What's the basis for dropping Jong and Williams over Dunkley and Honeychurch? The latter two had minimal impact on the match.
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Analysis Changes vs Swans 2/7/16
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What's the basis for dropping Jong and Williams over Dunkley and Honeychurch? The latter two had minimal impact on the match.
Weren't you saying a few days ago that you don't like having Jong bouncing between VFL and AFL so regularly (sorry if it was someone else saying this, just going off memory)?
Anyone else agree with Dickson and/or Wallis heading back to footscray to gain form? Baffles me as to why Wallis performs better without libba in the side, particularly this year with Tom playing more outside...
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Firstly I'm not assessing the changes based on the game against Geelong. If I was I'd be dropping our entire forwardline and midfield, starting with Redpath and ending with Hunter.
Honeychurch has had one excellent week and one bad, deserves a chance at redemption and is also the only one suited to covering for Dahlhaus' injury and role.
Williams fades in and out of games and I needed to bring Wood back for another defender. Jong isn't in my best team when Koby is fit as they are both very similar with Stevens being better in most ways.
I guess you could make an argument for dropping Dunkley and playing Jong forward but I'd prefer Dunks in that role. I did toy with dropping him for Webb though, but not having actually watched the vfl game I can't comment on whether Webby has improved his inside work enough.
It obviously all depends on who is available. Having said that, I'm not a big fan of playing underdone guys. After a lengthy absence (i.e. more than three weeks), only gold plated A graders, important structural players and captains should come straight back into the AFL side. Wood ticks all three boxes and should come straight back in, if available.
In: Wood
Out: Roberts
This is not intended to make Roberts the fall guy for our loss. His form has been reasonable over the past month, but the Swans are not overly tall in the forward line in the absence of Tippet (someone correct me if I'm wrong!). Adams, Wood and Roughy (when required) can cover the Swans aerial options in the forward line. This also keeps Williams in the team who, in my view, is a class act already with composure in traffic, good decision making, provides some run and has reasonable disposal skills.
In: CSmith
Out: Dunkley
In the absence of Dalhaus, we need a savage beast who uncompromisingly hunts the ball. Smith is it. In an ideal world he would have another VFL match under his belt. But it is not an ideal world and he has given two near BOGs since his return from injury. Given the way he plays, I don't see how the risk of re-injuring his knee is any greater in the AFL as opposed to the VFL. The concern would be around whether he has the fitness required at AFL level. He probably doesn't, but we can manage this in the match so long as we don't have to do it with others as well (e.g. if JJ and Stevens also returned in the same match). Dunkley's omission is straight forward - he was just completely ineffectual. I think he will be a good player, but it's a return to VFL now to get more midfield time.
The other option is omitting Honeychurch or Jong for Webb. I don't see how you can drop Jong when he played his best match for the season, and wasn't any where near the top six-eight worst players for us. That just sends the wrong message to a player you're trying to develop. As for Honeychurch, it is really a borderline call but I think you keep the faith for another match given his very good VFL form all year, the very good performance against Port and the fact that he wasn't completely woeful against the Cats.
I would like to see TBoyd put together a solid four to six week block of VFL matches before we consider him for selection. Dickson and Redpath have enough runs on the board this season to maintain their spots, and you need to keep in mind that it was a nightmare to play in that forward line against the Cats. Wayne Carey himself would have only kicked one or two based on our forward entries.
In: Wood
Out: Roberts
This is not intended to make Roberts the fall guy for our loss. His form has been reasonable over the past month, but the Swans are not overly tall in the forward line in the absence of Tippet (someone correct me if I'm wrong!). Adams, Wood and Roughy (when required) can cover the Swans aerial options in the forward line. This also keeps Williams in the team who, in my view, is a class act already with composure in traffic, good decision making, provides some run and has reasonable disposal skills.
In: CSmith
Out: Dunkley
In the absence of Dalhaus, we need a savage beast who uncompromisingly hunts the ball. Smith is it. In an ideal world he would have another VFL match under his belt. But it is not an ideal world and he has given two near BOGs since his return from injury. Given the way he plays, I don't see how the risk of re-injuring his knee is any greater in the AFL as opposed to the VFL. The concern would be around whether he has the fitness required at AFL level. He probably doesn't, but we can manage this in the match so long as we don't have to do it with others as well (e.g. if JJ and Stevens also returned in the same match). Dunkley's omission is straight forward - he was just completely ineffectual. I think he will be a good player, but it's a return to VFL now to get more midfield time.
The other option is omitting Honeychurch or Jong for Webb. I don't see how you can drop Jong when he played his best match for the season, and wasn't any where near the top six-eight worst players for us. That just sends the wrong message to a player you're trying to develop. As for Honeychurch, it is really a borderline call but I think you keep the faith for another match given his very good VFL form all year, the very good performance against Port and the fact that he wasn't completely woeful against the Cats.
I would like to see TBoyd put together a solid four to six week block of VFL matches before we consider him for selection. Dickson and Redpath have enough runs on the board this season to maintain their spots, and you need to keep in mind that it was a nightmare to play in that forward line against the Cats. Wayne Carey himself would have only kicked one or two based on our forward entries.
I agree that the performance against the Cats shouldn't be the only factor taken into account. You obviously need to look at form over a four to six week block, amongst various other things.
I think some on here underestimate the player management side of things - you can't just yoyo players in and out of the side all the time. It affects their confidence and belief, and can undermine relationships within the coaching staff and playing group. I agree that Honeychurch should remain in the side.
