Opinion Changes vs Port

[maxlilly]

Lyons is a player who can only play well in one role, playing in an era where players are expected to rotate and adapt.

The club needs to decide whether they're happy for him to just sit in the guts all day doing what he does, or not play him at all. Using him as a sub, or moving him around the ground, is not playing into his abilities at all. Either he's good enough to spend the whole game in the engine room (and have us cop whatever hit to our structure that entails), or he's not.

He is no different to Thommo, but at least Lyons offers a lot more in the centre than Thommo does.
And Lyons can kick a goal and can be constructive around the ground.

 

[Sanders]

We have made finals with Mackay in the side, he's fine for the time being.

Just making finals is a mediocre standard to judge success by.

I reckon there is a difference between players good enough to make 8th and players good enough to make grand finals and win premierships.

 

[maxlilly]

I reckon we've actually got two good clearance players - Dangerfield and Crouch. Sloane is better on the outside, Wright is a handy depth mid.

And Dangerfield is not a 'constructive' clearance player in the same way that the likes of Mitchell/Selwood are. He's a physical, crash n bash type. Which is great, but we miss a player of Lyons type IMO. Even Douglas is a bang-it-on-the-boot merchant.

We get raw clearance numbers, we don't get constructive possession chains with our current mix.

Yep, I agree.
That's also why I would love to see Smith given a decent run in the middle, to give him the chance to be a constructive midfielder, instead of him trying to clean up the mess in the back half because our midfield aren't doing the job.

 

[maxlilly]

Changes
Out - Pods ( Injured, hopefully)
In - JJ

 

[Tex200]

Just making finals is a mediocre standard to judge success by.

I reckon there is a difference between players good enough to make 8th and players good enough to make grand finals and win premierships.

17 poss - looked nice at times but didn't really impact. The quintessential MacKay game.

Every year I see the same names that never have, and never will, bring us success.

 

[BACCS]

Good, then I get the last word. There are sides with more excellent players than us and expansion sides with a lot more potential excellent players.

Nah, you never get the last word as you're always wrong... I never said there weren't sides with more excellent players, I just said we have decent number that is building by the year atm.

 

[BACCS]

Just making finals is a mediocre standard to judge success by.

I reckon there is a difference between players good enough to make 8th and players good enough to make grand finals and win premierships.

Mackay was good enough to play in a side that finished 2nd in 2012, how is that mediocre? Oh I'm sorry, that's not a premiership, I'm accepting mediocrity, you are always right Sanders.

 

[BACCS]

But many say our depth is great.. Martin is part of that depth.. Even guys who get regular games are not quite as good as the equivalent at many other clubs.. We don't bat deep enough.. And no, I don't just watch the Crows.. I could almost name you every player on other team lists.. The point is that yes there are some clubs that don't have great depth, but do we want to be them or do we want to climb the mountain finally again after what will be 20 years soon?

Martin has played less than 20 games in over 5 seasons, he's hardly in our top line depth. He won't be in the side much longer, if even past this week. Quality depth is built over time, which is exactly what we are trying to do atm. This is such a ridiculous debate anyway, it's way too subjective for anyone to ever get to a point of total agreement, and it can never be judged quantitatively.

 

[Sanders]

Nah, you never get the last word as you're always wrong...

Oh I'm sorry, that's not a premiership, I'm accepting mediocrity, you are always right Sanders.

There's some pretty big statements for someone of your, um, reputation.

Maybe take a deep breath and reply constructively next time?

 

[BACCS]

There's some pretty big statements for someone of your, um, reputation.

Maybe take a deep breath and reply constructively next time?

Reputation? Take a look in the mirror mate

 

[Bicks]

I'm one of Jaensch's harshest critics but anyone that suggests he should be dropped on last night's effort clearly did not watch the game or is blinded by their hatred for the player, in fact he was easily in our top 6 players on the night and stays in until we have better options i.e. a fit Laird. Martin however proved once again he is not up to the pressure of AFL and should be replaced with Lyons in the starting 22. Our sub MUST always be an "IMPACT" player, someone that can really spice the game up with pace and vigour, Jenkins would be ideal in my opinion. I'd be playing McKernan almost permanent full forward with occasional chop outs for Sauce in ruck until Tex is ready.

Last night illustrated just how important Dougy is to our success!!

 

[Mego Red]

For me, Hartigan and Laird in for Shaw and Porps.

 

[Elite Crow]

Nah, you never get the last word as you're always wrong... I never said there weren't sides with more excellent players, I just said we have decent number that is building by the year atm.

Always wrong? Ok you got me oh hysterical one.

