Preview Changes vs Sydney

[BACCS]

No one on this board should at all be up in arms if Lyons decides to leave at the end of the year.

Still in contract, I don't get what people don't understand about this. I know for a fact he gets along very well with his teammates and the coaching staff, and likes living in Adelaide. BF are probably more up in arms over his selection each week than the man himself. I highly doubt he's as fickle as our supporters. If he plays more than 10 games this season, I'd reckon he'd be pretty happy with that.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

He doesn't need a rest. Unless he's injured, he should play somewhere this weekend.

 

[WAG]

Porps played very well in finals and we need those sort of players in case we make it again. Performers in the big games

But can we carry them and still make the finals?

 

[BACCS]

Porps was definitely worse. But that is your opinions against mine.

If Reilly's job is HB distributor, then atm, yes I would feel more comfortable with Lyons (besides the point).

A straight swap Crouch for Lyons is a tough one. Crouch is more talented yes, but I would say Lyons AFL for has been better than Crouch SANFL form in comparison. So do you still go with the 'gifting games' logic?

Good point, I just think Crouch will bring a lot more to the side this year than Lyons. You don't have to agree, I just think Crouch is a bloody special talent. Lyons will be a solid footballer, I have no doubt about that, but Crouch will be an absolute star.

 

[Elite Crow]

So if he comes in does that prove he doesn't need a rest?

 

[Glenno23]

But can we carry them and still make the finals?

Good question. Its like the chicken and the egg, which comes first?

I think he may have till the bye round and if we don't see an impact and clean hands, then he may be done when we come back from the break

Now i don't think we have to see a 25 possession, 3 goal game from the Porpoise, but i think we need to see the touch that makes him what he is. Clean hands (no fumbles) strong marks and good goal kicking for him to remain

Continue to function as he has recently with shit goal kicking, fumbles and no intensity and he's done

 

[BACCS]

Haha! Not this time.

The difference is that I think Porplyzia is a good footballer and worth persevering with. I know he's been crap but I also saw him step up in the finals when some of his more currently in-form team mates didn't give much of a yelp and got exposed by the occasion.

Previously we have seen kids miss out when players I consider average get games ahead of them. That shits me no end because there is no upside - the kids don't get games, the average players remain average. And what it means is it guarantees that our team can't be good now or in the future. That's where the rants come in.

Great post, but I'd like to get your opinion on something. Do you reckon Porps was any worse than Lyons last week?

I'm not that gutted by Lyons going out as I know he'll be back quick smart, our coaches have backed in the younger players all season. It's like people don't understand that only Port, GC and GWS are behind us in terms of experience. Now, if Stiffy had come in ahead of Crouch, people would have a case.

 

[BACCS]

Try to be measured? Go squeeze a zit.

I'm sorry, because I'm 22 and you're in your 30s or 40s, you think that's in some way funny?

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Gosh this board is cringeworthy when people disagree with changes. Just chill out. There's obviously a reason behind any changes made and no one needs to hear your incessant ranting when, with all due respect, you've really got no idea in comparison to our selection panel.

 

[Dewy006]

No senior player ever goes back to the SANFL/VFL, finds form over a period of weeks, then returns to have a significant impact at AFL level again. There just aren't the examples out there.

What's far more common is the Johncock situation. I've said before that senior players don't lose their spot in the team. They get retired.

So the decision is not whether to give Porps a couple of weeks at Westies. It's whether he gets a line put through his name permanently. It's a big call on a class player, particularly after he showed up a number of more fancied Crows in September which seems like ages ago but has really only been 10 games.

Realistically, I reckon he'd have maybe 2-3 more chances tops. If he doesn't give us something soon it is the end of his career. Time at West would do nothing.

Personally I think being able to carry a player out of form such as Porps is a luxury we just can't afford, especially if we continue to do it for the next 3-4 weeks, sure there is a chance he will come good and reassert himself as one of our best 22, the more likely scenario is he continues on the path he is going down and we have wasted 5 games that we could be pumping into a kid.

Maybe the reason there has been limited success in sending out of form senior players back to thier state league, is purely because for these guys the end comes quick, it's a cliff that once they fall off, they just dont have the will to climb again.

 

[WAG]

Good question. Its like the chicken and the egg, which comes first?

I think he may have till the bye round and if we don't see an impact and clean hands, then he may be done when we come back from the break

Now i don't think we have to see a 25 possession, 3 goal game from the Porpoise, but i think we need to see the touch that makes him what he is. Clean hands (no fumbles) strong marks and good goal kicking for him to remain

Continue to function as he has recently with shit goal kicking, fumbles and no intensity and he's done

Yeah the fumbles and poor goal kicking can be forgiven while he's getting his mojo back, it's the complete lack of intensity that gets me. If my job was on the line, then I would be busting my arse all over the park. Unless he just doesn't have it anymore, in which case what the **** is he doing still in the side. Just feels as though the selection panel keep on rolling the dice with Porps hoping they'll eventually throw a yahtzee!

 

[BACCS]

Lyons will play. He was always going to play

Your read it here first.

Playing funsies with the Swans to put them off slightly?

 

[BACCS]

Gosh this board is cringeworthy when people disagree with changes. Just chill out. There's obviously a reason behind any changes made and no one needs to hear your incessant ranting when, with all due respect, you've really got no idea in comparison to our selection panel.

Oh oh... a few on this board don't like those words... BF knows all!

 

[Elite Crow]

Gosh this board is cringeworthy when people disagree with changes. Just chill out. There's obviously a reason behind any changes made and no one needs to hear your incessant ranting when, with all due respect, you've really got no idea in comparison to our selection panel.

