List Mgmt. Changes vs Port

[frenchconnection]

Let's be real. Simpson isn't dropping any of JK, Redden, Hurn, or Cripps this week.

Unfortunately think you may be on the money!

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

There will be minimal changes as Simpson is in denial. He will drop a fringe player like Jack Petruccelle because that is an easy decision.

From all reports Simpson is more stubborn than Worsfold so there will be no tinkering with game plan or big names dropped.

But if he wanted to make a statement he would drop Kennedy and Redden. That won't happen though.

The benefit of bringing in youth is that they are excited and hungry.

 

[ghostbat12]

Out: Petch, Ah Chee, Brander
In: Jones, Cameron, Williams.

Allen to the forwardline, Williams to the ruck. Stop playing non forwards in the forwardline. Stop playing KPF’s on the wing.

If Cameron isn’t ready, pick any old prick and stick them in the rotation. I know he’s a bit of a punchline here, but at least Ainsworth doesn’t mind getting his hands dirty. Any old bastard with heart may apply.

So you think our forward line was the problem?

Smashed in inside 50s
Smashed in contested ball
Sheed barely touched it
Kelly barely touched it
Redden barely touched it
Yeo barely touched it

And your solution is to take out forward players? Which forward line functions without ball being, you guessed it, in forward line?

Brander was not the worst. By far. At least he took a contested grab.

We keep rewarding poor performance by seemingly good players. I suspect, like any club, this will go on for 2-3 weeks as coach gives the seasoned players a chance. However after that, heads will start to roll.

 

[ghostbat12]

There will be minimal changes as Simpson is in denial. He will drop a fringe player like Jack Petruccelle because that is an easy decision.

From all reports Simpson is more stubborn than Worsfold so there will be no tinkering with game plan or big names dropped.

But if he wanted to make a statement he would drop Kennedy and Redden. That won't happen though.

The benefit of bringing in youth is that they are excited and hungry.

What reports? Stop making things up to make your point. Game plan isn’t an issue when you keep losing contested ball. How will game plan change fix that?

No club throws seasoned players after only 2 losses. And if that does t work, then what? Get rid of some more, but bring others back in? Then “reports” will be that we are a club that doesn’t know what it’s doing.

 

[ghostbat12]

Because Williams in Brander out cancels eachother.

I haven’t seen brander play in ruck and only barely played forward.

So that change doesn’t make sense. They don’t do same things.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I know the buck stops with Simpson, but he did get the side to a Grand Final twice, with different gameplans and key personnel.

We went into 2015 with Mackenzie our reigning Club Champion at full back and Mitch Brown at Centre Half Back. Combined they played what? One quarter of round one? By the Grand Final we had a new defence built around Jeremy McGovern and the web. Sharrod Wellingham was one of our best on ground in the Grand Final. Xavier Ellis and Sam Butler were also regulars down back.

In the guts, the midfield was built around the inside work of Matt Priddis.

Up forward, Josh Hill was a key player.

In 2017 we looked slow, disinterested, and well off the pace. Apart from a glorious final against Port that will live on in our hearts and memories forever, it was a shitacular season.

At the end of 2017 we had a massive clean-out. Priddis, Hill, Mitchell, Petrie, Wellingham, Butler were all moved on. In came the likes of Ryan, Rioli, Allen, Waterman. Barrass was a lock at full back.

We entered the finals without Nic Nat, Gaff and Sheppard.

We won. We ****ing won.

2020 could be the next 2017. Kennedy, Hurn, Schofield could all go at the end of the year. Same with Jetta. Then the next gen can emerge. Allen at full forward, Watson and Rotham down back.

And that's without even considering the pandemic and hub situation.

The night is darkest before the dawn.

In Simpson we trust.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

What reports? Stop making things up to make your point. Game plan isn’t an issue when you keep losing contested ball. How will game plan change fix that?

No club throws seasoned players after only 2 losses. And if that does t work, then what? Get rid of some more, but bring others back in? Then “reports” will be that we are a club that doesn’t know what it’s doing.

It is first hand knowledge. In case you are unaware, which you clearly are, Simpson almost got sacked in 2017.

Why can’t you drop seasoned players are two heavy defeats? What message are you sending to fringe players when they watch half-hearted efforts and players who are clearly past it getting picked week in week out.