 

[Mike Smyth]

I cant remember who it was, but I questioned Pods in the pre-season games and got absolutely slaughtered for it..
how times have changed

LOL. Hard to believe people got excited about a 32 year old player with one year left in the tank.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Nah, you never get the last word as you're always wrong... I never said there weren't sides with more excellent players, I just said we have decent number that is building by the year atm.

What is your opinion on the following players Baccs?

L Thompson
Shaw
Porp
Martin
McKay
Jaensch
Reilly
Graham

 

[Mike Smyth]

Essendon - Neil is there isn't he?

Isn't he at Brisbane? He should give Porps a game as he owes him big time.

 

[footy4ever]

I agree but jenkins should play. Chf for my liking. Smack and pods closer to goal.

I've probably seen Smack play more games than any other Adelaide dweller, have gone to as many as possible SANFL South Adelaide games (I know right. Don't ask me why) and then some, when he switched to Glenelg (my 'local' ground and a place where I catch up with mates sometimes). It's only SANFL level, but Smack plays his best footy close to goals. It's like his eyes roll back in his head because there's a possible goal in it for him, but he is very good at quick snatch and grab round the body snapshots, and surprising clunker marks and accurate difficult angle shots on goal. I've witnessed it over and over and in fact I think I tried to feed this to the board a couple of years ago.

But at AFL level? Hmm, it's at least worth a try.

 

[VSTone]

if danger is going to cop so much attention this season maybe he needs to become the quarterback and light up the role...

a goal kicking, 120m possession quarterback owning the defensive half...

 

[Mike Smyth]

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I've probably seen Smack play more games than any other Adelaide dweller, have gone to as many as possible SANFL South Adelaide games (I know right. Don't ask me why) and then some, when he switched to Glenelg (my 'local' ground and a place where I catch up with mates sometimes). It's only SANFL level, but Smack plays his best footy close to goals. It's like his eyes roll back in his head because there's a possible goal in it for him, but he is very good at quick snatch and grab round the body snapshots, and surprising clunker marks and accurate difficult angle shots on goal. I've witnessed it over and over and in fact I think I tried to feed this to the board a couple of years ago.

But at AFL level? Hmm, it's at least worth a try.

I agree. Smack isn't a CHF, must be played out of the goal square.

 

[Mike Smyth]

For me, Hartigan and Laird in for Shaw and Porps.

Is it nearly time to rule a line through Porps? He had one really good season and only rare glimpses of that form since.

Agree with Hartigan for Shaw however if we lose the next 2 (which is likely) would love to see Siggins get a game. It would be really good for his development if he can learn from the master (Benny Rutten) before he retires.

 

[mulz]

Hopefully dougy comes in this week. Hell we need him.

Sloaney really seems to be struggling ti get his hands on the ball this year. Id give him a shut down role on boak this week and hope he can do a bit of damage the other way aswell.

 

[footy4ever]

if danger is going to cop so much attention this season maybe he needs to become the quarterback and light up the role...

a goal kicking, 120m possession quarterback owning the defensive half...

Sort of Nathan Buckley-esque. He controlled every collingwood game he played in, not sure if it was the HB 'sweeper' role (from centre, I think) but he was the organiser and instigator on-field.

But he'll be fine when we play the good teams because good teams don't tag. Geelong must be a crap team.

 

[FR0GGY]

What is your opinion on the following players Baccs?

L Thompson
Shaw
Porp
Martin
McKay
Jaensch
Reilly
Graham

Mind if I have a go?
l Thompson - future Superstar
Shaw - future Superstar
Porps - Past Superstar
Martin - Superstar cut down by injury
MacKay - future Superstar
Jaensch - future superstar
Reilly - misunderstood Superstar
Graham - shit

 

[footy4ever]

Mind if I have a go?
l Thompson - future Superstar
Shaw - future Superstar
Porps - Past Superstar
Martin - Superstar cut down by injury
MacKay - future Superstar
Jaensch - future superstar
Reilly - misunderstood Superstar
Graham - shit

You cheated. You gathered that together from past years on this board.

 

[King Elvis]

Exactly, it seems like such a bizarre statement to make. Freo use Crowley, Geelong used Guthrie or Hunt, Collingwood use Macaffer, Port have Cassisi or Cornes, Hawthorn use Shiels, Sydney use Bird, it's not like tagging is something that only strugglign sides use to try and even things up. I remember reading that basically only Richmond, West Coast and Gold Coast were the only teams that didn't tag frequently last year.

Good teams don't tag - who says we're a good team?


I was adamant in the other thread that replacing Bailey with Noble was a mistake - and I stand by it.

Our game day coaching under Sando is WORSE THAN IT WAS UNDER CRAIG; we need a serious injection of talent in our coaches box.

Team wise?

Drop Porps.
Drop Pods.

Play Lyons from the word go and tell Danger to let Lyons and Crouch be inside getting the footy, so he doesn't get buried at every contest.