Opinion Changes vs Port

[Golumless]

No we have to bring back Radar because our team is woefully inexperienced. We were the 3rd youngest side in the AFL round 1. We have a 150+ game player who has had 2 very good hitouts in the 2's (his last game he got 35+ possessions) who should be recalled every day of the week.

He deserves to be in front of Laird. Laird has had one uninterrupted preseason in his career. He is a young fella. He doesn't have the base fitness as Radar does. Laird is a good footballer - he wont be great. He needs to be at top fitness to be on top of his game and AFL standard. The coaches know this and therefore he will have to dominate SANFL games before he is let in.

Please tell me this is some elaborate troll.

Preferring Reilly over Laird, is much like selecting Mackay, playing Porps, continuously selecting Thommo right now. They are not decisions with any idea towards to future, it's just hoping the same players that have failed us many times can magically find a way to win. It's a gutless decision to bring Reilly back and one i am really disappointed in.

I also disagree with your assessment on Laird, there is nothing about Laird game that screams good footballer with limited scope (I.e Jaesnch category which is the vibe i got from that). Laird continues on the same development track as what he showed last season, he'll be one of the better defenders in the league and without a doubt this was a game made for him.

 

[AFC979810]

Get some sleep Sando, you have a big weekend in front of you.

Stiffy was cooked by the second half of 2011. He lost all defensive skills and Bicks discovered that he was suddenly our next gun small forward (at least until that young kid Callinan came through) The games wasted on him in 2012 were a shame. Bringing him back for the first showdown last year (his contribution of 5 possessions) arguably cost us the match. If Matty Couch comes in and plays a shocker then at least he has had a taste of high pressure footy.

What are you on about? You compared Porps getting a game in rd 1 to Stiffy's "golden ticket". I correctly informed you that Stiffy had no golden ticket in 2013 and only played 2 matches. It is my opinion that Porps is getting the same treatment - where he has a very limited opportunity early in the season to prove whether the game has passed him by or not. You can bring up shit from 2012 - but it is completely irrelevant.

Radar's two good matches in SANFL trial matches mean absolutely nothing. When was his last quality AFL match.

So what does Radar need to do then? If SANFL dominance means absolutely nothing then how does he get a game at AFL level? If he dominates an SANFL game he will dominate the next 3. As a senior player he has done whats required to get a go at AFL level.

Finally, it doesn't matter how many times Sando/you say it, we were not the third youngest team in the AFL in round 1. Check the facts on footywire and then post your apology. Strangely enough, one of the 5 younger teams in round one were......wearing black and teal.

I will apologise for not putting the little star that says youngest team with regards to AFL experience, which is the most important stat. You think that Brodie Martin at 26 with 15 games is an experienced footballer? C'mon Jack - you are better than that. The fact is we were the 3rd youngest side with regards to AFL experience in Rd 1.

 

[mattymac]

I think Lyons biggest problem is that we are very reluctant to call time on Thommo right now.

Though, i was also very disappointed on him being dropped.

This is the problem. Tredrea, as much his poort face irks me, is pretty clued in. Back when we signed Sando he warned that his main drawback would be being too matesy with players so that he can't make the hard calls on them.

Fast forward 2 years and we're seeing precisely that. I think we missed a trick by re-signing him last year with over a season still to run on his contract. Took all the pressure off him. He's never had to say ok their career or mine? A more experienced coach who has faced the axe would never have re-signed porps and thommo after their performance last year given their age and our list profile. Would any decent team have picked up porps or thommo as FAs? Everybody is too comfortable, no pressure incentive to make the hard calls

 

[AFC979810]

Please tell me this is some elaborate troll.

Preferring Reilly over Laird, is much like selecting Mackay, playing Porps, continuously selecting Thommo right now. They are not decisions with any idea towards to future, it's just hoping the same players that have failed us many times can magically find a way to win. It's a gutless decision to bring Reilly back and one i am really disappointed in.

I also disagree with your assessment on Laird, there is nothing about Laird game that screams good footballer with limited scope (I.e Jaesnch category which is the vibe i got from that). Laird continues on the same development track as what he showed last season, he'll be one of the better defenders in the league and without a doubt this was a game made for him.

Yup - thats your opinion. Laird is good. He is not great. Will he become great? I doubt it.