Far better to give players like Brander (In a more suited forward position) Cameron (when fit) an extended run than watch Kennedy struggle to get five possessions.

 

[WCErevival]

I know the buck stops with Simpson, but he did get the side to a Grand Final twice, with different gameplans and key personnel.

We went into 2015 with Mackenzie our reigning Club Champion at full back and Mitch Brown at Centre Half Back. Combined they played what? One quarter of round one? By the Grand Final we had a new defence built around Jeremy McGovern and the web. Sharrod Wellingham was one of our best on ground in the Grand Final. Xavier Ellis and Sam Butler were also regulars down back.

In the guts, the midfield was built around the inside work of Matt Priddis.

Up forward, Josh Hill was a key player.

In 2017 we looked slow, disinterested, and well off the pace. Apart from a glorious final against Port that will live on in our hearts and memories forever, it was a shitacular season.

At the end of 2017 we had a massive clean-out. Priddis, Hill, Mitchell, Petrie, Wellingham, Butler were all moved on. In came the likes of Ryan, Rioli, Allen, Waterman. Barrass was a lock at full back.

We entered the finals without Nic Nat, Gaff and Sheppard.

We won. We ******* won.

2020 could be the next 2017. Kennedy, Hurn, Schofield could all go at the end of the year. Same with Jetta. Then the next gen can emerge. Allen at full forward, Watson and Rotham down back.

And that's without even considering the pandemic and hub situation.

The night is darkest before the dawn.

In Simpson we trust.

It was all Pyke and Mitchell. Everyone knows that.

 

[FreeTK]

I know the buck stops with Simpson, but he did get the side to a Grand Final twice, with different gameplans and key personnel.

We went into 2015 with Mackenzie our reigning Club Champion at full back and Mitch Brown at Centre Half Back. Combined they played what? One quarter of round one? By the Grand Final we had a new defence built around Jeremy McGovern and the web. Sharrod Wellingham was one of our best on ground in the Grand Final. Xavier Ellis and Sam Butler were also regulars down back.

In the guts, the midfield was built around the inside work of Matt Priddis.

Up forward, Josh Hill was a key player.

In 2017 we looked slow, disinterested, and well off the pace. Apart from a glorious final against Port that will live on in our hearts and memories forever, it was a shitacular season.

At the end of 2017 we had a massive clean-out. Priddis, Hill, Mitchell, Petrie, Wellingham, Butler were all moved on. In came the likes of Ryan, Rioli, Allen, Waterman. Barrass was a lock at full back.

We entered the finals without Nic Nat, Gaff and Sheppard.

We won. We ******* won.

2020 could be the next 2017. Kennedy, Hurn, Schofield could all go at the end of the year. Same with Jetta. Then the next gen can emerge. Allen at full forward, Watson and Rotham down back.

And that's without even considering the pandemic and hub situation.

The night is darkest before the dawn.

In Simpson we trust.

I feel like this might be the case.

I'm far from ready to throw in the towel on 2020, but it is a challenging year for the list.

JK and Hurn seem to have fallen off faster than we had expected.

The good news is we have players ready to replace them in Allen and Rotham, but they will be better with another year under their belts next year.

When other clubs lose their great players, they usually drop down to bottom 6, we have our next generation of players on our list, developing.

It's like a relay race, and this year is the baton change, which is always fraught with danger.

 

[Godfather32]

I feel like this might be the case.

I'm far from ready to throw in the towel on 2020, but it is a challenging year for the list.

JK and Hurn seem to have fallen off faster than we had expected.

The good news is we have players ready to replace them in Allen and Rotham, but they will be better with another year under their belts next year.

When other clubs lose their great players, they usually drop down to bottom 6, we have our next generation of players on our list, developing.

It's like a relay race, and this year is the baton change, which is always fraught with danger.

Does Hurn wear contacts? Because if he does I genuinely think he needs to get his prescription changed, I've never seen someone misjudge so many easy marks before.
I think our problem is the same issue we've had for years, apart from a purple patch in 2018, not enough people who can win the contested ball. We're relying on our ruckman to win the ball for us and when that doesn't work we're screwed.

