List Mgmt. Changes vs Port

[FKASC]

Do you blokes reckon McGovern gets up? He rips us up every time......

I doubt it but in the past he has recovered quicker than expected as his injuries always appear worse than they are (except for the broken ribs)

 

[omarlittle1]

That's conjecture.

It's going too far to say he isn't suited to the role. It is closer to the truth to say he is playing a role he hasn't played before.

The reason he is on the wing is his running power, agility and marking prowess provides a point of difference. He has played 3 games in that role, and in two of those games, his team mates played like rubbish.

We need to a larger sample size.

What Brander has shown this year is an ability to learn and adapt. Each one of his games has been better than the one that preceded it. I fully expect him to have a breakout game in the next month.

So you don't think he'll play a KPP role moving forward? The role he was drafted for? That feels like conjecture.

Sure they're playing him on a wing to utilize his running power, but it feels like they're trying to shoehorn him into a role to fit him in the team.
(I'll put my hand up for conjecture here)

He certainly has attributes that enable him to play said role, but there is a reason the AFL doesn't see too many 195cm wingers.
I hope he can flourish in the role, however I think he'll end up playing as a KPP in the next year or so regardless.

 

[FreeTK]

So you don't think he'll play a KPP role moving forward? The role he was drafted for? That feels like conjecture.

Sure they're playing him on a wing to utilize his running power, but it feels like they're trying to shoehorn him into a role to fit him in the team.
(I'll put my hand up for conjecture here)

He certainly has attributes that enable him to play said role, but there is a reason the AFL doesn't see too many 195cm wingers.
I hope he can flourish in the role, however I think he'll end up playing as a KPP in the next year or so regardless.

I don't think him being on the wing is a short term solution. It is a medium term project.

When JK hangs up the boots, the forward line will be JD and Oscar with Bailey taking on 2nd ruck/resting forward.

Waterman will be the third tall if and when required, but I'm not totally sure how he fits in to the puzzle. He may be a Schofield type who spends his career on the fringe.

 

[Chris_6678]

IF Jk wont be dropped i hate to say it but we need to drop Allen and bring in Baily who is an actual ruckman and i think would bring energy when Nic nat is rested.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Some people's fascination with Brander makes little sense to me. He's just a third year player learning a new role, we have far bigger issues. He's doing fine. Just drawing attention because he was a first rounder, which isnt fair. What about all the senior players earning 4 times what he does who cant even get a kick? Perhaps focus on them.

Spot on!
195cm kid in his 3rd season. If he was earmarked to play a key position role, everyone would be happy to give him time to develop.
But because he's being played in the middle, the expectation is that he should instantly play like a Rowell or Walsh.

The guy is consistently picking up a dozen possessions a game & 7-8 marks, while playing the decoy winger role made famous by Masten. I think that gets a pass mark.

 

[FreeTK]

IF Jk wont be dropped i hate to say it but we need to drop Allen and bring in Baily who is an actual ruckman and i think would bring energy when Nic nat is rested.

That's the puzzle.

Which two do we pick?

Jk - Struggling to get separation and impact up forward
OA - good forward/struggling in the ruck
BW - Good in ruck, fwd capacity unknown and he is untested.

Ironically, perhaps a tall forward line might help us this week against port during the day.

I don't think they have that many KPD. Perhaps we can stretch them out by going tall?

 

[omarlittle1]

I don't think him being on the wing is a short term solution. It is a medium term project.

When JK hangs up the boots, the forward line will be JD and Oscar with Bailey taking on 2nd ruck/resting forward.

Waterman will be the third tall if and when required, but I'm not totally sure how he fits in to the puzzle. He may be a Schofield type who spends his career on the fringe.

Maybe Brander could be developed to take Hurn's/Schofield's role as a 3rd tall down back?

If he's not going to be played as a KPF then it makes sense to trial him down back. As you say he's pretty mobile. He could definitely play a Schoey type role moving forward.

