Preview Changes vs Tigers

[Wood_Duck]

You'd prefer he was happy at not being selected? Seems he's done all the selectors could have asked except change his name to Porps.

I'd prefer he had the balls to accept that he has some deficiencies and was prepared to do what was expected of him, than start whinging like an entitled brat. Of course that assumes that the story of his discontent and wanting to leave is not another completely imagined piece of BF fiction.

 

[King Elvis]

Deficiencies like his supposed lack of pace??

I hope they're giving Lyons a better, more consistent reason for his omission, than they are the public.

Meanwhile, following a great win in Perth, Richmond bring in two 19 year olds.

At least someone is playing the KIDS.

Must be a mistake - they won their last game, their side shoud be unchanged.

 

[Wood_Duck]

I hope they're giving Lyons a better, more consistent reason for his omission, than they are the public.

Im sure Phil's address to the nation each week isn't the only explanation he gets.

 

[King Elvis]

I'd hope so, but you'd also assume that if they had a solid reason that they could keep straight for a fortnight, then we'd here it as well.

 

[Mattrox]

Is this sarcasm? We've been playing the kids all year.

Don't worry. ... once the kids get 50 or 60 games they will be "old journeymen" and he will be calling for the Goody Saints under 16s to be played instead.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Hopefully they are playing Jaensch to up his value or to sell his positive aspects to other clubs.

Other than that, I don't see any point in playing him.

 

[evo]

Really bemusing changes this week by the Crows. Especially Kerridge.

Not complaining mind you, but wondering what's going on. Is Sanderson being pressured by management?

 

[moogerfooger]

Hopefully they are playing Jaensch to up his value or to sell his positive aspects to other clubs.

Other than that, I don't see any point in playing him.

he's got to be playing forward you'd think. could be dangerous on a wet day if our midfield can get its share of the ball.

 

[MRB37]

Hopefully they are playing Jaensch to up his value or to sell his positive aspects to other clubs.

Other than that, I don't see any point in playing him.

Hopefully. Seen enough of him down back to know I don't want to see him down there again.

 

[Mattrox]

Really bemusing changes this week by the Crows. Especially Kerridge.

Not complaining mind you, but wondering what's going on. Is Sanderson being pressured by management?

I wondered about this. Only having coached 36 games or so I wonder if he is being micromanaged at the selection table.

I reckon Kerridge is just a rotation. But we'll see.

 

[cmndstab]

I'd prefer he had the balls to accept that he has some deficiencies and was prepared to do what was expected of him than start whinging like an entitled brat. Of course that assumes that the story of his discontent and wanting to leave is not another completely imagined piece of BF fiction.

I have no doubt he would be "pissed" at being dropped - but that doesn't inherently mean he's pissed off because he thinks he's too good to be dropped and that the AFL are mistreating him.

I'd be pissed off too if I was playing AFL and then was dropped, but not because I would assume I was awesome, just because I'd want to keep playing AFL. Assuming the club isn't feeding us a line (and they were quite specific about him being rested as opposed to most other players) he'll be back in soon and he'll be aware of that.

Of all our issues, I don't think this one rates very high.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

@Shutts10: @Adelaide_FC IN: Mackay, Jaensch, Wright, Brown OUT: Reilly, Petrenko, Crouch, Kerridge. @TenNewsADEL


Ok, now I'm really confused

Jaensch in for Petrenko - Matty has been in form & unlucky to be dropped, so have no issue.
Wright in for Kerridge - Sam form has dropped off & needs a rest & Wright had a good last game in the SANFL.
Brown in for Reilly - Radar has been in poor form, so brining in Brown back from injury appears obvious.
Mackay in for Crouch - this is the most contentious decision, as Mackay wasn't in great form before his injury. If it were Lyons in for Crouch, it would have made more sense. I still suspect it will effectively be Mackay for Thompson & Lyons for Crouch... & if so, have no issue.

My main issue is with Porplyzia being picked, particularly as a non-sub, where he hasn't had a decent game ALL year! This is a gold pass. Stiffy would be more deserving than Porps & could run out the game more.

 

[DangerSloane]

I think that's the sort of thing you only do with the better players; the players that opposition coaches care enough about to prepare for. I don't think there is much of an advantage to be gained by surprising Richmond with his late inclusion.

EDIT: Although I would love to see it happen.

Itd be more likely that one of our better players has a niggle and might not play. That would be the surprise to richmond, not Lyons coming in.

 

[Elite Crow]

Surely we are not still going to play Hendo in defence!

 

[Mattrox]

Yeah he follows AFC group think

I'm unhappy with the selections and I'm allowed to be I was asking mattrox if he agreed to the changes as he only commented on everyone else not being happy.

IMO I can't see how anyone can be happy Lyons is out. Last week it was all ok cause it was just a rest and Crouch is 20 times the player Lyons will ever be. This week he doesn't come in after a rest and the player that replaced him is also an out.

Baffaling.

