Preview Changes vs Swans

[Mismatched]

Mate IMO we may need to do a forward structure readjustment

There has been little to no forward pressure and sides have been able to run the ball out with ease and IMO this is largely to playing 3 talks up front.

With this in mind it's time to consider going back to two talks and having another small forward in either Pets or Charlie to provide some real forward pressure

Would love to see Betts and Carlie who live together develop some real chemistry and develop into a real damaging small forward combo

My issue with your thoughts here is that dropping a tall for a small is only window dressing, a bandaid move which fails to address the fundamental issue. We've been dropping that 3rd tall for years in favour of this apparent "benefit" gained in having an extra small who can provide extra tackling pressure and yet the ball is still brought out of our forward line at a rate of knots.

We need to address the crux of the problem which is:
A: Delivery into the forward line
B: Forwards who actually present and take a grab/bring the ball to ground
C: Crumbers to swoop on the ball when it hits the ground

Personally I think forward line pressure is over-rated to an extent, I think when clubs can run the ball out of your forward line with such ease and regularity as clubs do ours, its not a symptom of poor pressure, its a symptom of an global dysfunctioning forward line/gameplan. Swapping a tall for a small, for the pure purpose of extra defensive pressure is a bandaid measure at best and equates to ignoring the real issue.

How this is solved at this stage of the season with the injuries we have is difficult and perhaps another quick small forward in favour of one of our talls may help. God knows the personnel we have there now, barring Betts, aren't exactly giving us much and the tall options in the SANFL aren't exactly knocking on the door.

I think we almost could bring young Charlie Cameron in for a run, with the view to giving him a rest once Walker/Lynch/Otten start coming back into the side.

If Hartigan were available though, I'd almost bring him and Jenkins in, throw Rutten forward and drop both Podsiadly and McKernan such was the pitifulness of their display yesterday. I know Rutten doesn't offer a heap going the other way, but hell I think he'd still be an improvement...

My thoughts on how we should probably line up assuming Hartigan's not available:
In: Laird, Cameron, Lyons
Out: McKernan, Porplyzia, B. Crouch (Inj)

B: Brown - Rutten - Shaw
HB: Laird - Talia - Jaensch
C: Smith - Dangerfield - Mackay
HF: Grigg - Jenkins - Douglas
F: Betts - Podsiadly - Cameron
1R: Jacobs - Thompson - Sloane
I: Johnston - Kerridge - Lyons
S: Reilly

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

WIll be interesting to see if we actually have a 'gameplan' against the Swans...

Like, you know, maybe tag Hannebury.... He managed like 48 touches against us last time?

Swannies seem to have alot of issue similar to us... could be a very tough close game.

Hannebury and Jack are their prime movers, keep them both quiet and we go along way to winning the game

Hannebury has been heavily criticised over here, the rumor is that he has become Buddy's party boy wingman and has not worked as hard as other pre-seasons

I'm not convinced that the Sydney camp are as tight as previous years

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

My issue with your thoughts here is that dropping a tall for a small is only window dressing, a bandaid move which fails to address the fundamental issue. We've been dropping that 3rd tall for years in favour of this apparent "benefit" gained in having an extra small who can provide extra tackling pressure and yet the ball is still brought out of our forward line at a rate of knots.

We need to address the crux of the problem which is:
A: Delivery into the forward line
B: Forwards who actually present and take a grab/bring the ball to ground
C: Crumbers to swoop on the ball when it hits the ground

Personally I think forward line pressure is over-rated to an extent, I think when clubs can run the ball out of your forward line with such ease and regularity as clubs do ours, its not a symptom of poor pressure, its a symptom of an global dysfunctioning forward line/gameplan. Swapping a tall for a small, for the pure purpose of extra defensive pressure is a bandaid measure at best and equates to ignoring the real issue.

How this is solved at this stage of the season with the injuries we have is difficult and perhaps another quick small forward in favour of one of our talls may help. God knows the personnel we have there now, barring Betts, aren't exactly giving us much and the tall options in the SANFL aren't exactly knocking on the door.