 

[Dark Sharks]

If Brander (14d) is playing that sacrificial spud role that Marsden used to do where you don't get much of the football but run to space...


What is Sheed (12d), Redden (12d) Kelly 17d) and Shuey's (14d) excuse?


Clangers vs Brisbane

Yeo - 7
Kelly - 5
Cripps - 5
Naitanui - 4
Redden - 4
Marsder - 4


I know people really remember a couple of his errors in the 2nd half which directly cost goals because emotions were high and we were about to fold...

But he was ranked our 6th best player by champion data. He took 8 marks, the most of any Eagle, and only Gaff and Hurn had more metres gained.

He wasn't as bad as many think

 

[the early bird]

IF Jk wont be dropped i hate to say it but we need to drop Allen and bring in Baily who is an actual ruckman and i think would bring energy when Nic nat is rested.

This. We can’t have Allen rucking 1/3 of every match while guys like Oscar McInerney float forward, outmark him and kick goals. He’s not a ruck. Unless Naitanui spends more TOG he needs to go

 

[FreeTK]

Maybe Brander could be developed to take Hurn's/Schofield's role as a 3rd tall down back?

If he's not going to be played as a KPF then it makes sense to trial him down back. As you say he's pretty mobile. He could definitely play a Schoey type role moving forward.

Why are you so keen to get him off the wing?

He took some big marks last weekend.

He took a big contested mark as Brisbane were trying to get out of their D50, one of the few repeat entries we had, and the other that I remember was one he took at half back (I think that was the kick he squibbed).

So often our forwards get sucked up the ground to help out in providing a target when we try to get out of defence from a kick in. The result is then JD/JK having to wait for options to present further up the ground which slows down our ball movement.

I'm really keen on the idea of a wingman who can take big overhead contested marks like a tall, and also run like a mid. It's an exciting prospect, and hope that he fulfils his potential in the middle of the ground.

 

[omarlittle1]

If Brander (14d) is playing that sacrificial spud role that Marsden used to do where you don't get much of the football but run to space...


What is Sheed (12d), Redden (12d) Kelly 17d) and Shuey's (14d) excuse?


Clangers vs Brisbane

Yeo - 7
Kelly - 5
Cripps - 5
Naitanui - 4
Redden - 4
Brander - 4


I know people really remember a couple of his errors in the 2nd half which directly cost goals because emotions were high and we were about to fold...

But he was ranked our 6th best player by champion data. He took 8 marks, the most of any Eagle, and only Gaff and Hurn had more metres gained.

He wasn't as bad as many think

You're right. And what's most encouraging is that he's showing ample improvement.

Our midfield is the true disaster at present. Don't know what the hell is going on there.

 

[southcoast]

Brander is a weakness and sould be replaced with Sheed or Nelson on wing.

Get JJ or XoN in. Need youth to kickstart us.

Just chucking it out there - Schofield to wing? IIRC he started career as wingman.

Edit - not advocating Brander being dropped but we need more pace on wing and playing Sheed and Redden out there simply ain’t working.


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[Miguel Sanchez]

Out: Kennedy (managed), Petruccelle
In: Williams (debut), Jones (club debut)

B: Sheppard, Schofield, Hurn
HB: Jetta, Barrass, Duggan
C: Gaff, Redden, Brander
HF: Cripps, Allen, Shuey
F: Ryan, Darling, Ah Chee
R: Naitanui, Kelly, Yeo
I: Sheed, Rotham, Williams, Jones
E: Waterman, Petruccelle, Cole, XON

Kennedy to be rested since it’s a five-day break before the Richmond game. Allen to go forward, Williams to come in and back up NN against Lycett/Dixon, both of whom are too big for Oscar.

Jones replaces Petruccelle to provide more forward pressure and goal sense.

Structural change in the midfield - Redden to play at the coal face more and a banged up Shuey to move outside.

Persist with Rotham, don’t drop a kid after one bad game.

