you have to ask if Lycett was beaten by Redden how is he included in the official best players list? Maybe the Port Magpies were that bad that they put him in to pad out the best players list or maybe someone went to Specsavers and got two pairs of rose coloured glasses for the price of one?

I think you are right and we will see Lycett back in the AFL next week. Not the way I would go but it looks like Ken wants him in.

Incidentally, I remember watching Redden play in the SANFL the game before he got picked vs Sydney early that year. I recall saying this guy is absolutely cooked. Then he got picked.

He actually started putting some decent form together in the last few rounds before being delisted though.