Changes vs North Melbourne

[Defacto]

You make sure you collect the wins that are there for the taking when you have 53 inside 50s to 39, and accept the odd bad loss against a good team. Tonight wasn't acceptable.

it wasnt acceptable but i'd much prefer us to back the kids in their development path than to shit the bed lose our boldness and revert back to same old. watters could have easily thrown dal, monty, jones into the center circle with mcevoy when the game was there to be won, but it looked like he stuck to rotations and backed the kids in

i have no issue with it and its something we'll see more. watters backed then kids in when the game was there to be lost. they didnt prevail, its going to happen over the next year or two

the important thing is they learn from it

the kids cant learn if were always going to lose faith in them and give them the chop out when it looks all too hard

 

[robert ballarin]

But we need to do something .. Make some moves agreed??.. Just. Cause we have tried in the past doesn't mean it can't work now or worth a try. Cause we are still losing doing the same things. At least try !!!!!

 

[Defacto]

But we need to do something .. Make some moves agreed??.. Just. Cause we have tried in the past doesn't mean it can't work now or worth a try. Cause we are still losing doing the same things. At least try !!!!!

i'm all for making moves to win the game but not at the expense of developing the players

for instance some have called for sending stanley fwd, what is that going to achieve? he has played there before and right now his role is to play down back. when hes having a tough one, the last thing we need is to bail him out and send him fwd. players need to learn to work through it. if we start serving them up the easy option, they will not know how to work through difficult situations when we need them to (like in a grand final when we are down at 1/2 half time and 3/4 time).

we never did that with hayes, roo, dal, monty so i dont see why we want to do it with stanley et all

 

[SaintLex]

Forward line

And put who exactly in defence?

 

[thomas_m18]

IN: Wright
IN: Curren
IN: Ledger
IN: Armitage
IN: Dunell

OUT: Hayes (inj)
OUT: Maister (son.)
OUT: Ray
OUT: Milne
OUT: Newnes

 

[Defacto]

OUT: Hayes (inj), Jones, McEvoy (he is cooked, needs the week off)
IN: Armitage, Wright, Saunders

B Geary Stanley Gwilt
HB Roberton Fisher Dempster
C Dal Santo Ross Montagna
HF Siposs Rewioldt Saad
F Milne Maister Newnes
R Hickey Armitage Steven
I/C Wright Ray Webster
SUB Saunders

swap the sub with who ever, would be great to give curren a run. webster needs a full game. wright needs to be put through the midfield, probably in a run with role. move newnes close to goal. hickey cant ruck a full game like mcevoy, so stanley will need to spend a decent amount of time in the ruck

 

[lenny_07]

Bring Blake in for starters, or Simpkin, because Petrie and Daw are going to tear our defence to pieces.

 

[thomas_m18]

Daw could probably single-handedly take our entire backline in a fight.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Daw could probably single-handedly take our entire backline in a fight.

Thats funny... We don't really have a good match up for Daw and Petrie but we need to stop the ball flying into their 50, to do that we need to bring in players to win contested footy and get rid of players that are going to turn it over.

OUT: Hayes, Ray, Jones, Hickey, Webster
IN: Armo, Wright, Saunders, Murdoch, (Dunnell SUB) He's a quick impact player, has played sub before and performed well.

 

[Ducky Tie]

OUT: Hayes, Ray, Jones, Hickey, Webster
IN: Armo, Wright, Saunders, Murdoch, (Dunnell SUB) He's a quick impact player, has played sub before and performed well.

Webster?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The whole team needs to get better, we wont win it at the selection table.
The stats paint a confusing picture.

Webster 4 disposals one contested, good efficiency, I liked his game last week, don't like him as a sub.

Milne Yes he missed a goal, he was always iffy at set shots. Lead the team for inside 50's ( he should be the one inside 50 for mine ). 3 tackles, 3 clangers. It wasn't his best game, but I thought there was plenty of effort there.

Rhys, anyone notice how agile he is for a big bloke. He's not the best as a key stopper though, not his fault, I don't think he ever claimed to be. Lead the team for 1% ers. We should drop him to bring in...... doh.

McEvoy. Shit! , maybe he's the player we should be looking to trade for big bucks. Long term its not going to work for both him and Hickey , and we'd get a bloody big trade for Ben. Cmon Ben if you aren't winning your customary ball around the ground, and as usual not winning the hitouts what good are you?

Newnes. Not good 10 disposals , 3 contested. I think he's due for a rest.


Steven and Ross did some of their best work.
Joey was great.
The defense was OKis , ( didn't think we matched up very well, Gwilt struggled with pace and size ).

The rest need to have a good look at themselves.

