List Mgmt. Changes vs Port

[jatz14]

Ok, am way out of touch with news etc, didn't know he'd had an op..but with him and Ryan upfront, be a good thing...anyways, maybe Jones is a firecracker, supposedly fast and tough..but how about we get it in the forward line first?
Anyone think we might have some advantage over Port in the conditions? Expecting a better performance, we usually match it with Port, even if they are on a winning streak?

Didnt have an op, had OP - osteitis pubus. An op would probably have been better.

 

[JADED]

Hickey has had a few games where he's close to the top in clearances. So another ruck doing the midfield job. I get that rucks can grab and kick, or are close to the action but our mids need to lift their effort big time.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yeah I mean this is technically correct given he only played 21 games last year.
What a load of sh*t, he's ready right now and he's been better the last 2 weeks than about 4 of the other KPP who are still in the side.

Last year he had a full pre season. This season he had NO pre season like at all, had hip, knee and leg issues. He grew about 3cm in the off season which led to these problems. Unfortunately he is back to square one from a physical standpoint and regressed from his first year at the club fitness and strength wise. This tends to happen with young KPPs his age sometimes

Now we can go the "Oh 4 weeks of running, lets play 100% of TOG at FF, Good luck son" and come the age of 24 he is Joe Daniher MK 2, or we can say "We have Josh Kennedy, lets get some strength and conditioning into you so you can play the 100% TOG" so when he is 24 years old he is in his prime and not on the surgery table

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Jarmaine Jones is pretty much known for being the best tackler we have. I got a feeling he plays as a defensive forward of sorts so Jamie Cripps can spend more time on a wing

 

[Godfather32]

Last year he had a full pre season. This season he had NO pre season like at all, had hip, knee and leg issues. He grew about 3cm in the off season which led to these problems. Unfortunately he is back to square one from a physical standpoint and regressed from his first year at the club fitness and strength wise. This tends to happen with young KPPs his age sometimes

Now we can go the "Oh 4 weeks of running, lets play 100% of TOG at FF, Good luck son" and come the age of 24 he is Joe Daniher MK 2, or we can say "We have Josh Kennedy, lets get some strength and conditioning into you so you can play the 100% TOG" so when he is 24 years old he is in his prime and not on the surgery table

Why does he have to play 100% time on ground if he plays full forward? And he was omitted, not rested this week so the match committee obviously don't think he has fitness issues (and if they were worried about it I'm not sure he'd have been thrown in the ruck the last two weeks).

 

[shooshka]

Jarmaine Jones is pretty much known for being the best tackler we have. I got a feeling he plays as a defensive forward of sorts so Jamie Cripps can spend more time on a wing

That's what I like to hear. Our forward pressure (actually pressure in general) has been lacking since the restart.

If we can get JJ, Cripps and Ryan all chasing and harassing that will go a long way to winning the game (obviously the other part is our mids winning it so that we get the i50's in the first place, but the forwards are often responsible for the repeat i50's).

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why does he have to play 100% time on ground if he plays full forward? And he was omitted, not rested this week so the match committee obviously don't think he has fitness issues (and if they were worried about it I'm not sure he'd have been thrown in the ruck the last two weeks).

Well Josh Kennedy is playing 85 odd percent since the 16 minute and thats been to tend to knocks he got for the most part so its just what is needed you will find. Id suspect JK plays 90 odd percent today for example of the game. Its a different type of fitness required also then playing ruck as you want your FF to be able to do the quick 100m bursts and Allen doesnt really have the tank for that atm thanks to his bad pre season. He is more in your contested mark in a pack FF at the moment and that is not the game style we want to play at all. We play too hit the leading forward target. ATM playing Allen over Kennedy would just be surrendering to our weakness of not winning the contested ball and playing catchup on the notion we are going to need contested marks in F50 to ever score. You got to play your forward 50 on the proviso you will get good delivery, you dont play your forward 50 on the proviso you will lose so lets roll out plan B

In any case they literally said they dropped him because he isnt physically ready to be a backup ruck. That is a fitness and condition issue. He lost a fair bit of strength in the off season. He literally did nothing for 6 months because of his injury issues.

I think people are underestimating just how bad his pre season was in all reality. It also isnt a big deal at all. Their is 100s of examples of 2nd year KPP having the same injury issues he has. Hell, Josh Kennedy went through the same thing at Carlton. Carlton eased him in. Joe Daniher had the same thing and Essendon said, **** it and played him. Id rather end up with the next Josh Kennedy then the next Joe Daniher and if we need to wait another 8 weeks to achieve that then so be it. We have plenty of time to wait

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

That's what I like to hear. Our forward pressure (actually pressure in general) has been lacking since the restart.