 

[Tugga27]

It is first hand knowledge. In case you are unaware, which you clearly are, Simpson almost got sacked in 2017.

Why can’t you drop seasoned players are two heavy defeats? What message are you sending to fringe players when they watch half-hearted efforts and players who are clearly past it getting picked week in week out.

Far better to give players like Brander (In a more suited forward position) Cameron (when fit) an extended run than watch Kennedy struggle to get five possessions.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

"Simmo is really stubborn "Simmo nearly got the sack".
if it is common knowledge as you say, I've never read or heard anything like that.
I reckon you're making up stuff to suit your agenda.

People carrying on here like it's the end of the world.
We're 1-2 FFS.

All of a sudden, Simmo can't coach, Mitchell won us the flag etc etc.
Some of you have short memories.
Geelong are in the same boat and they're play at home.

Yep, we're not playing well.
JK and Kennedy have been putrid but name me a key forward that has been tearing it up this year?
Cripps and Petrol haven't got near it either.
Hurn and Duggan have been poor.
Shuey looked sore, Sheed and Kelly were terrible and it's all down to the coach.

Simmo will live and die by the sword.
He will back the boys in and they've usually repaid him/us.

Our next game is at day and if we can beat Port, we're 2-2.
We will also have a block of home games.
Hardly the end of the world.

 

[FreeTK]

Does Hurn wear contacts? Because if he does I genuinely think he needs to get his prescription changed, I've never seen someone misjudge so many easy marks before.
I think our problem is the same issue we've had for years, apart from a purple patch in 2018, not enough people who can win the contested ball. We're relying on our ruckman to win the ball for us and when that doesn't work we're screwed.

I get that.

To me, some of it is personnel, but a lot of it seems to be system to me.

Gaff hangs off the back off the back of the stoppage, racking up cheap disposals when the ball comes out the back and he is under pressure. We praise Gaff for his numbers, and his running power, but we saw against the Lions that Gaff's contribution isn't a contribution that swings matches with the way we currently position him.

I remember last year an article that had Gaff as the least damaging mid in the competition.

I'm not having a go at Gaffy, but its worthwhile critiquing our stoppage structure, which seems largely incapable of getting clear wins inside.

We don't get enough ball winners inside the contest, so often it is 4v2 or thereabouts.

If we can get a clear win in the stoppage, we are free and have numbers out the back, but we aren't able to get the game on our terms because we very rarely get the ball out in to space.

To me, TK's output so far this season is a testament to that. Compared to his damaing plays at Geelong, he appears neutered in our midfield.

What's baffling, is we have great ball winners in Shuey, Yeo, Kelly, but to me, the instructions are wrong.

 

[new breed]

IN - XON / Ainsworth , Williams , McGovern

OUT - Ah Chee / Petruccelli , Schofield .

Play Kelly forward more , take the pressure off .

Allen might have a rest for Williams .

 

[ghostbat12]

It is first hand knowledge. In case you are unaware, which you clearly are, Simpson almost got sacked in 2017.

Why can’t you drop seasoned players are two heavy defeats? What message are you sending to fringe players when they watch half-hearted efforts and players who are clearly past it getting picked week in week out.

Far better to give players like Brander (In a more suited forward position) Cameron (when fit) an extended run than watch Kennedy struggle to get five possessions.

Oh first hand knowledge hey.

I don’t buy your sack claims either. What is definition of close? It’s very un-wce like to sack coach after a few seasons and after grand final few years before and ageing list.

Because it matters to give club legends a chance. Matters to club, matters to players. Doesn’t matter to you, because players are cattle to most fans. Transitioning older players out is difficult and has to be managed. This is what he is doing. Stubborn? Some people do think you just need to wreak havoc. But we have seen clubs torn apart over it all the time. Let’s not have that. So that’s why I don’t buy your inside knowledge unless it’s the coach or Nisbett. Anyone else is just one opinion amongst many who make a decision. Decisions are hardly ever unanimous.

But again, we got smashed on the ball yesterday. What do you expect Kennedy to do? He can’t get the ball that is at at other end of ground!

 

[Godfather32]

I get that.

To me, some of it is personnel, but a lot of it seems to be system to me.