 

[thomas_m18]

Thats funny... We don't really have a good match up for Daw and Petrie but we need to stop the ball flying into their 50, to do that we need to bring in players to win contested footy and get rid of players that are going to turn it over.

OUT: Hayes, Ray, Jones, Hickey, Webster
IN: Armo, Wright, Saunders, Murdoch, (Dunnell SUB) He's a quick impact player, has played sub before and performed well.

We basically have to hope and pray that we can keep the ball out and the delivery poor, because if they get the chance they'll rip us to shreds.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Webster?

If Wright is good to go he takes Websters position

 

[Ducky Tie]

If Wright is good to go he takes Websters position

Both need to be in for me. Both look like they could go through the midfield so I'd be giving them full games next week.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Thats funny... We don't really have a good match up for Daw and Petrie but we need to stop the ball flying into their 50, to do that we need to bring in players to win contested footy and get rid of players that are going to turn it over.

OUT: Hayes, Ray, Jones, Hickey, Webster
IN: Armo, Wright, Saunders, Murdoch, (Dunnell SUB) He's a quick impact player, has played sub before and performed well.

Ouch

I could see Rhys play on Majac ( I think he's rucked against him before , we need Squizopedia to let us know ). But he's also the only one tall enough to play on Petrie who will monster him.

The only thing I can think of is to have McEvoy on Petrie, and let Hickey have a shot at doing nearly all the ruck work.
Maybe I'm overreacting to the 194 cm Majac, maybe Roberton or Dempster could do the job.
Why am I not optimistic about anything anymore, and how the hell do I change my username?

 

[Sheeza69]

I think we need to stop wasting time with older players who aren't up to it and aren't part of our next finals side. We also need to try and beat teams with run, skill and intensity because we're the smallest, most fragile playing group in the AFL.

Out: Hayes (inj), Jones, Maister, Milne, Gwilt, Hickey, Ray
In: Armitage, Ledger, Lee, Curren, Simpkin, Wright, Dunell

B: Dempster, Simpkin, Wright
HB: Fisher, Stanley, Roberton
C: Geary, Armitage, Webster
HF: Montagna, Riewoldt, Dunell
F: Saad, Lee, Siposs

Foll: McEvoy, Steven, Ross
Int: Curren, Dal Santo, Ledger, Newnes

We need to find out if Ledger, Curren and Lee are any good. Simpkin had a great season at AFL level last year and with match fitness would surely get back to that form.

In hindsight I'm somewhat glad we lost to the Bulldogs. If we had have won we'd be thinking "the senior players are still strong enough to keep us competitive blah blah blah etc.." In reality we are an absolute rabble and will need 3-4 years of top 5 draft picks to get us up into the finals again.

I miss Tom Simpkin's attack on the ball & the man down back, our defence has been fragile this year..
And don't we miss Nathan Wright..

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Webster didn't seem to impact enough for me from where i was sitting. Maybe give him a full game to see if he can impact but I'd take him out to bring in a harder running mid that can win the contested ball.
There was not enough grunt tonight, no pressure on their ball carriers, not enough tackling pressure and none up forward.

 

[stkildathunda]

Webster didn't seem to impact enough for me from where i was sitting. Maybe give him a full game to see if he can impact but I'd take him out to bring in a harder running mid that can win the contested ball.
There was not enough grunt tonight, no pressure on their ball carriers, not enough tackling pressure and none up forward.

Laid some very important tackles and spoils though. Made contest on several occasions and made opponent fumble mark etc. though he was alright considering coming on as sub is one hardest things to do.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Ouch

I could see Rhys play on Majac ( I think he's rucked against him before , we need Squizopedia to let us know ). But he's also the only one tall enough to play on Petrie who will monster him.

The only thing I can think of is to have McEvoy on Petrie, and let Hickey have a shot at doing nearly all the ruck work.
Maybe I'm overreacting to the 194 cm Majac, maybe Roberton or Dempster could do the job.
Why am I not optimistic about anything anymore, and how the hell do I change my username?

Think Stanley will have to go to Petrie and have someone helping him out (dempster). Fisher on Daw. Experience should cover him. No way do we back mcevoy in on petrie. He is good at floating into space not spoiling leads and other key attributes of a defender.

 

[MCG-Unit]

In: Armitage, Curren, Ledger - Inside mids please!

Out: Jones, Newnes, Hayes (inj) maybe Maister

Would not tip out Ray, and certainly not Gwilt, Hickey or Dal Santo

I hope Simpkin gets back in favour, would rather see him at FB and Stanley forward instead of Maister.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I would Drop Beau and put in Lee and this will add some mobility to our forward line and get some inside mids in.