If we can get JJ, Cripps and Ryan all chasing and harassing that will go a long way to winning the game (obviously the other part is our mids winning it so that we get the i50's in the first place, but the forwards are often responsible for the repeat i50's).

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Unlike Petch also we can chuck him into the centre square for a few midfield minutes too as he can keep his body over the ball.

 

[Godfather32]

Well Josh Kennedy is playing 85 odd percent since the 16 minute and thats been to tend to knocks he got for the most part so its just what is needed you will find. Id suspect JK plays 90 odd percent today for example of the game. Its a different type of fitness required also then playing ruck as you want your FF to be able to do the quick 100m bursts and Allen doesnt really have the tank for that atm thanks to his bad pre season. He is more in your contested mark in a pack FF at the moment and that is not the game style we want to play at all. We play too hit the leading forward target. ATM playing Allen over Kennedy would just be surrendering to our weakness of not winning the contested ball and playing catchup on the notion we are going to need contested marks in F50 to ever score. You got to play your forward 50 on the proviso you will get good delivery, you dont play your forward 50 on the proviso you will lose so lets roll out plan B

In any case they literally said they dropped him because he isnt physically ready to be a backup ruck. That is a fitness and condition issue. He lost a fair bit of strength in the off season. He literally did nothing for 6 months because of his injury issues.

I think people are underestimating just how bad his pre season was in all reality. It also isnt a big deal at all. Their is 100s of examples of 2nd year KPP having the same injury issues he has. Hell, Josh Kennedy went through the same thing at Carlton. Carlton eased him in. Joe Daniher had the same thing and Essendon said, fu** it and played him. Id rather end up with the next Josh Kennedy then the next Joe Daniher and if we need to wait another 8 weeks to achieve that then so be it. We have plenty of time to wait

So he doesn't have to play 100% of the game to replace Kennedy then? Plus you've also got the option of the resting ruck (preferably Bailey Williams) playing full forward for parts of the game.
I don't know if you've watched the last two weeks but our two key forwards have done virtually nothing, Kennedy has hardly been moving, nevermind running quick 100m bursts. Playing Allen instead of Kennedy is inevitable, I just think it should be happening now.
Of course Allen is physically not ready to play backup ruck, he's not a f***** ruck, he's a key forward. The bloke's giving up 10cm on guys and we're expecting him to play out of position and do well (which he has in fact been doing imo). How many times has Kennedy rucked the last 10 seasons?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So he doesn't have to play 100% of the game to replace Kennedy then? Plus you've also got the option of the resting ruck (preferably Bailey Williams) playing full forward for parts of the game.
I don't know if you've watched the last two weeks but our two key forwards have done virtually nothing, Kennedy has hardly been moving, nevermind running quick 100m bursts. Playing Allen instead of Kennedy is inevitable, I just think it should be happening now.
Of course Allen is physically not ready to play backup ruck, he's not a f***** ruck, he's a key forward. The bloke's giving up 10cm on guys and we're expecting him to play out of position and do well (which he has in fact been doing imo). How many times has Kennedy rucked the last 10 seasons?

He has to double his current TOG stats for the year which is a dair leap.

I dont think our coaches would be under the impression that JK and Darling are too blame for the lack of supply. Deadset reality is our midfield has been absolutely shithouse. Thats where the problem starts. Moving people out whose success and failure is determined by the midfield when the only baseline you have is 2 horrid performances from the midfield is a bit of a early leap at best. Id rather Josh Kennedys game be judged on how he goes when our midfield decides to turn up. If we win the contested ball today, get some clean supply and JK kicks 1 goal and gets 4 disposals, then its time to worry. If our midfield kicks it to him 3 on 1 and he doesnt mark it ever, but Oscar Allen marks it 2 times a game for example, that isnt exactly a endorsement to say Allen should now play ahead of Kennedy. We shouldnt judge a forwards impact on his ability to impact the game when our midfield is useless because we are fixing the wrong problem.

A forwards game is rated on other metrics then "Why didnt you win that 3 on 1 contest" for example. Guys like JK and JD have metrics around leading/defensive pressure/contests and what not. If they are meeting that which they are, then we look further down the ground and then look at other stats. You then look at our clearances, our contested ball winning, thats where they then find the problems and make changes to fix, which they did this week by getting Hickey into the ruck and Jarmaine Jones in ahead of Petch so Jones can take a few contests and give a extra rotation Petch cannot give us

In the end our game plan is about a leading full forward. My question is over the last 14 months of football, whose been the better leading forward? Kennedy or Allen?

