Preview Changes vs Sydney

[Kickin_Goals]

Where did ANYONE suggest him going to ground was a problem before this round?

Maybe Elvis did yesterday morning but now everyone who wants him out of the side is jumping on that bandwagon.

He will be in the top 7 of out best and fairest at thus stage of the season.

Dangerfield
Douglas
Thompson
Rutten
Talia
Otten
Jenkins

B&F? no medals for 7th or so when gifted games.
This is nonsense also it's as if you've forgotten half the squad. Smith, Lyons, Kerridge, Sloane, Wright, Vince, Lynch, Jacobs, Laird, Jaensch, VB, Reilly, Crouch, Henderson are all better performers while Ottens is on autoselect while there are barely any worse performed players on the list.
Ottens has never truly suited since Bock left he doesn't have the initiative to move the ball.
His best game was against Carlton and he wasn't in the backlines otherwise it was vs WB which is arguably the weakest forward line in the comp.
Just because noone is calling for him previously people have hardly been excited about him this year and now leading into the Sydney game who is he matching up on?

I don't see space for lack of run, ground contest and tackling efficiency down back vs Sydney.
Smack is not setting the world on fire in his 4 games Otten could be thrown forward and use his strength more effectively in defending and judging the ball drop, anything to keep Dangerfield from being put down there all game again.

Alex

I have repeatedly been a critic of Otto, I also gone as far as saying early in the season that he is book marked to be traded

Blind man Freddy can see the issues with his game.

1. Lacks mobility
2. Tackling technique is the worse on our list
3. Has a history of not staying in a contes and going to ground

Come on now Porplyzia is in the team, couldn't bring down Betty White. And would be too skittish about his shoulder to try.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Tradeable option at years end? .......would we get a second round pick for Otto and would that be enough to get Gorringe

IMO Otten for Gorringe ......not a direct swap but picks

WW I would be happy with either Currie or Gorridge, I also don't mind the thought of getting Gummy as we did target him last off season prior to him signing a 1 year deal to stay at the bombers

With this in mind I believe Gummy would look for a club where he is a start up selection, with JJ and Tex here he may shy way from the AFC

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Kick'n Goals, hard to disagree on Porpy but with that said Otto as two good shoulders

 

[King Elvis]

I think I speak for many here when I say that I don't think he's any good but if it's not pissing down he helps our structure and we need him against a team with real ruckman.

Also he wasn't dropped for form, just match ups. And we lost. So it's almost guaranteed that he'll come back in.

Structurally, McKernan has to play.

Lynch isn't a key forward, Jenkins isn't good enough to be one with all of the focus on him, nor is he good in the ruck. Jacobs can't ruck most of the game by himself, and with his current form, I wouldn't want to risk that happening anyway.

As long as McKernan is playing 'ok' games, then, for the time being, he's in.


We need to start picking our best team based on structure, not on who we want in the side, and then figuring which position we can try and shoehorn them into.


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Having said that, I think we should drop one of Otten/Reilly (probably Otten), and try Vince as a loose man in defence. He could be a real weapon back there.

 

[Vader]

Exactly, a captains spot should be unquestionable, he shouldn't have a large portion of his supporter base questioning his performance on a weekly basis and saying "he's captain so he won't lose his spot but..." or have posters defending him sayin "he wasn't that bad..." See the likes of Danger, Thommo, Sloane, Walker and Rutten. How many captains in the AFL have such a portion of their fan base questioning their captains spot in the side?

The reality is that his position is not in any doubt at all down at the club - either as Captain, or as a Player. People questioning his position, as player or Captain, should be looking at themselves first, because their blinkered view is clearly a long, long way from the reality.

The fans want their Captain to be an inspirational player, capable of great deeds on the field, lifting his team to victory. That's not VB. The fans, by and large, have a very limited understanding of what leadership actually means. VB is an excellent leader and Captain, probably one of the best in the league.