I think we almost could bring young Charlie Cameron in for a run, with the view to giving him a rest once Walker/Lynch/Otten start coming back into the side.

If Hartigan were available though, I'd almost bring him and Jenkins in, throw Rutten forward and drop both Podsiadly and McKernan such was the pitifulness of their display yesterday. I know Rutten doesn't offer a heap going the other way, but hell I think he'd still be an improvement...

My thoughts on how we should probably line up assuming Hartigan's not available:
In: Laird, Cameron, Lyons
Out: McKernan, Porplyzia, B. Crouch (Inj)

B: Brown - Rutten - Shaw
HB: Laird - Talia - Jaensch
C: Smith - Dangerfield - Mackay
HF: Grigg - Jenkins - Douglas
F: Betts - Podsiadly - Cameron
1R: Jacobs - Thompson - Sloane
I: Johnston - Kerridge - Lyons
S: Reilly

James I don't disagree that there are other fundamental issues however I do place high value on the ability to lock the ball in at your end.

Additionally I'm not against playing 3 talks however it needs to be the right 3 talks that not only offer something different as players but they also need to complement each other, personally with Tex and Lynch out I don't think we have got the right combination of the 3 talks available for selection

 

[Wright Away]

And the reserves play Sunday. The day after the game.

Disappointing for those pushing for selection.

How so alex?

Players that play in the reserves wouldn't be selected to play against Sydney anyway.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

How so alex?

Players that play in the reserves wouldn't be selected to play against Sydney anyway.

Touché

Correct. Didn't think that far through it.

 

[BACCS]

So you missed his errors leading to goals?

Besides the one direct turnover to Wines, what others are you referring to? I guess you are ignoring anything good he did, including out bodying Gray (or might have been Monfries) in a marking contest to take a great grab on the wing.

 

[Wright Away]

Touché

Correct. Didn't think that far through it.

To be fair, I think it did happen with Maric one year.

 

[BACCS]

Pittard defends he is a defender

Wright played HF and did not look dangerous at all

No, he is a rebounding HBF'er that Port try to get loose at times.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Out: B Crouch, Poosiadly, Pooplyzia.

In: M Crouch, Jenkins, Lyons

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

To be fair, I think it did happen with Maric one year.

It's possibly better that they play after.

If we have any late injures, they can be ready to go. Instead of already having played a game.

 

[Wright Away]

It's possibly better that they play after.

If we have any late injures, they can be ready to go. Instead of already having played a game.

Yeah, which was the issue with Maric, we ended up losing that game and Maric was buggered by half time.

 

[AFC979810]

Shows that your emotion gets in the way of any logical thought

Why?

He is just average. 107 games - zero brownlow votes. Has gotten the pill over 25 times in the last 4 seasons.

I would all be for keeping him in if we were winning. The fact is we are a shit football side ride now and his 16-18 vanilla disposals are doing nothing. We know what his ceiling is.

It is increasingly more obvious that this season needs to be about what genuine young talent we can unearth.

We need to keep playing McKernan, Johnston, Kerridge, Grigg week in week out. They will have some shockers and some good games, but we need to persist.

Ask yourself honestly if we replaced Mackay with M Crouch for today - what would have happened? We would have lost by 75 instead of 60?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

OUT: LEWIS JOHNSTONE

how is this not obvious to this board?

The guy is as soft as butter the second the ball hits the ground.

He may cut it at sanfl level but you can't be a player that puts zero contest in once the ball hits the ground at afl level.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

No, he is a rebounding HBF'er that Port try to get loose at times.

Yes At times..... However his first role is to defend and the best way Wrighty could have kept him getting off the leash is by hitting the scoreboard himself

I have a fundamental issue with forwards defending as their first instinct they are their to create scoring options and to hit the scoreboard and by doing so you force defenders to stay in their box and defend rather than attack

 

[BACCS]

Our injury list, combined with the performance of our 2nd tier talls and ageing players is depressing.

