Prediction Changes Vs St Kilda round 19

[Doashuey]

I agree we got him as a RUCK/fwd.

We've just butchered it by turning a big kid into a scrawny young man (comparatively) who gets outbodied all the time and can't seem to influence a contest. Concrete hands and poor timing of his best attribute - his leap - compounds things.

I remember someone else who couldnt time a ruck leap- "Up the ****ING Coasters" Lycett spent a good part of his career, even well into 2018 jumping way to early and usually contesting the ruck with both feet back on the ground. Then it clicked at the end of 2018.

This board is writing off Bailey way to early IMO (WCE BF and young developing rucks - name a more iconic duo). I think the recruitment team will stick BW and Jamo for at least another 1-2 years and see how they go after 50 games. We should also get a ruck prospect in this draft to develop and step up if one or both of these guys dont look any good in 2 years time.

 

[new breed]

IN - West - Clark - Rotham

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

So anyway, Rotham, Clark, West and SPS are on an extended bench with Culley, XON, Jamieson and Witherden.

Suspect there’ll be large-scale riots if either of those first two is dropped.

 

[Ochre]

Rotham for Jamo and West for Witherden/Foley the two possibilities you'd expect.

 

[UseR2006]

I suspect SPS goes back to WAFL for a full game, Same with West coming off his Achilles soreness.
The interesting moves will be around Clark and Rotham.

I think Witherden goes out for Rotham

Who goes out for Clark will be the interesting problem.

 

[Doashuey]

I suspect SPS goes back to WAFL for a full game, Same with West coming off his Achilles soreness.
The interesting moves will be around Clark and Rotham.

I think Witherden goes out for Rotham

Who goes out for Clark will be the interesting problem.

Who plays the dead HFF? Foley.

So there it is, Clark for Foley.

Jokes aside, Clark would come in for Kelly if he misses. Think Rotham will come in for Jamo as a 2nd ruck option if they decide to rest him (sounds like they will).
Despite my dislike for the player and the absolute razzing he got on here, I didnt mind Withos game on the weekend. While Bruest did kick 6 on him, it could be argued tha't most of those werent due to Witho directly and he is an outstanding small/mid forward who was on.Sometimes that is hard to stop.
Witho was actually pretty solid with most of his touches, took some important marks and had more tackles than any other backman. I reckon the MC will keep him in.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Surely SPS comes in given he shouldn’t have lost his spot in the first place.

 

[Bacchus]

That’s not how I recollect it at all.

Thought he was recruited as a ruck with a big leap that could also play forward. Lycett had left that offseason and we had an injured NicNat and a couple of journeymen in Hickey and Vardy, so a young ruck prospect was very much a need.

Bailey Williams Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Bailey Williams is the standout ruck/forward in this year's pool, with brilliant athleticism and strong hands overhead."

central.rookieme.com

The above description from Rookie Me Central at the time of his recruitment shows him to be as much if not more of a forward than a ruck. Perhaps‘versatile tall’ is the phrase that describes him best. He was definitely not playing as purely a ruck when recruited, nor even a ruck who rested forward, but rather the other way around, primarily a forward player who played in the ruck. West Coast have been grooming/ developing him as a primary ruck but that was not what he was when recruited.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Bailey Williams Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Bailey Williams is the standout ruck/forward in this year's pool, with brilliant athleticism and strong hands overhead."

central.rookieme.com

The above description from Rookie Me Central at the time of his recruitment shows him to be as much if not more of a forward than a ruck. Perhaps‘versatile tall’ is the phrase that describes him best. He was definitely not playing as purely a ruck when recruited, nor even a ruck who rested forward, but rather the other way around, primarily a forward player who played in the ruck. West Coast have been grooming/ developing him as a primary ruck but that was not what he was when recruited.

The summary at the top literally describes him as a ruck/forward.

 

[new breed]

Foley named on the wing , " I think he plays " .

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Culley named out on AFL.

WTF

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Culley Is Done

 

[Doashuey]

Culley named out on AFL.

WTF

Culley= None

 

[Bacchus]

The summary at the top literally describes him as a ruck/forward.

Did you read the full article apart from the initial description?

It focuses on his goal kicking not his ruck play - hardly an emphasis that you would expect for a Grundy type or even a Lycett type. 25 goals in 14 games but problems with his accuracy. If he was mainly a ruck this would not form the ‘body’ of the article. Consequently, I disagree with your description. He was not and may never be a ‘first ruck’. 2nd ruck, ruck/forward - yes. But this is getting into semantics. My point is that he wasn’t basically a ruck like NN or Grundy or like types. WC is trying to make him into this, maybe he doesn’t really fit - surprise,surprise.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Did you read the full article apart from the initial description?