Gaff hangs off the back off the back of the stoppage, racking up cheap disposals when the ball comes out the back and he is under pressure. We praise Gaff for his numbers, and his running power, but we saw against the Lions that Gaff's contribution isn't a contribution that swings matches with the way we currently position him.

I remember last year an article that had Gaff as the least damaging mid in the competition.

I'm not having a go at Gaffy, but its worthwhile critiquing our stoppage structure, which seems largely incapable of getting clear wins inside.

We don't get enough ball winners inside the contest, so often it is 4v2 or thereabouts.

If we can get a clear win in the stoppage, we are free and have numbers out the back, but we aren't able to get the game on our terms because we very rarely get the ball out in to space.

To me, TK's output so far this season is a testament to that. Compared to his damaing plays at Geelong, he appears neutered in our midfield.

What's baffling, is we have great ball winners in Shuey, Yeo, Kelly, but to me, the instructions are wrong.

Agree, some of it's players (Sheed & Redden come to mind, Yeo playing like shit as well) but I think you're right about our system being terrible.
Noticed that with Gaff as well, it's like he's being positioned as the emergency relief valve but it's pointless because he just does one of those up and under around the corner kicks and the other team wins the ball back. He's being played like the outside version of Priddis at the moment.
I think we really need a better midfield coach. Everyone bangs on about the Simpson/Assistant coach thing and likes to make a joke about it but I think after Simpson the midfield coach is the most important, you need a genuinely good coach in that position and at the moment we just don't have it.

 

[Godfather32]

Oh first hand knowledge hey.

I don’t buy your sack claims either. What is definition of close? It’s very un-wce like to sack coach after a few seasons and after grand final few years before and ageing list.

Because it matters to give club legends a chance. Matters to club, matters to players. Doesn’t matter to you, because players are cattle to most fans. Transitioning older players out is difficult and has to be managed. This is what he is doing. Stubborn? Some people do think you just need to wreak havoc. But we have seen clubs torn apart over it all the time. Let’s not have that. So that’s why I don’t buy your inside knowledge unless it’s the coach or Nisbett. Anyone else is just one opinion amongst many who make a decision. Decisions are hardly ever unanimous.

But again, we got smashed on the ball yesterday. What do you expect Kennedy to do? He can’t get the ball that is at at other end of ground!

He can't get the ball if he's always beaten to it by his opponent either

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

Oh first hand knowledge hey.

I don’t buy your sack claims either. What is definition of close? It’s very un-wce like to sack coach after a few seasons and after grand final few years before and ageing list.

Because it matters to give club legends a chance. Matters to club, matters to players. Doesn’t matter to you, because players are cattle to most fans. Transitioning older players out is difficult and has to be managed. This is what he is doing. Stubborn? Some people do think you just need to wreak havoc. But we have seen clubs torn apart over it all the time. Let’s not have that. So that’s why I don’t buy your inside knowledge unless it’s the coach or Nisbett. Anyone else is just one opinion amongst many who make a decision. Decisions are hardly ever unanimous.

But again, we got smashed on the ball yesterday. What do you expect Kennedy to do? He can’t get the ball that is at at other end of ground!

You must live in a closet. Not only has been all over the media about Simpson almost getting sacked in 2017 but I have worked with current and past board members of IPL.

You don’t want to face reality and want us to mollycoddle players like Kennedy, which will result in us missing the finals and handing Geelong a nice early draft pick.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

He can't get the ball if he's always beaten to it by his opponent either

Do you realise you are admitting in that comment that Kennedy is getting beaten.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

Where do you come up with this stuff?

"Simmo is really stubborn "Simmo nearly got the sack".
if it is common knowledge as you say, I've never read or heard anything like that.
I reckon you're making up stuff to suit your agenda.

People carrying on here like it's the end of the world.
We're 1-2 FFS.

All of a sudden, Simmo can't coach, Mitchell won us the flag etc etc.
Some of you have short memories.
Geelong are in the same boat and they're play at home.

Yep, we're not playing well.
JK and Kennedy have been putrid but name me a key forward that has been tearing it up this year?
Cripps and Petrol haven't got near it either.
Hurn and Duggan have been poor.
Shuey looked sore, Sheed and Kelly were terrible and it's all down to the coach.

