Changes vs Richmond

[The Donners]

Possible Outs: Hooker - Reimers - Watson - Lucas

Possible Ins: Neagle - Houli - Skipworth - Monfries - NLM - Bellchambers

I can't agree here. Neagle has the turning circle of a Mack truck, is overweight and can't play out more than a quarter of football.

I had big wraps for Neagle but if the penny doesn't drop soon it's curtains me thinks!

 

[Boucks09]

Some interesting points raised on here.

I'm all for dropping McVeigh. He has had two deplorable weeks and needs to get his head right. I don't even care about his output, it's his demeanour (at Essendon we know what that word means) and complete lack of leadership which is concerning me at the moment.

The chances are that it won't happen though. He should be put on ball and told, get the ball and show us what you can do otherwise you're off to Bendigo.

I can't believe the stick Lucas is getting after 1 bad game. The chances are that this is his final year, but he won't get dropped this week. We have altered our forward structure the last few weeks with Reimers and Lonergan starting deep especially in the first half of games.

Monfiries will play this week I feel. The reason we didn't 'miss him' against Sydney was because of the SCG ground. Leading half forward players can be bypassed when you use the corridor at the SCG as well as we did. On larger grounds they become more important as we saw on Friday night.

Watson copped a corkie and should come up.

Bellchambers should come in this week for Hooker. He has played some solid minutes for Bendigo and could provide a solid chop out for Ryder. Given how impressive and versatile Hurley has been he will keep his spot over Hooker. I feel with Hurley and McPhee can both be rotated back and forward depending on match ups which gives us great flexibility.

Reimers is my favourite player but he is under the pump. He is fading out of games and making some shocking clangers. He needs to get more game time on ball at Bendigo and regain some confidence.

Ins: Bellchambers, Monfries

Outs: Hooker, Reimers

 

[Synth]

Lucas, Lloyd, Reimers is not going to be a forwardline to win us a flag.

Guys that could/will come in:
Neagel, Daniher, Laycock, Gumbleton

Lucas wont be here next year so why don't we give game time to those that will.

Lucas did sweet F A on Friday so why not bring in Neagle/Daniher. If they do the same then at least they are getting game time for the future.

 

[The Donners]

Lucas, Lloyd, Reimers is not going to be a forwardline to win us a flag.

Guys that could/will come in:
Neagel, Daniher, Laycock, Gumbleton

Lucas wont be here next year so why don't we give game time to those that will.

Lucas did sweet F A on Friday so why not bring in Neagle/Daniher. If they do the same then at least they are getting game time for the future.

Yes to Daniher, no to Neagle. Laycock is out for the season and Gumbleton won't play senior football this year.

 

[Yoda_]

I like the idea of bringing in Bellchambers, but in reality, he wont come in, although we could reduce the workload in Ryder, the calls to bring in Monfries as that small crumbing forward obviously do not watch that much football either, he gains most of his goals via a mark, and when he does crumb, it is often only because he just happens to be in the right spot at the right time, leaving out Watson may also seem like a good option as he has taken on a very heavy work load this year, but with the 7 day turnaround is there any point, he should be over his little niggle by then, and as for people that continually say that Lucas and Lloyd will not win us a flag, what position are we in at the moment, what cattle do we have to come in and take over these positions, we have them at the moment playing some solid football, so keep them. As for possible ins, Skippy seemed to dominate from all reports and could come in for injured Riemers who seems more likely for a run in the twos, leave Monfries on the outter, he is not a fully fledged star of the ilk of a Lloyd, and needs to earn his spot back in the senior side, Houli from all reports was awesome (again) in the maggoos, but who do you drop for him, we play him in defence and then he takes a midfielder or forwards spot when he does come into the senior side; interesting! Just a few points on some of the changes that could occur this week, I will review my changes once the team is actually annoucned on Friday afternoon.

 

[lamaros]

Honestly I thought Lucas has a couple of good games before friday and was getting back to some old form. Took some contested marks and was kicking for goal better than Lloyd. Not going to dump on him just yet.

I would have liked to see Myers come in but he took a knock for Bendigo. I think Houli probably deserves a run.

Skipworth, NLM, Monfries and Houli are probably the guys with a chance to come in. Reimers, Lonergan, Hooker under the gun.

 

[d-mac3276]

Why does everyone want wholesale changes i mean we were beaten by a very good side by 5 goals and most of the goals were from bull crap decisions so it should of been closer.
Just coz we lose desn't mean we should change a quarter of our side.

 

[yaco55]

In

Monfries
Houli

Out

Lucas
Lonergan

 

[flow_ryder]

Say bring in Bellchambers, reckon Hooker could do really well on the wing his verstaile

 

[Seb78]

In: Monfries
Out: Reimers (if inj)

Don't really see the need for to many changes you could maybe bring in Zaharakis to give Longeran a rest

 

[nighthawk]

Out: Hooker, Reimers
In: Monfries, Skipworth

I think Skipworth is good enough for the ones, considering everyone has been waiting for their chance to criticise him, and he hasn't really given anyone reason to. His form in the VFL, and form when he was in the AFL, should be enough to warrant his inclusion. May not be the most flashy of players, but consistently delivers results, and that touch of consistency and maturity he brings is invaluable to our side.