He has had one good season in which he came into it off of a great preseason without any niggles. He is smaller in stature and less than developed than a Reilly. In my opinion he will struggle to fit into a high intensity game after only one preseason game more than 11 year veteran Reilly will after 2 SANFL games.

Also - if you think we should drop Thommo - we shouldn't even be discussing anything cause we are obviously watching different games.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

This is the problem. Tredrea, as much his poort face irks me, is pretty clued in. Back when we signed Sando he warned that his main drawback would be being too matesy with players so that he can't make the hard calls on them.

Fast forward 2 years and we're seeing precisely that. I think we missed a trick by re-signing him last year with over a season still to run on his contract. Took all the pressure off him. He's never had to say ok their career or mine? A more experienced coach who has faced the axe would never have re-signed porps and thommo after their performance last year given their age and our list profile. Would any decent team have picked up porps or thommo as FAs? Everybody is too comfortable, no pressure incentive to make the hard calls

When Sando was appt I said on this board that I had good info from. Snr Geelong Official that Sando's greatest strength was building strong player relationships however it was also his greatest weakness because Geelong were concerned as his ability to make tough calls on players, not just careers but also selection

At times throughout the past couple of years I have replayed this message to our bigfooty board and have been supported by some and shot down by many others

To me these words from a good friend of mine who is still at Geelong still ring true, it's just written all over Sando coaching style

At times Sando comes across more as a mate to the players rather then their Coach

 

[Jack is Back]

I apologise for not putting the little star that says youngest team with regards to AFL experience, which is the most important stat. You think that Brodie Martin at 26 with 15 games is an experienced footballer? C'mon Jack - you are better than that. The fact is we were the 3rd youngest side with regards to AFL experience in Rd 1.

Youngest is a measure of age. Do you mean we were the youngest if we ignore the older players who haven't played lots of games?

Do you mean that we had the third least experienced team in games played? Check the maths Sando, this is also wrong.

If we have to wait until a player has had his 21st birthday before we start to give him regular games then we will have the lowest ratio of games played divided by age. This is called the gold card index.

We didn't win the flag in 2012, we didn't win it in 2013 and we won't win it this year. If we keep playing non-performing "experienced" players instead of KIDS then we will never win another flag.

 

[AFC979810]

This is the problem. Tredrea, as much his poort face irks me, is pretty clued in. Back when we signed Sando he warned that his main drawback would be being too matesy with players so that he can't make the hard calls on them.

Fast forward 2 years and we're seeing precisely that. I think we missed a trick by re-signing him last year with over a season still to run on his contract. Took all the pressure off him. He's never had to say ok their career or mine? A more experienced coach who has faced the axe would never have re-signed porps and thommo after their performance last year given their age and our list profile. Would any decent team have picked up porps or thommo as FAs? Everybody is too comfortable, no pressure incentive to make the hard calls

Are you kidding me??? Please tell me you are drunk right now.

You are trying to tell me that an experience coach who has lost 2 first round draft picks over the past 2 years would not have re-signed a guy who was an All Australian, Club Champion and 5th in the Brownlow in 2012 (not to mention in his shit year came 7th in our best & fairest and lead our club in possessions).

Lets not even talk about how this guy was hampered with groin/hip injuries (which the club acknowledged) through the entire 2013 season.

Do me a favour and slap yourself across the face for suggesting we delist Thommo.

 

[King Elvis]

This team's midfield is so ******* overrated.

If our inside midfielders are so good, why did they get utterly trounced last week?

Why were we a shit side last year?

Why was Lyons our highest clearance winner when he only played for a quarter?

If Sewell pulled a game even close to what Thompson or Porps produced last week, he'd be lining up for Box Hill the next week. Woodward or Hallahan would take his place.

Instead Adelaide drops the one who played competently.

Absolute bullshit that Lyons is dropped.

Predictable, but ****ed.

 

[robboaustralia]

Unlike everybody else on here, I like having Smith at half-back. He's perfect there. It's Jaensch I want on the wing.

EDIT: Sorry AFC979810...everybody but you.

Smith on Polec could be fun... possible?