And I have said before how is Lyons going to work on his deficiencies? He won't have played any football in two weeks unless we pull a swifty on Sat.

No I'd prefer Lyons play as I don't think his form warrants being dropped. I'm happy enough (for now) with the explanation that his body needs a rest and happy enough that we proactively manage young players. However, this morning before getting my initial fix of BF I did start to wonder about other reasons he might not be playing. I wondered if he wanted a trade or was in trade plans. Getting enough of a game to show his wares but also a team being selected who will play together next year..... nek minit I read this thread.

Not really happy about Jaensch.

Hendo I'm ok with. I reckon more upside than Jaensch but that's not based on fact, just a gut feel.

Mackay has it in him to be a very classy and useful player. I guess I am holding out that he might do a Douglas-like turn around. Think 2 SANFL games could help him.

The reactionary posting is a bit over the top sometimes. Does the club always get it right? No. Do they have more information than BF posters? Yes. We can't know how each player is progessing over the week. And it's not like they are going to come out and say "Lyons has a little soreness, but could actually play" when he is named as emergency. If he gets a call up he'd be targeted.

 

[MRB37]

Surely we are not still going to play Hendo in defence!

My initial thoughts would to be to drop Lynch back into Reilly's loose man role and let Henderson move up forward since I really don't want to see Hendo anywhere near the defensive 50. Who knows what'll happen though.

 

[Stripple]

No I'd prefer Lyons play as I don't think his form warrants being dropped. I'm happy enough (for now) with the explanation that his body needs a rest and happy enough that we proactively manage young players. However, this morning before getting my initial fix of BF I did start to wonder about other reasons he might not be playing. I wondered if he wanted a trade or was in trade plans. Getting enough of a game to show his wares but also a team being selected who will play together next year..... nek minit I read this thread.

Not really happy about Jaensch.

Hendo I'm ok with. I reckon more upside than Jaensch but that's not based on fact, just a gut feel.

Mackay has it in him to be a very classy and useful player. I guess I am holding out that he might do a Douglas-like turn around. Think 2 SANFL games could help him.

The reactionary posting is a bit over the top sometimes. Does the club always get it right? No. Do they have more information than BF posters? Yes. We can't know how each player is progessing over the week. And it's not like they are going to come out and say "Lyons has a little soreness, but could actually play" when he is named as emergency. If he gets a call up he'd be targeted.

Thank you for the response. I can see where your coming from. If you are correct then I think the club needs to work on its PR skills (something it's been lacking for a while) as when we lose like we did on the weekend and we effectively blame the kids (through actions) they need to have a better orator than Harper explain what's going on.

Unfortunately we can only go on what's being said and what actions have been made. Everything IMO points to favoritism/conservative selections. When porps/Jacobs stay in week after week with poor form it gets hard to swallow. Not to mention the one week in straight back out selections.

 

[Mattrox]

Flawed premise IMO. If someone plays and totally stinks it up does their perceived worth go up or down?

Look at the Ricky Henderson example. When he's not playing the media and alot of BF see him as a versatile super athlete who must be in the Crows' best team. Now that he is playing again he's a soft, positionless fringe player.

Look at Richard Tambling. 2010 he didn't get a game because he sucked. But it was dressed up as Tambling being 'out of favour' at Richmond and then in trade week we end up dishing out a first and third rounder for him.

Regarding Mackay, our percptions of him are also coloured by the standard of play he can bring. He CAN play outstanding footy. I would wager that most asking for him to be traded are doing so out of frustration that he hasn't reached his potential and perennially disappoints based on our lofty standards. I remember seeing him as a youngster in a couple of games and at the time I thought "wow, he'll really develop into an elite player", but he hasn't. Was he "Craiged" like Vince and needs a bit of sumpin'-sumpin' to spark him up again? I don't know, but I know he does need to find form. I guess they are backing him (for now) to find it in the AFL. He hasn't been our worst player so I can see why he isn't dropped, but I do think a run in the SANFL could blow out some cob webs (and refocus him on what he needs to do). Anyway, I reckon it's a case of "you're damned if you do and you are damned if you don't".

Your point about Henderson is a good one. But when he is dropped all his fans come out and post, when he is selected all his detractors are out. I hope he can really break out and find consistent form.

 

[Mattrox]

Thank you for the response. I can see where your coming from. If you are correct then I think the club needs to work on its PR skills (something it's been lacking for a while) as when we lose like we did on the weekend and we effectively blame the kids (through actions) they need to have a better orator than Harper explain what's going on.

Unfortunately we can only go on what's being said and what actions have been made. Everything IMO points to favoritism/conservative selections. When porps/Jacobs stay in week after week with poor form it gets hard to swallow. Not to mention the one week in straight back out selections.

Trigg is the Orator, but he has been on the nose since Rendell-gate.