I’m assuming Gov won’t get up and Cameron is still unavailable.

 

[Chris_6678]

That's the puzzle.

Which two do we pick?

Jk - Struggling to get separation and impact up forward
OA - good forward/struggling in the ruck
BW - Good in ruck, fwd capacity unknown and he is untested.

Ironically, perhaps a tall forward line might help us this week against port during the day.

I don't think they have that many KPD. Perhaps we can stretch them out by going tall?

I think this week the extra tall wont hurt up to much but we would have drop a HHF in Petch or Ah Chee?

Williams is actually a pretty good forward when playing in the WAFL and spent large stints there early on last year when Vardy/Hickey were in the WAFL. Williams reminds me of a young Lycett but with a better leap.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Oscar played just 45% of the game last week.

That right there, is a tragedy. If we're going to hide a 2nd ruck on the bench due to Naitanui, it might as well be Williams.



Perhaps Williams could rest FWD more and Kennedy could spend more time rotating to the pine? That's probably too simple for our MC though.

 

[campaigner___]

Oscar played just 45% of the game last week.

That right there, is a tragedy. If we're going to hide a 2nd ruck on the bench due to Naitanui, it might as well be Williams.



Perhaps Williams could rest FWD more and Kennedy could spend more time rotating to the pine? That's probably too simple for our MC though.

MC won't do that because it makes too much logical sense. They'll just put darling in the ruck, mcgovern to HF and drop schofield.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

I never thought I'd see the day someone suggested Kennedy to the midfield (never mind the fact that he can't keep up with lumbering tall backmen anymore) but here we are

He'd be faster than Cripps.Im sure he'd get more touches there than he currently is.Plus he wouldnt have a "lumbering" Andrews type dogging his every step!

 

[Obeanie1]

Can confirm, Darling is an easy player to dislike for West Coast fans


As far as Brander goes, i'm scratching my head at all the calls for him to be dropped as well.

Why would you turf the most promising young player we have out the team? It's not his fault WCE made him slim down and turned him into Marsder.

There has been a few very successful moves playing experienced agile KP forwards on the wing. Richardson nearly won a Brownlow, Buddy has played that link role.

Yes he is playing the Marsten role as a semi defensive winger but he adds so much more, like being able to mark the ball and run quick.

Think he will end up as a KP forward or back but happy for him to "cut his teeth" on a wing if he keeps improving, which he is.

Look at what the forwards do these day s in any case, run back and forth forward to half back!!!

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't think they have that many KPD. Perhaps we can stretch them out by going tall?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

MC won't do that because it makes too much logical sense. They'll just put darling in the ruck, mcgovern to HF and drop schofield.

Maybe they think they're playing old AFL videogames and trying to earn random achievements.

The original AFL Live had one where you had to win a ruck contest with the shortest player on your list. I earned it with Lewis Broome vs Aaron Sandilands.

It's the only way certain decisions make sense.

 

[FKASC]

I earned it with Lewis Broome vs Aaron Sandilands.

Broome makes quick work of Sandilands

 

[ziad]

That's the puzzle.

Which two do we pick?

Jk - Struggling to get separation and impact up forward

JK looks out of sorts but fit? I think his seasons are numbered.

The reality is our mids are getting belted and at best kick and hope into the forward line.
We either improve up field or pick forwards who can benefit form limited chaotic entries.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Why do we have to have a defensive wingman and not two wingers that do both?

 

[Chris_6678]

Didn't realise we had a 5 day break leading into the Tigers.

I wouldn't be against resting Hurn and putting Rotham in his spot if we do bring in Gov.

 

[campaigner___]

Maybe they think they're playing old AFL videogames and trying to earn random achievements.

The original AFL Live had one where you had to win a ruck contest with the shortest player on your list. I earned it with Lewis Broome vs Aaron Sandilands.

It's the only way certain decisions make sense.

what the hell that's sick! i need to buy AFL live.