 

[MRB37]

Sando does seem to have his favourites, but then he didn't seem to have any issues calling time on Johncock and Vince when he didn't think they'd be of any use anymore. If a raft on senior players continue to underperform early on and he continues to back them, then that's not a good sign heading into thge rest of the season.

 

[Schulzycrow]

When Sando was appt I said on this board that I had good info from. Snr Geelong Official that Sando's greatest strength was building strong player relationships however it was also his greatest weakness because Geelong were concerned as his ability to make tough calls on players, not just careers but also selection

At times throughout the past couple of years I have replayed this message to our bigfooty board and have been supported by some and shot down by many others

To me these words from a good friend of mine who is still at Geelong still ring true, it's just written all over Sando coaching style

At times Sando comes across more as a mate to the players rather then their Coach

All the more reason to get a replacement for Dean Bailey's position ASAP. Until we make some hard selection calls we aren't going to get anywhere.

 

[AFC979810]

Youngest is a measure of age. Do you mean we were the youngest if we ignore the older players who haven't played lots of games?

Semantics Jack. I already apologised that i didn't put the asterisk mentioning experience like I did in the other thread.

Its common sense - if you look at our age profile - Brodie Martin skews the data. He has 15 games of experience and is 26. Danger is 23 and has 106 games of experience... Which is younger in terms of AFL footy?

Do you mean that we had the third least experienced team in games played? Check the maths Sando, this is also wrong.

Once again apologies. We were the 5th youngest - behind GWS, GC, St.Kilda, Melbourne (who all finished bottom 5 last year) - what a coincidence. Whilst you are happy arguing semantics you are missing the point Jack.

Let me point it out to you. Whilst Porps and Reilly may or may not play in our next flag - we cannot go into AFL games with nothing but kids. Has watching Melbourne/GWS/Gold Coast over the past 2 years taught you nothing?

If we have to wait until a player has had his 21st birthday before we start to give him regular games then we will have the lowest ratio of games played divided by age. This is called the gold card index.

We didn't win the flag in 2012, we didn't win it in 2013 and we won't win it this year. If we keep playing non-performing "experienced" players instead of KIDS then we will never win another flag.

And if we play nothing but KIDS and have an unhealthy balance - we will get pummeled every week and lose all of our good players (Danger, etc). Its all about balance Jack.

 

[Jack is Back]

Are you kidding me??? Please tell me you are drunk right now.

You are trying to tell me that an experience coach who has lost 2 first round draft picks over the past 2 years would not have re-signed a guy who was an All Australian, Club Champion and 5th in the Brownlow in 2012 (not to mention in his shit year came 7th in our best & fairest and lead our club in possessions).

Lets not even talk about how this guy was hampered with groin/hip injuries (which the club acknowledged) through the entire 2013 season.

Do me a favour and slap yourself across the face for suggesting we delist Thommo.

I blame Sando for the criticism of Thommo (I'm still a believer). If players are not fit DON'T PLAY THEM. I can't recll that you were supporting myself and other posters who were calling for Thommo to be rested last season. You can't support the decision to run him into the ground last year and then criticise posters who were disappointed with his output in 2013.

Sando admitted that he shouldn't have played Truck last week and deciding to play Brad Crouch for 2 and a half quarters was plain dumb. Not as dumb as playing a one armed Petrenko in a prelim final but not worth the risk against Geelong (unless we were convinced that we couldn't win the game).

Port keeps Carlisle in the twos and plays Impey. We play Porps instead of Lyons or Matty Crouch and bring back an underdone Reilly. If we are over run in the last quarter, don't worry folks, we are even fitter than last year.

 

[mattymac]

You are trying to tell me that an experience coach who has lost 2 first round draft picks over the past 2 years would not have re-signed a guy who was an All Australian, Club Champion and 5th in the Brownlow in 2012

Thats the thing about hard calls. They're not easy

 

[Cap]

It must be crap getting the sub vest at the AFC, it is a ticket to the ressies and nothing else

 

[Jack is Back]

Once again apologies. We were the 5th youngest - behind GWS, GC, St.Kilda, Melbourne (who all finished bottom 5 last year) - what a coincidence. Whilst you are happy arguing semantics you are missing the point Jack.

Let me point it out to you. Whilst Porps and Reilly may or may not play in our next flag - we cannot go into AFL games with nothing but kids. Has watching Melbourne/GWS/Gold Coast over the past 2 years taught you nothing?