Simmo will live and die by the sword.
He will back the boys in and they've usually repaid him/us.

Our next game is at day and if we can beat Port, we're 2-2.
We will also have a block of home games.
Hardly the end of the world.

Making it up. You are clueless. It has been discussed on numerous sporting shows.

You live in your little bubble where everything is magically turned around. It is not going to happen. The side is structurally unbalanced and if you can’t see that stick to mopping floors for a living.

 

[Tugga27]

Making it up. You are clueless. It has been discussed on numerous sporting shows.

You live in your little bubble where everything is magically turned around. It is not going to happen. The side is structurally unbalanced and if you can’t see that stick to mopping floors for a living.

It has been discussed on forums such as this where simpletons such as yourself think they know it all.

 

[Godfather32]

Do you realise you are admitting in that comment that Kennedy is getting beaten.

Err yeah...that was my point...

 

[shooshka]

Agree, some of it's players (Sheed & Redden come to mind, Yeo playing like sh*t as well) but I think you're right about our system being terrible.
Noticed that with Gaff as well, it's like he's being positioned as the emergency relief valve but it's pointless because he just does one of those up and under around the corner kicks and the other team wins the ball back. He's being played like the outside version of Priddis at the moment.
I think we really need a better midfield coach. Everyone bangs on about the Simpson/Assistant coach thing and likes to make a joke about it but I think after Simpson the midfield coach is the most important, you need a genuinely good coach in that position and at the moment we just don't have it.

Yep, we set up to attack at stoppages when NN is there - but are struggling to get anyone or anything on the outside (how many handballs under 1m do we do per game?!). As you say, if we do it is to a stationary Gaff who kicks around the corner or off 1 step.

Then, if we so defend at a stoppage the players all get sucked in and we get burnt on the outside.

I know our forward line looks poor atm, but the way the ball is coming in I honestly don't think we can expect more (more forward pressure on the exit yes, but we have been poor at forward half crumbing for years so to magically expect it now is crazy).

Likewise our defence looks lost at times, but so do the best when the ball is coming in regularly - more often than not with limited pressure on the kicker.

Our issues are driven by a midfield lacking intensity and form at the moment (in that order). Maybe it is a credit to our coaches (the players aren't that good, but with a multi month preseason training together they can implement a system that makes them look like champions) or maybe the players aren't 100% in the game at the moment so the system is falling down. (much more likely the second). We need some honesty from the midfield coach now to snap them out of it!

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[BlueandGoldforever]

For the record, I don’t care whether Adam Simpson coaches the Eagles or not.

What I do care about is ensuring we put a structurally balanced team on the ground who are actually going to put their head over the ball, play for each other (that includes shepherding and blocking), can execute basic skills and are prepared to run both ways.

At the moment we have a bunch of sooks putting in half-hearted efforts who mostly stand away from the contest wanting someone else to do the hard work.

 

[WCErevival]

Simpson getting the sack in 2017 was just bigfooty and facebook pushing for it because everyone was frustrated. I dont think there was any suggestion the club was going to do it and good thing they didnt.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

For me the issue is that we are playing too many players in positions that they are not meant for.
In 2018 we finally stopped playing midfielders in forward lines and got forwards that could actually play the position.
We are doing the same thing this year with Sheed and Achee being played on half forward lines when they actually midfielders. Brander is also a forward and he’s being played out of position on a wing.

I would move brander forward and bring guys like Redden, Sheed or Achee in through the middle and push Kelly out onto a wing.
Petch and JK need to go and we need to bring in some small forwards such as Cameron, JJ or Treacy who are ground ball specialists.
We also need a second ruck or at least a bigger ruck forward like Vardy coz Oscar can’t compete with the big second rucks.

Something like this:

Out: JK Rotham Perch
In: Vardy Cameron JJ/Treacy

Shep Schoey Hurn
Duggan Barrass Jetta
Gaff Shuey Kelly
Cameron Brander Cripps
Ryan Darling JJ/Treacy

R: Nic Yeo Redden

I: Vardy Ahchee Sheed Oscar

Vardy to rotate through the ruck and forward line.
Oscar can give the backs a chop out or go forward if needed.
Achee and Sheed to rotate through the middle to keep our mids fresh.