As a player, his form is down on 2012 - as is almost everyone else's. I thought he actually played quite well yesterday, yet I come on BigFooty and read that many people want him dropped. This clearly has nothing to do with an objective view of his performances, but is based purely on people's subjective views - based on what they want to see, rather than what is actually happening in reality. The reality is that VB is performing more than adequately and if we were to drop him (and everyone performing below his standard) then we would have to start forfeiting games, being unable to field anything remotely close to a full team.

 

[Vader]

Unfortunately his game yesterday was so ordinary you can make judgements .......not as if he is a kid anymore

What i don't understand is why Riley wasn't used ? ......yes i understand he wasn't one of the emergencies ....oversight based on weather forecast?
Yesterday was Rileys element

Why would they have chosen Riley, when they already had a better alternative (Wright) on the emergency list? Wright was born to play in yesterday's game. His non-selection is truly mind boggling, particularly when they chose to select Martin instead. But Riley?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Who else thinks Johncock would have been a perfect sub yesterday?

Or is mentioning 30 year olds a touchy subject at the AFC?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Why would they have chosen Riley, when they already had a better alternative (Wright) on the emergency list? Wright was born to play in yesterday's game. His non-selection is truly mind boggling, particularly when they chose to select Martin instead. But Riley?

Wright loves the slop, loves it, eats it up. Born in the slop. His Father was a mudder. His Mother was a mudder

 

[Kickin_Goals]

The reality is that his position is not in any doubt at all down at the club - either as Captain, or as a Player. People questioning his position, as player or Captain, should be looking at themselves first, because their blinkered view is clearly a long, long way from the reality.

The fans want their Captain to be an inspirational player, capable of great deeds on the field, lifting his team to victory. That's not VB. The fans, by and large, have a very limited understanding of what leadership actually means. VB is an excellent leader and Captain, probably one of the best in the league.

As a player, his form is down on 2012 - as is almost everyone else's. I thought he actually played quite well yesterday, yet I come on BigFooty and read that many people want him dropped. This clearly has nothing to do with an objective view of his performances, but is based purely on people's subjective views - based on what they want to see, rather than what is actually happening in reality. The reality is that VB is performing more than adequately and if we were to drop him (and everyone performing below his standard) then we would have to start forfeiting games, being unable to field anything remotely close to a full team.

Wasn't so great but yes no threat for his spot, 23 possessions seem okay before 5 of them are clangers DE is 56% and he's had one tackle 3 frees against 89% game time.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who else thinks Johncock would have been a perfect sub yesterday?

Or is mentioning 30 year olds a touchy subject at the AFC?

Doubt he'll play again. Can smell a mid-season retirement looming.

 

[Mismatched]

Why would they have chosen Riley, when they already had a better alternative (Wright) on the emergency list? Wright was born to play in yesterday's game. His non-selection is truly mind boggling, particularly when they chose to select Martin instead. But Riley?

Agreed, just cannot understand why we chose probably our most outside player, along with Hendo and Mackay, as a result of the game being likely to be an absolute rain induced slog. I understand that perhaps they wanted to inject some more pace into the side over McKernan, but surely a Wright or Jaensch (Hills boys love the wet weather) would have been a far better choice.

I really do think this one was lost in the coaches box as much as anything, we got too smart for our own good.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

With the sub I reckon we kept trying with Mackay so long because we were planning on subbing out one of our three tall defenders. They just didn't have good match ups and all three struggled.

 

[King Elvis]

VB is an excellent leader and Captain, probably one of the best in the league.

And you say other people have blinkered views?

He's a mediocre footballer, and not the best leader on our list, let alone one of the best in the AFL.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'd like to know what Vader bases VB being one of the best Captains in the league. May well be right, but how does one come to that conclusion?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Who else thinks Johncock would have been a perfect sub yesterday?

Or is mentioning 30 year olds a touchy subject at the AFC?

Nope and I'm expecting his next game will be second to last game of the season against Melbourne as a farewell game.