Newsflash Sando.

The very young and inexperienced GWS defeated Sydney last week and I must have imagined that the very young and inexperienced Gold Coast defeated Richmond. I also seem to remember St Kilda winning.

 

[AFC979810]

I blame Sando for the criticism of Thommo (I'm still a believer). If players are not fit DON'T PLAY THEM. I can't recll that you were supporting myself and other posters who were calling for Thommo to be rested last season. You can't support the decision to run him into the ground last year and then criticise posters who were disappointed with his output in 2013.

Because you can't recall me supporting you, does not mean I 'supported' the decision to run Thommo into the ground. Stupid, stupid logic Jack.

Sando admitted that he shouldn't have played Truck last week and deciding to play Brad Crouch for 2 and a half quarters was plain dumb. Not as dumb as playing a one armed Petrenko in a prelim final but not worth the risk against Geelong (unless we were convinced that we couldn't win the game).

What are you on about? You keep spouting the same agenda from 2012 even when its not relevant to the discussion. What does Petrenko playing in a prelim after getting hurt 7 days before have to do with Reilly playing in round 2 after being injured 9 months prior and playing 2 very good games in the SANFL?

Port keeps Carlisle in the twos and plays Impey. We play Porps instead of Lyons or Matty Crouch and bring back an underdone Reilly. If we are over run in the last quarter, don't worry folks, we are even fitter than last year.

I am confused.

You are applauding the decision of Port to keep an injured player (carlisle) out of round 1, play him in an SANFL practice match and then bring him in round 2 at the expense of a young high draft pick (Clurey #26).

Yet you are having a crack at Adelaide for doing the exact same bloody thing with Reilly?!?!??!??!

It must be time for your yearly vacation.

 

[jackster83]

I like Lyons but I didn't think much of his game against the Cats. Blindly throwing it on the boot is not what you want your sub to do.

Shame we have so many zero gamers in our reserves ; it makes it harder to drop underperformers like Porps.

 

[AFC979810]

Newsflash Sando.

The very young and inexperienced GWS defeated Sydney last week and I must have imagined that the very young and inexperienced Gold Coast defeated Richmond. I also seem to remember St Kilda winning.

Brilliant argument. Two upsets and a win against another young team (st.kilda v melb).

There would be no correlation between the fact that GWS, Melb, St.Kilda,GC were 4 of the 5 youngest sides in the competition and all finished in the bottom 5.... None whatsover.

You are onto something here Jack.. You better ring up GWS/GC and tell them that being an extremely young side has no correlation to getting smashed week in week out. They must have drafted very poorly considering their combined 17 win - 93 loss since 2011.

 

[AFC979810]

Thats the thing about stupid calls. They're not smart

EFA

 

[daniel_4tw]

Porps had a fantastic preseason. I'm happy to back him in. If he gets dropped again, could be career over.

Reilly has missed a lot of football. Best of luck to him.

 

[headache1]

I like Lyons but I didn't think much of his game against the Cats. Blindly throwing it on the boot is not what you want your sub to do.

Shame we have so many zero gamers in our reserves ; it makes it harder to drop underperformers like Porps.

Let's not pretend like he was alone there. Honestly, our midfield didn't look like delivering a proper, well thought out pass to the forward line in the last quarter. We were completely overawed by the Cats in the last 15 minutes.

 

[mattymac]

EFA

As we're becoming all too aware of

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Sando does seem to have his favourites, but then he didn't seem to have any issues calling time on Johncock and Vince when he didn't think they'd be of any use anymore. If a raft on senior players continue to underperform early on and he continues to back them, then that's not a good sign heading into thge rest of the season.

Johncock was an easy call as he was struggling to get on the training park, Vince well Sando didn't even talk to Bernie through the process it was all managed by Noble.......

One has to think though if Sando got the Cats job would he have made some of the tough list decisions that Scott has on Chapman, Hunt, Corey and JPod all premiership playersv and couple absolute champions of the club

Key reason why the Cats went for Scott over Sando

Don't get me wrong I believe Sando can be a very good coach however I also believe he needs to find the right balance between stick and carrot

 

[Elite Crow]

Did I miss the memo where experience guarantees good with no **** ups?