At this stage I'm not convinced we're even in that 7-12 bracket.

We are in that bracket, just need some personnel back. Luckily Lynch could be a chance this week, and Otten is only another 3 weeks away. Tex said he is about a month still.

 

[BACCS]

Yes At times..... However his first role is to defend and the best way Wrighty could have kept him getting off the leash is by hitting the scoreboard himself

I have a fundamental issue with forwards defending as their first instinct they are their to create scoring options and to hit the scoreboard and by doing so you force defenders to stay in their box and defend rather than attack

I know what you are saying, but Wright was clearly playing a defensive tagging forward role on Pittard yesterday. He certainly wasn't as good as round 1, but he was far from our worst and the least of our problems.

 

[AFC979810]

OUT: LEWIS JOHNSTONE

how is this not obvious to this board?

The guy is as soft as butter the second the ball hits the ground.

He may cut it at sanfl level but you can't be a player that puts zero contest in once the ball hits the ground at afl level.

You mean drop our 2nd highest goalscorer for 2014? Need to persist with Lewis.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I know what you are saying, but Wright was clearly playing a defensive tagging forward role on Pittard yesterday. He certainly wasn't as good as round 1, but he was far from our worst and the least of our problems.

We need to agree to disagree

IMO Wright wasn't tagging he just wasn't impacting the contest

 

[BACCS]

Just listen to Sando's presser and here are my selection take always

No way JPod will be dropped so people need to factor that in Now

Pets will be back next week so I can't see Charlie getting promoted

The only reason Pods will survive is due to the lack of alternatives. Once Tex is fit, if he hasn't lifted his game, he'll be straight into the reserves. Mckernan goes for Jenkins as it's like for like, while Johnston goes for anyone as he offers less than zero.

 

[BACCS]

It's incredible that not one club looked at him - until the saints rookied him.

But now here's the thing - he was just a rookie, but a promising pre season and bang - he's getting games. Remind you of anyone - cough cough - Charlie ???

Saints are in a fairly different position list wise mate, hardly a true comparison.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Porplyzia's selection on the weekend was a complete and utter waste of time, especially considering it was at the expense of Lyons. It was a staggeringly bad selection. A reasonably trained team of monkeys couldn't have fared worse at the selection table.

Accountability? Clarke? Bickley? Camporeale? Sanderson?

Nah.....

This week, Porps out, Martin in. McKernan out, Jenkins in, and Droopy Dog Harper talking about how stiff everyone is.

Groundhog Day, folks. Get used to it.

edit - What's more, Porplyzia was subbed into the midfield, at possibly the hottest contested game we've played for 18 months. You know - just in case Porps decided to turn into an elite midfielder at 29, and was hiding it from us all this time.

**** me.

 

[hey shorty]

Wright was lucky that Pittard isnt much good. If Lynch is available thats very good news however with his interrupted PS will we rush him straight back in, particularly when his strength is his work ethic.

Selection night will be fun in here, can see a meltdown occurring and perhaps rightly so.

 

[BACCS]

Looks like low 20's and overcast next Sunday - should be pretty good conditions. Need to field a quicker team imo. Not against Petrenko in the side along side Betts.

That's cool, but the game is on Saturday.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

The only reason Pods will survive is due to the lack of alternatives. Once Tex is fit, if he hasn't lifted his game, he'll be straight into the reserves. Mckernan goes for Jenkins as it's like for like, while Johnston goes for anyone as he offers less than zero.

I heard that Tex was given the medical clearance 2-3 weeks ago to play and the club was very much hoping that Tex would have started playing in the sanfl side by now however Tex is committed to giving it a full 12 months before playing

It seems giving it a full 12 months is a important mental milestone for Tex

 

[hey shorty]

You mean drop our 2nd highest goalscorer for 2014? Need to persist with Lewis.

Persist with a giant rocket. His defensive efforts were Hills League B grade standard