I reckon Jacobs on a bad day is still better than Graham....... But perhaps not a Smack-Jenkins combo - sacrifice the ruck tap, but bring in an extra man to help around the ground. It would re-quire another structural and game-plan re-work, but I think we have the cattle to do it. It's just a matter of if it disrupts the players, tell them one thing all pre-season, re-jig it for the loss of Walker, then again for letting Jacobs find form in the SANFL.

I think Porps has made an impact as sub. I still think his ulcers are preventing him get his fitness base back up. Hopefully this is what the Club is working on, getting him healthy and trying to back him in on his road to recovery. IF that's the case I don't mind it - each player is an individual and should be managed on a case-by-case basis. BUT there does come a time when you say, "We appreciate all the effort you have made to get this far, but we really need you to get some match fitness in the SANFL". A healthy Porps will be great, the kids develop much better when there is someone there to aspire to. I hope he can get healthy and be that inspiration - we all do I guess.

 

[Mattrox]

22 matches over 23 weeks. Has to be a week without a match somewhere.

Aww, go on, I liked my explanation, it blamed Port Power. LOL

 

[jenny61_99]

If Lyons walks at the end of the year then I dont blame him, good luck to the kid, will be a gun inside mid.

AFC on the other hand can go and get f**ked, what sort of message our we sending our young players when they can see guys who aren't performing ie Porps, Mackay etc get a free ride (and an immediate recall in Mackay's case) and these guys try there arse off in the SANFL, consistently put the runs on the board, and yet our match committee cant look beyond that big gold pass......]

And while I'm at it, surely Stiffy is a better option than Nutta at this stage? Surely? Anyone?

But, but ... it was all Neil Craig's fault.

You aren't ever going to keep every player happy. I do agree that Sando has made some bewildering decisions at selection, but he's not the only Coach to ever have done so. They have their reasons. If a player walks because of that, so be it.

 

[knobby]

Talking bout match ups who does the 3 talls down back match up on this week

Riewoldt - Talia
Vickery - Truck
A Edwards - Otten

 

[maxlilly]

I'm sure the players are as confused about selection as we are.
Funny how Sando was saying that he wants to create a culture where players want to stay at the club. Some of the selections and positions players are playing doesn't show that.
The biggest debacle is the gold pass for Porps, how do you think Stiffy thinks about it when he is at least putting scores on the board at SANFL. Cant be good for team harmony.
I think the path we are going down will quickly lead us to be out of the finals race quite soon, so hopefully after that happens, we can see a better plan and system in place for selection. It does look chaotic at the moment.
There seemed to be strange selections last week & it has continued again this week.
Based on that, I wouldn't mind betting we see another poor performance this week at the MCG.
I cant see how Hendo kept his spot after last week ??
Does anyone know who the Crows selection committee is ?

 

[huludicidal]

Rather than continue to discuss the changes for the Tigers game, I'll have a go at the changes we'll make after the bye (as in what I think the selection panel will do, not what I think they should do):

IN: A.Riley, Kerridge, B.Reilly

OUT: Henderson, Jaensch, Porplyzia

Clearly Lyons has committed some sort of hate crime against Sando, so I've left him out (despite my belief that he should be in our starting 18). To all of those defending his omission by stating 'he must have done something wrong' or 'they wouldn't drop him for no reason', or 'he needs to go back and work on his deficiencies', I have nothing to offer but "look at the clearance numbers, look at his sanfl form over the last 18 months and watch him spin out of trouble and dish off quality handballs in traffic like nobody else in our squad is capable of".

This week's selection of the 3 I have listed as 'outs' against the Tigers this week is highly questionable. They have all repeatedly proven this season that they aren't up to it. This week is probably their 'last chance'. Call me a pessimist but I really don't think any of them will impress. If Henderson lines up in defense again we are taking the piss. Play him on a wing or at half forward ffs. Or preferably not at all.

Does Brent deserve to come straight back in after one game? No. Is he an absolute lock to come straight back in after one game? I'd say so.

Aiden Riley has been bashing down the door for some time now and should be rewarded. I think after we receive another inside midfield reaming this week they'll cave and give him a shot.

Kerridge is clearly in our future plans, but I actually agreed with him getting a spell this week. Looked awful the last fortnight (although that may simply have been due to being given the wrong role - did anyone see him enter the forward 50 at any stage?).

The 3 predicted outs above outline exactly what the problem is in the selections this week. If any one of those 3 players plays a shit game tomorrow, they will be dropped. Virtually everyone paying attention in the last 6 months expects them all to play a shit game, so why the hell are they in this week? The only one I can kind of stomach is Jaensch, but only if he plays on a wing or up forward. The thought of Hendo, Jaensch and D-Mac all playing in defense is laughable.



For the record, my changes this week would have been the following:

OUT: B.Reilly, Henderson, Porplyzia, Petrenko, Kerridge

IN: Lyons, Mackay (only if he's actually 100% fit), Johncock (questionable, but give the old fella one last crack to try and lift the boys while he's high on confidence after they've had a horror loss), A.Riley, Wright

 

[Cap]

I hope they play Matty J up forward.

I had a nightmare last night they played him in defence.....