 

[Donakebab]

Out: Hooker, Reimers
In: Monfries, Skipworth

I think Skipworth is good enough for the ones, considering everyone has been waiting for their chance to criticise him, and he hasn't really given anyone reason to. His form in the VFL, and form when he was in the AFL, should be enough to warrant his inclusion. May not be the most flashy of players, but consistently delivers results, and that touch of consistency and maturity he brings is invaluable to our side.

You obviously don't read these boards enough. Probably the most criticised player on here. Personally I'm a fan and it's evident so are the coaching staff and selection committee. If he's fit then he will be in the side.

I agree with the comments about Spike,, but I just don't see him being dropped. Not yet anyway.

In: Monfries, Skipworth, Bellchambers.
Out: Riemers, Lucas, Hooker.

If Jobe is rested, Myers and Houli are the two I'd be looking at.

I'd also be interested to see Hurley given another go up forward this week, along with McPhee. Both are great strong marks and should generate some goal scoring options, which is essential to look for with a finals birth looming as a big possibility.

 

[daffo]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bellchambers given another couple of games towards the end of the year.
If Hooker does get dropped we'll need to keep Hurley in the backline for most/all of the game.

 

[Barnzy]

We will probably get smashed. Would like to see Hurley line up on Post.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

This is a real danger game for the Bombers *muffled laughter*

 

[bomberfan101]

This is a real danger game for the Bombers *muffled laughter*

When the Pies belt you guys and we belt the tigers, the percentages will be alot closer than what they are now Looking forward you also have more beltings from Geelong and Adelaide...good luck holding your spot on the ladder above us

 

[ant555]

Lots of calls for Monfries to come in.
Will he actually be right to go ? He did not do full training last week.
Sorry but i am not all that keen on bringing in blokes with 1 weeks training after having a soft tissue injury.
Skippy and Houli have the form on the board in the VFL and are match fit.

 

[Godzke]

I think we really missed Monfries on Friday night. Whether it was to do with the Bulldogs' defence, or our own terrible forward structure, we simply had no effective system going into our forward fifty.

Nearly every forward entry seemed to be 'booted' into the 50 in hope; high balls that were never of any benefit to us. Lake and co. would go third-man up and take an easy mark. I put it down to terrible midfield service, but also our lack of any decent forward structure.

This is where Gus would've been bloody handy; even though he might've only had a 15 possession and 1 goal game, his leads up and sure hands would've allowed us to enter our own foward fifty with greater effect.
With Lucas playing so ordinarily for most of this year, it is apparent that Monfries is effectively the equivalent of our CHF at times, and it allows Lloyd to lead out the goal square more often; the place he'll do the most damage.

I agree that Lucas hasn't been convincing at all, sadly.

I am going crazy hearing about the poor delivery into the forward line.

The delivery into the forward line was solid, without being ,great.

One of the reasons players bombed the ball into the 50 was because our leading players couldn't mark the ball in the first half.

2 other points

- Lake dominated in the second half only as a third man up
- EFC took one mark in their forward 50 in the first half.

Sorry whomb but you're wrong here...

I was at the game too and every time we got the ball in the middle I immediately looked to Lloyd and our other forwards leading from deep within the 50 and they failed almost every time.

Lloyd particularly. He can mark, he can kick but he can't lead to save his life. It's been the story of his year so far. He either leads way too early which sees him already up at the 50m arc (with a paddock of space behind him) when we're looking to drill it in from 60-70m out or he's motionlesss deep in the forward line... sometimes one-on-one ... often in a pack type situation.

Lake may've played well, but Lloyd was still terrible. Naturally you can't drop the captain but he would be under more pressure than Lucas right now if he wasn't the captain.

Other players just need a kick up the bum. Andrew Lovett needs one for discipline. Leading disposal getter with 27 possies, he's the "go to" man in the midfield when handballing to a running midfielder. His skills are excellent and decision making is usually spot on but his execution is lazy (loopy handballs, 9-iron kicks, etc.) ... his stats reflected that vs. the dogs at 59% efficiency.

My Changes:

OUTs: Reimers (if inj), Watson (if needing a rest)
INs: Monfries (if ready), Skipworth

If Kinghts feels Ryder is starting to really tire then bring in Bell-end Chambers for Hooker.

 

[Kong]

Sorry whomb but you're wrong here...

I was at the game too and every time we got the ball in the middle I immediately looked to Lloyd and our other forwards leading from deep within the 50 and they failed almost every time.

I did say that it was a combination of both poor delivery and poor forward structure. I don't think I have much to defend here.

Lloyd particularly. He can mark, he can kick but he can't lead to save his life.

One of Lloyd's strengths is his leads and sure-hands. They're not quite what they were a few years ago, but they can still be a weapon. I think his poor timing reflects more on our own forward set-up and congestion through the middle-forward 50.