 

[SloppyJoe]

Our midfield depth just isn't there. If Hutch was fit I suspect he'd be in the team instead of Redden.

 

[RookiePick]

They say absence makes the heart grow fonder and its at work here.

Redden is perfectly capable of playing a lock down role - he's a strong tackler and probably our niggliest midfielder tbh - but he's not playing that role. This tells my we are trying to play without a tagger, at least the past two weeks.

 

[Obeanie1]

Good chance he is late in if Gov doesn't come up.

We are definitely going to lose if Gov is down on mobility with an ankle that isn't 100%

Dont play players with injuries, esoecially dodgy ankles.

 

[RookiePick]

Dont play players with injuries, esoecially dodgy ankles.

100 percent agree. Not our MC preferred style though it seems.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Yeo is the mid that needs to lift the most, I hear he's had a back complaint so I'm not sure if that's a real hinderance for him. If he is injured and can't perform then play someone else, if he isn't injured then give him a rocket, cos he needs to fire up!

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Yeo is the mid that needs to lift the most, I hear he's had a back complaint so I'm not sure if that's a real hinderance for him. If he is injured and can't perform then play someone else, if he isn't injured then give him a rocket, cos he needs to fire up!

He's the only mid that lays a tackle or provides any sort of defensive pressure.

Whole midfiled group needs to lift and play as a team.

 

[Godfather32]

A forwards game is rated on other metrics then "Why didnt you win that 3 on 1 contest" for example. Guys like JK and JD have metrics around leading/defensive pressure/contests and what not. If they are meeting that which they are, then we look further down the ground and then look at other stats. You then look at our clearances, our contested ball winning, thats where they then find the problems and make changes to fix, which they did this week by getting Hickey into the ruck and Jarmaine Jones in ahead of Petch so Jones can take a few contests and give a extra rotation Petch cannot give us

In the end our game plan is about a leading full forward. My question is over the last 14 months of football, whose been the better leading forward? Kennedy or Allen?

Interesting that you would know that information.
I'm not in any way saying that our midfield hasn't been shit the last two weeks but so has our forward line. Dropped marks, second to the ball, no pressure on the rebound, not contesting the ball enough when it hits the ground (although that could be said of all our lines), our talls getting outbodied and outmarked by younger guys.
I actually hope Kennedy comes out and kicks a bag of 10 today but I don't think it's going to happen. The Kennedy from 14 months ago is not the same Kennedy that is running around out there today so I'm not sure why it matters what he did at the start of last season. And sure Allen hasn't been much of a lead up forward but that's because he's been thrown all around the ground and hasn't had the chance to actually play much as a lead up forward.
At the end of the day I think Allen is too good to leave out of the side at this point in time, I think he's been one of the only shining lights from the last couple of matches so I don't think he should have been dropped.

 

[Astro7]

Didnt have an op, had OP - osteitis pubus. An op would probably have been better.

haha, or maybe he had an osteitis pubis, a singular pubis, my bad?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Yeo is the mid that needs to lift the most, I hear he's had a back complaint so I'm not sure if that's a real hinderance for him. If he is injured and can't perform then play someone else, if he isn't injured then give him a rocket, cos he needs to fire up!

Statistically speaking he's the only midfielder who's actually doing his job, as far as contested possessions and tackles go. Despite the fact he's been "off".

He's in 3rd gear and still our best performed mid (other than Gaff) which speaks volumes about the others.


It's the Kelly's, Sheeds, Shuey's and Reddens who need to lift.

 

[ziad]

He's the only mid that lays a tackle or provides any sort of defensive pressure.

Whole midfiled group needs to lift and play as a team.

As a team we have become too easy to play against. Hunted not the hunter.

 

[Godfather32]

As a team we have become too easy to play against. Hunted not the hunter.

I would describe it as soft

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Gov didn’t get up, replaced by Schoey

 

[Dark Sharks]

Spewing. He's usually good vs Port.

 

[06Premiers]

That's ok. He'll just top his effort from 2018.

In late off his deathbed to kick a goal after the siren.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Statistically speaking he's the only midfielder who's actually doing his job, as far as contested possessions and tackles go. Despite the fact he's been "off".

He's in 3rd gear and still our best performed mid (other than Gaff) which speaks volumes about the others.


It's the Kelly's, Sheeds, Shuey's and Reddens who need to lift.

Tackling because he's second to the ball