OUTS - Jones, Hayes, Maister and perhaps Newnes
INS - Lee, Armo, Ledger and Wright if fit or Curren

I also would not be adverse if we brought in Simpkin

 

[hayes]

it wasnt acceptable but i'd much prefer us to back the kids in their development path than to shit the bed lose our boldness and revert back to same old. watters could have easily thrown dal, monty, jones into the center circle with mcevoy when the game was there to be won, but it looked like he stuck to rotations and backed the kids in

i have no issue with it and its something we'll see more. watters backed then kids in when the game was there to be lost. they didnt prevail, its going to happen over the next year or two

the important thing is they learn from it

the kids cant learn if were always going to lose faith in them and give them the chop out when it looks all too hard

Completely agree. I'm not a big fan of babying the young blokes either, when times get tough they can't get into the habit of looking for Hayes, Jones, Dal etc forever because soon they're not going to be there. The kids will learn, and while it might cost us a game or two here and there in time it will pay off. Let's face it, we're going to have to be patient.

In: Armo, Wright, Saunders.
Out: Jones, Maister/Hickey, Hayes.

Jones was a late in for Armo, if Armo is right then that's an obvious swap. Maister/Hickey, pick one. Hayes injured?

Would've liked to have got Murdoch in there but couldn't think of another out. Newnes maybe, just doesn't get enough of the ball but young players are going to have their ups and downs but we need to persist with them. Dunell is another I'd love to get in there but we've just got too many back flankers playing so can't get him in.

 

[tbarker]

Both need to be in for me. Both look like they could go through the midfield so I'd be giving them full games next week.

Ahhh - yup. Dropping Webster??? Crazy talk. The only reason he was sub is that they were worried about clearances and he is a HBF / wing. Webster has shown plenty and provides exactly the qualities we need - skill, poise speed.

Wright is not the panacea but his straight running would be most welcomed instead of the Ray and Jones sideways crabbing show....

Maister is not up to it (cue broken record).
Milne is gone and has been for 12 months.e
Ray has lost confidence again and is not good in the frame of mind.
McEvoy is the biggest worry. If there was competition for ruck spots then he would be dropped. Supercoach points do not maketh the ruckman. you have to win tap outs to advantage.
Newnes is not tired - simply up and down as kids are.
Sipposs looked dangerous and ran his guts out for 3 quarters before running out of gas. Yes he needs a bigger tank but he shouldn't be chasing midfielders out of the forward 50 because our midfielders are bludging!
Our backline looked slow tonight because the doggies put heaps of small guys down there. It is why I don't understand why Webster wasn't in the starting line-up.
Jones coming in to tag Griffin is a reflection of Geary's woes last week with Thomson. Geary isnt strong enough to handle the big midfielders. I thought Jones played well considering Griffin got room service tap outs all night and blocks from his midfield. Remember those saints - blocks for your teammates....
Armitage has been out of form recently so his loss was not so great but his physical presence was missed.

 

[tbarker]

Ahhh - yup. Dropping Webster??? Crazy talk. The only reason he was sub is that they were worried about clearances and he is a HBF / wing. Webster has shown plenty and provides exactly the qualities we need - skill, poise speed.

Wright is not the panacea but his straight running would be most welcomed instead of the Ray and Jones sideways crabbing show....

Maister is not up to it (cue broken record).
Milne is gone and has been for 12 months.e
Ray has lost confidence again and is not good in the frame of mind.
McEvoy is the biggest worry. If there was competition for ruck spots then he would be dropped. Supercoach points do not maketh the ruckman. you have to win tap outs to advantage.
Newnes is not tired - simply up and down as kids are.
Sipposs looked dangerous and ran his guts out for 3 quarters before running out of gas. Yes he needs a bigger tank but he shouldn't be chasing midfielders out of the forward 50 because our midfielders are bludging!
Our backline looked slow tonight because the doggies put heaps of small guys down there. It is why I don't understand why Webster wasn't in the starting line-up.
Jones coming in to tag Griffin is a reflection of Geary's woes last week with Thomson. Geary isnt strong enough to handle the big midfielders. I thought Jones played well considering Griffin got room service tap outs all night and blocks from his midfield. Remember those saints - blocks for your teammates....
Armitage has been out of form recently so his loss was not so great but his physical presence was missed.

Ohh jeez.. As I look at my posts I realise that the solution is not clear at all....

 

[Sainttony]

We need midfielders and especially clearance midfielders. I would bring in ledger and possibly Curren for Sippos and Saad. Although neither of them were particularly bad last night I am just trying to get extra midfielders in who can take their share of clearance work.

If wright is back I would change him over for Webster. Again not that Websterdid much wrong it is just that I see Wright as a better player at this stage of their development

I would also be inclined to rotate the three talls McEvoy Hickey and Stanley through the ruck hoping that one of them will give us the drive to win the clearances.