I wouldn't be keen on bringing two underdone players (Stevens, Wood) straight back in. I think it's too risky, and the last time we brought Stevens back in he had a shocker and reinjured himself. My view would be to pick Wood, and bring Stevens back through the VFL.
Stevens wasn't reinjured he was still injured.
We've been extra cautious and I feel Koby isn't the type to leave out when fit. But I guess the MC knows best when it comes to player management.
He must have aggravated it because he has been out for another three or four weeks. It's not as if they wrongly cleared him but then realised it was another four week injury.
I think that's exactly what happened. They incorrectly thought he could play through it and got it wrong. Muscle injuries can be notoriously hard to gauge.
That's a pretty big call to make.
Did the club say that? Or do you have some info that is not available to the rest of us? Otherwise you are guessing, as am I.
Call it an educated guess.
Considering they've pretty much admitted they brought him back too soon, I'd guess that's as close to an admission as you can get.
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I can't see Wallis being dropped pretty much ever.
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TBH if Lukas Webb hasn't been in the team at any point yet, I don't see why he'll be included in round 15. His VFL form has been consistently outstanding and considering he's been held back this long I don't see why he'll come in next game.
He's been held back to work on things. If coaches are happy with those boxes being ticked, he comes in. It's hard to know what exactly they want him to work in specifically, but just because he hasn't been in yet, won't mean he doesn't come in soon if the coaches are happy.
Id go
Out:
Campbell - roughy 1st ruck toyd ruck/f
Wallis - poor most of this year Picken to play his role
Honeychurch - barely sighted v cats
Dunkley - will be good but goes missing a lot
In:
Toyd - play forward second ruck role
Stevens - best 22 when right
Webb - chance to play him as a mid forward
Wood- really need him back
Williams stays for mine and with wood back allows suckling to play further up the ground wing or half forward
Out:
Campbell - roughy 1st ruck toyd ruck/f
Wallis - poor most of this year Picken to play his role
Honeychurch - barely sighted v cats
Dunkley - will be good but goes missing a lot
In:
Toyd - play forward second ruck role
Stevens - best 22 when right
Webb - chance to play him as a mid forward
Wood- really need him back
Williams stays for mine and with wood back allows suckling to play further up the ground wing or half forward
In Koby Stevens game back he had a couple of shots from outside
fifty he aggravated his injury on the first shot from the right half
forward flank at the Collins street end.
You want to drop Campbell? Geez
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Doesn't sound right - his comeback game was v GWS in Sydney ...?
In: Wood, Webb, Boyd
Out: Roberts, Dunkley, Roughead
Go smaller in defense, Wood/Morris can play tall, Roberts doesn't play tall and offers little in offence.
Dunkley, goes out, we need clean ball uses at the moment.
I want Boyd in and for me its Roughie he replaces. Rougie is a ruck/forward who offers nothing up forward. Doesn't kick goals, when he gets the odd chance he misses. You can't carry blokes like that. Has no ground skills or game awareness up forward either. Granted in the ruck he is 50/50 with Campbell yet Campbell can kick a goals. I believe Campbell/Boyd is a better option.
Out: Roberts, Dunkley, Roughead
Go smaller in defense, Wood/Morris can play tall, Roberts doesn't play tall and offers little in offence.
Dunkley, goes out, we need clean ball uses at the moment.
I want Boyd in and for me its Roughie he replaces. Rougie is a ruck/forward who offers nothing up forward. Doesn't kick goals, when he gets the odd chance he misses. You can't carry blokes like that. Has no ground skills or game awareness up forward either. Granted in the ruck he is 50/50 with Campbell yet Campbell can kick a goals. I believe Campbell/Boyd is a better option.
I think you are correct Bulldog Brent, i am pretty sure there is no
Collins St end at spotless stadium. Apologies the games all blend
into one another eventually.
May be a bit harsh but don't think we can play toyd Campbell roughie and red in one team, though roughy has been good the last few weeks, red has been going well up forward.
It comes down to roughy being in better form and more mobile and toyd is a better forward than Campbell
Heeney should get a week or 2 for his hit on Vince...unless he gets the Sydney benefit of the doubt.
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Out: Fletcher in: wood
Out: Dunkley in: Webb (it's time)
Out: Honey. In: TBoyd
Out: Williams in: clay
Against top 4 teams our lack of height and targets has killed us. However, for this to work, it requires a defensive forward small beast like puopolo. The best we have got is Clay. Clay is uncompromising - 2 bogs in vfl is enough with a week off. Play him in the forward pocket for the entire game.
Yep, it's tough on honey and Williams but what we are dishing up against the best teams is not cutting it. Maybe with JJ and Murph we can play short and cut them up but without them short is not going to work.
A forward line of :
Dickson stringer liber
Clay TBoyd redpath
This is a tough proposition for any opposition
Out: Dunkley in: Webb (it's time)
Out: Honey. In: TBoyd
Out: Williams in: clay
Against top 4 teams our lack of height and targets has killed us. However, for this to work, it requires a defensive forward small beast like puopolo. The best we have got is Clay. Clay is uncompromising - 2 bogs in vfl is enough with a week off. Play him in the forward pocket for the entire game.
Yep, it's tough on honey and Williams but what we are dishing up against the best teams is not cutting it. Maybe with JJ and Murph we can play short and cut them up but without them short is not going to work.
A forward line of :
Dickson stringer liber
Clay TBoyd redpath
This is a tough proposition for any opposition
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