It focuses on his goal kicking not his ruck play - hardly an emphasis that you would expect for a Grundy type or even a Lycett type. 25 goals in 14 games but problems with his accuracy. If he was mainly a ruck this would not form the ‘body’ of the article. Consequently, I disagree with your description. He was not and may never be a ‘first ruck’. 2nd ruck, ruck/forward - yes. But this is getting into semantics.

He was drafted as a ruck/forward or a forward/ruck, not sure whether the club thought of him as more of one than the other, but rucking was always part of the equation. Its not like they drafted a key forward and then decided to turn him into a ruck because he’s tall.

My point is that he wasn’t basically a ruck like NN or Grundy or like types. WC is trying to make him into this, maybe he doesn’t really fit - surprise,surprise.

You don’t think that’s basically out of necessity now? The only other ruck available is Jamieson who’s even less ready for the number 1 spot than he is.

Even in the pre-season, he was playing as backup in the WAFL with Strnadica taking most of the ruck contests.

 

[KBLT]

If Culley is out, I'll flip my shit.

 

[Bacchus]

He was drafted as a ruck/forward or a forward/ruck, not sure whether the club thought of him as more of one than the other, but rucking was always part of the equation. Its not like they drafted a key forward and then decided to turn him into a ruck because he’s tall.



You don’t think that’s basically out of necessary now? The only other ruck available is Jamieson who’s even less ready for the number 1 spot than he is.

Even in the pre-season, he was playing as backup in the WAFL with Strnadica taking most of the ruck contests.

I am not saying that he was drafted as simply a forward but as a player who could do both (perhaps like Jack Williams) unlike Broadbent for example who would be drafted as a ruck.

My point is the fact that we have BW as no.1 (out of necessity - agreed) with Jamieson backing him up (when fit) is poor planning and list management. Admittedly, Strnadica leaving mid season (wonder what happened there?) has left them exposed.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I am not saying that he was drafted as simply a forward but as a player who could do both (perhaps like Jack Williams) unlike Broadbent for example who would be drafted as a ruck.

You’ve changed your position since this started.

Yes. it’s the club’s fault. As I remember it, B Williams was recruited as a KPF and we’ve tried to make him into a main ruck. A bit like recruiting hbfs and trying to make them into midfielders or vice versa.

As have I. I thought he was more of a ruck that went forward.

My point is the fact that we have BW as no.1 (out of necessity - agreed) with Jamieson backing him up (when fit) is poor planning and list management. Admittedly, Strnadica leaving mid season (wonder what happened there?) has left them exposed.

I don’t think the lack of another option is for lack of trying. They targeted Sweet but couldn’t get him out of the Bulldogs, then picked up Strnadica which didn’t work out.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

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Culley= None

Thanks

Footy Live had him as out

 

[Bacchus]

You’ve changed your position since this started.



As have I. I thought he was more of a ruck that went forward.



I don’t think the lack of another option is for lack of trying. They targeted Sweet but couldn’t get him out of the Bulldogs, then picked up Strnadica which didn’t work out.

For whatever reasons the team is undermanned in a key position. Highly dependent on an aging, injury prone Naitanui. Badly needs addressing this off season.

 

[joeyavalanche]

Simmo = we’re going to be trying some different positions in the final rounds

Also Simmo = Gaff named to play on the ball

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[LittleFires]

Simmo = we’re going to be trying some different positions in the final rounds

Also Simmo = Gaff named to play on the ball

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He was named on ball against Carlton and only had about 3 CBAs.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He was named on ball against Carlton and only had about 3 CBAs.

Been named there most weeks. Has only attended about one in every 12 centre bounces since the bye.

 

[Obeanie1]

Jamieson a chance to play? After being subbed off following no visible injury? And iced up? In the last quarter when we were still in the game but lacking run? And replaced by the speedy SPS?

Medi-sub rule at its finest.

Icing the upper quad / groin.

Didnt know players had to snap something in order to be subbed off.

So you never know.

I wanted Kelly subbed off as he couldnt kick or make an impact. He was obviously strugggling but may be good this week.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Been named there most weeks. Has only attended about one in every 12 centre bounces since the bye.

All part of a long-term cunning plan to lull St Kilda into a false sense of security so they aren't prepared for Gaff at the bounce, slamming the ball onto his left boot. They'll never see it coming.