 

[Mismatched]

With the sub I reckon we kept trying with Mackay so long because we were planning on subbing out one of our three tall defenders. They just didn't have good match ups and all three struggled.

We certainly had too many tall guys in defense against their forward line packed with small-medium forwards and no tall forwards. I would have liked to see us throw one of our big 3 up forward and see if we couldn't create a few more 1 on 1's in the marking contests. As it was we only had 2 targets up forward in Jenkins and Dangerfield and they were always outnumbered in marking contests because our forward line entry was too predictable. It was like we were back to the Craig days where the forward line game plan was simply bomb it long indiscriminately and hope for the best.

 

[NTRabbit]

Sounds like Crouch failed to stick his hand up for selection again, 20 touches total, 3 in the first, 3 n the last quarter (all in the first few minutes) as North ran over the top of Westies.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

WW I would be happy with either Currie or Gorridge, I also don't mind the thought of getting Gummy as we did target him last off season prior to him signing a 1 year deal to stay at the bombers

With this in mind I believe Gummy would look for a club where he is a start up selection, with JJ and Tex here he may shy way from the AFC

I think he'll se it as an opportunity ....Walker to play after 4-5 rounds

Jenkins can play as third tall but could also be th fill in KPD that Rendell hinted at

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd like to know what Vader bases VB being one of the best Captains in the league. May well be right, but how does one come to that conclusion?

Didn't Vader read Kevin Sheedy's article?

I'm usually very reluctant to quote my own posts but here goes...

David Burtenshaw: Ok… it’s not just you that’s under fire, either Neil. VB is copping some stick. Did you guys read that Sheedy worst captain article?

Phil Harper: Yeah, I saw it. Thommo made photo copies for everyone.

David Burtenshaw: What did you think, Neil?

Neil Craig: Disgraceful article. Really made my blood boil. Sheedy (rolls eyes)… there’s nothing worse than when someone hangs around the game too long. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve done throughout your career, everyone has a use-by-date. Sometimes you have to accept that the game has gone past you and it’s time to move on.

Phil Harper: Spot on, Neil.

Neil Craig: As soon as you lose relevance and the respect of the football community you need to say goodbye. Anyway… terrible article. VB’s an excellent skipper.

Phil Harper: He’s got a new nickname around the club too… it’s Richie!

Neil Craig: Why Richie?

Phil Harper: After Richie Vandenberg!

Neil Craig: Yeah, I can see that… good footballer, hard worker, disciplined, reliable… that’s a bit of a pat on the back for Nathan. Good stuff.

 

[Wood_Duck]

With the sub I reckon we kept trying with Mackay so long because we were planning on subbing out one of our three tall defenders. They just didn't have good match ups and all three struggled.

Spot on I reckon.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Why would they have chosen Riley, when they already had a better alternative (Wright) on the emergency list? Wright was born to play in yesterday's game. His non-selection is truly mind boggling, particularly when they chose to select Martin instead. But Riley?

Fair point

 

[NTRabbit]

So, now that the SANFL is done, my guess

OUT: Brown, Martin, Mackay (inj)

IN: McKernan, Henderson, Grigg

 

[hugecannon]

For me.....

Out:- Porplyzia, Mackay, Martin
In:- Wright, Crouch, McKernan

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Was at the game (came over from Melbourne).... Dear me so much we need to rectify.

Mackay was embarrassing. Has now replaced Bernie as the softest player on our list.

Brown and Kerridge both found out how tough AFL is and that you cant flirt with form.

Somehow, we must find a way to get Stiffy, Hendo, Crouch into the team. Need some spark players.

 

[NTRabbit]

For me.....

Out:- Porplyzia, Mackay, Martin
In:- Wright, Crouch, McKernan

Crouch had another poor game today, I'd be astonished if he was in the thinking this week. He vanished in the last quarter as North did to Wests what we did to the Kangas