So what you are saying is the selection panel doesn't make poor choices?

 

[Glenno23]

Playing funsies with the Swans to put them off slightly?

Maybe. I just think MacKay or Thommo have injuries slightly more concerning than we're letting on. Lyons for Thommo is a fair swap for playing style. We'll just lose that bigger body which will make it hard against the Swans if he was to come out

 

[Tex Danger]

@Jenny69 and Tex Danger, so which Adelaide official has said he needs a rest? That's just pure speculation you guys are using to justify his non selection.

The fact he's an emergency and we have 2 suspect players is more likely the reason why he hasn't been named for Glenelg rather than needing a rest.

im not trying to justify anything, just looking at the facts without the emotion of whinging posters and was simply pointing out that he was not names for Glenelg and that should be taken into account before posters go off half cocked.

Wasnt saying him getting dropped was right but as my initial post said, just its too early to get all emotional about it given the things we do know (he is out, he is not named for glenelg, Harper said he needed a rest) are all consistent with eachother and not necessarily indicating "poor selection" or dropping a kid who deserves his spot.

 

[Tex Danger]

So if he comes in does that prove he doesn't need a rest?

possibly

possibly the club know we will have a late out and are playing games. possibly lyons knows he will be playing.

this would be the opposite to him needing a rest and as someone else said, everything is pure speculation.

Again you will probably disagree and saying i am trying to justify their selections or something. fact is i dont care about defending them against people who feel passionately aginst their moves. I was and am again just putting up possibilities that may have happened.

Either way it shows its probably too early to be massively critical of whatever it is they are doing as we really dont know.

BAck to my initial post I said id hold fire til after the byes to see what has happened with him in that time and all this conjecture just makes me more comfortable with that thought

 

[Elite Crow]

im not trying to justify anything, just looking at the facts without the emotion of whinging posters and was simply pointing out that he was not names for Glenelg and that should be taken into account before posters go off half cocked.

Wasnt saying him getting dropped was right but as my initial post said, just its too early to get all emotional about it given the things we do know (he is out, he is not named for glenelg, Harper said he needed a rest) are all consistent with eachother and not necessarily indicating "poor selection" or dropping a kid who deserves his spot.

Did Harper say he needed a rest?

 

[Tex Danger]

Did Harper say he needed a rest?

Yes. Not sure the exact words but on 5AA he spoke about how even players like danger, thommo, vince, etc werent able to stay in the side week in week out when they started and young players need a rest, etc. Then that he would have a rest and be back in in the next couple of weeks

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

So what you are saying is the selection panel doesn't make poor choices?

How am I saying that? I'm not saying agree with every change, I just think the panel deserves a bit of respect rather than idiots taking cheap shots at them and declaring a players career at Adelaide is over just because he's been dropped for one week. The panel put a lot more effort into their thought processes than part time forum posters who instantly blow up when they see something they don't like. Instead of carrying on about something you can't change, maybe try and look at why the panel has gone down the path it has and accept it. I couldn't count the amount of times this board has cracked the shits about changes only to have egg on their face after the game.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Great post, but I'd like to get your opinion on something. Do you reckon Porps was any worse than Lyons last week?

I'm not that gutted by Lyons going out as I know he'll be back quick smart, our coaches have backed in the younger players all season. It's like people don't understand that only Port, GC and GWS are behind us in terms of experience. Now, if Stiffy had come in ahead of Crouch, people would have a case.

No! I reckon Lyons is a ripper and should not be dropped.

I said at the start that Mackay hasn't been in good enough form to play under any sort of cloud. If he even needs a fitness test then he misses IMO, and Lyons plays.

My perfect team includes both Lyons and last-chance Porps.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Personally I think being able to carry a player out of form such as Porps is a luxury we just can't afford, especially if we continue to do it for the next 3-4 weeks, sure there is a chance he will come good and reassert himself as one of our best 22, the more likely scenario is he continues on the path he is going down and we have wasted 5 games that we could be pumping into a kid.

He's worth the 5 games IMO.

And the reason is that unless Porps is fit and firing, we are no chance in September anyway.

So replacing him with someone else does nothing, unless we're shelving 2013 and focusing purely on 2014.

I reckon if we lose to Sydney and Richmond that would be enough to put Porps out because it would be apparent that any hopes of success this season is a pipe dream.

Maybe the reason there has been limited success in sending out of form senior players back to thier state league, is purely because for these guys the end comes quick, it's a cliff that once they fall off, they just dont have the will to climb again.

Well... yeah. That is the reason. SANFL is a death sentence at this stage.

 

[Elite Crow]

How am I saying that? I'm not saying agree with every change, I just think the panel deserves a bit of respect rather than idiots taking cheap shots at them and declaring a players career at Adelaide is over just because he's been dropped for one week. The panel put a lot more effort into their thought processes than part time forum posters who instantly blow up when they see something they don't like. Instead of carrying on about something you can't change, maybe try and look at why the panel has gone down the path it has and accept it. I couldn't count the amount of times this board has cracked the shits about changes only to have egg on their face after the game.

And the number of times posters have pointed out selection errors before the game and been vindicated?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Im not reading to much into the teams selection as I think Lyon will play

 

[King Elvis]

We are a deadset f...ing useless football club.

F...ing typical gutless selection thats been going on for years. If I needed an example of why we have been so shit for 15 years this is it.

Pathetic

It is pathetic, sadly, I don't think many would be surprised.


This'll probably be another game lost as selection.

****ing unbelievable - we don't pick a team based on form, merit or potential; which should be the only factors.

Meh.