If there isn't an option to kick to, I'd rather see our players work it around with smaller kicks to each other with pin-point passes than simply bombing it in and hoping for the best. Nearly every time we kicked it high into our 50 which was to the advantage of third-man-up-Lake; this is reflected in the stat that we had 1 mark inside our forward fifty to half-time.

 

[Godzke]

Delivery could've been better ... it can always be better. But I've noticed that Lloyd's new found love of pushing up the ground for a few more possessions has increased his tendency to lead too early. Which is extremely frustrating.

And even though I prefer to see the midfield chip it around and work for an opening, you can hardly berate someone like Dempsey who gets the ball in the backline, runs 50m down the wing ... then stops ... starts ... waits ... waits ... fk it, i'm kicking it BEFORE wbd players get numbers back.

 

[Valve Bounce]

OUTs: Reimers (if inj), Watson (if needing a rest)
INs: Monfries (if ready), Skipworth

If Kinghts feels Ryder is starting to really tire then bring in Bell-end Chambers for Hooker.

re:Watson. I was sitting behind the bench and listening to the match at the same time. Doc Whatsisname said that Watson was being looked at - didn't know if it was his ankle or what, but he was being attended to on the mat. Hope he is 100% now; waiting for efc to confirm.

I don't think we can afford to rest Ryder, because that could make it difficult to beat the Tigers. (Tank or not tank, that is the question).

 

[Scooter505]

Delivery definately could've been better, like O'Donnel said at 1/4 time they kept looking for lloyd and kicking it to him over hid head on 1on1's, where they should get it down lower. You have to give lloydy a break though, he got both his goals from good leads not to meantion the 2 gettable shots he shanked. His Forward 50 leads might get better too if they just played him out of the square, I don't know why they don't. Lake holding onto Lloyd's jumper wouldn't have haleped his leads either.

There were also a lot of times where lake managed to take a mark in the middle of the forward 50 with 5 other bulldogs around him and about 2 bombers. The forward set-up no doubt made delivery hard but Lake shouldn't be wandering off Lloyd and taking uncontested marks.

Idno why Lucas always cops it though. Sure he's slow but he did come off a non-ideal pre-season with knee surgury, so he needs a bit of a break. He's never been a huge goal scorer, averaging 1.8 goals per game. He's well above that in the past few weeks though, 16 goals in 6 games being a solid effort.

Seeing as Hurley has stepped up down back, Bellchambers should replace hooker and give ryder a break. Monfries also seems like he'll be coming in judging by what Knights has said.

 

[AFL LEGEND]

I like the idea of bringing in Bellchambers, but in reality, he wont come in, although we could reduce the workload in Ryder, the calls to bring in Monfries as that small crumbing forward obviously do not watch that much football either, he gains most of his goals via a mark, and when he does crumb, it is often only because he just happens to be in the right spot at the right time, leaving out Watson may also seem like a good option as he has taken on a very heavy work load this year, but with the 7 day turnaround is there any point, he should be over his little niggle by then, and as for people that continually say that Lucas and Lloyd will not win us a flag, what position are we in at the moment, what cattle do we have to come in and take over these positions, we have them at the moment playing some solid football, so keep them. As for possible ins, Skippy seemed to dominate from all reports and could come in for injured Riemers who seems more likely for a run in the twos, leave Monfries on the outter, he is not a fully fledged star of the ilk of a Lloyd, and needs to earn his spot back in the senior side, Houli from all reports was awesome (again) in the maggoos, but who do you drop for him, we play him in defence and then he takes a midfielder or forwards spot when he does come into the senior side; interesting! Just a few points on some of the changes that could occur this week, I will review my changes once the team is actually annoucned on Friday afternoon.

Lots of calls for Monfries to come in.
Will he actually be right to go ? He did not do full training last week.
Sorry but i am not all that keen on bringing in blokes with 1 weeks training after having a soft tissue injury.
Skippy and Houli have the form on the board in the VFL and are match fit.

Seems a few valid points here, Monfries does not deserve his spot straight back into the side, and in fact, play Skipworth ahead of 'Gus", make 'Gus earn his spot back in the senior side, as HFF_07, he is not a Lloyd who deserves his spot straight in the senior side.

 

[DonMania#5]

Monfries to play
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/81055/default.aspx

 

[Godzke]

I don't think we can afford to rest Ryder, because that could make it difficult to beat the Tigers. (Tank or not tank, that is the question).

I didn't mean resting Ryder by giving him the week off but rather bring in a proper ruckman at the expense of a 4th choice KP backmen / avg 2nd choice ruckmen. Takes some considerable pressure of Ryder while still having him there as an option for rucking.

Hooker's position is under threat from Hurley ... because he's played as an important KP backmen for most of the year. But now Hurley's back, and Fletcher, so he's gone from 2nd choice to 4th.

Knights may very well try something with Hurley up forward but i prefer the only changes up forward to be Monfries and maybe Neagle (form permitting -- and not at the expense of Lucas).

Neagle in for Davey may be a good one ... resting those indigenous players who need to be treated carefully because they can burn out easily (ie. like his older brother a few years ago) may be a smart move as well.

Sure it's a rival team and in some sense a danger match but i think we can afford to be a little risky in our selection this week without throwing out too much balance.