Changes

[The Other Dean]

Its all about taking the next step with Hansen. A few times Lachy was ball watching on satdy night. His place is in defence. His role in my view is to take the CHF. As tough as it is for the bloke and as much as its unwarranted, Lachy as pick3 just needs to have a 15 mark 25 possession 100+ DT game against a good oponent to take that next step.

Yeah, not really my thing, taz.

More of a Hanson fan.

Happy for Lachie to keep steadily improving at the rate he has.

 

[Zvim]

FB: McMahon Thompson Rawlings
HB: Harding Hansen Grima
C: Anthony Ziebell Bastinac
HF: Campbell Smith Wright
FF: Warren Hale Edwards
R: McIntosh Swallow Greenwood
I: Goldstein Cunnington Harvey Wells

In: McMahon, Harding, Edwards, Smith, Greenwood, Cunnington
Out: Firrito, Jones, Ross, Adams, Thomas, Urquhart

Wright is a talented kid, he is no defender. It give him a forward flank role with license to run inside 50 to create more forward line space.

We have too many guys in do-nothing positions and too many guys who are just not having much impact atm.

 

[The Other Dean]

If they make 6 changes, I will eat a very large hat.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Why on earth when you complain about players not being up to it would you suggest to bring Tarrant in?

I would love to know what he did in the NAB cup games to say that he is anywhere near up to it. From what I saw of him against Geelong and fremantle he looked completely lost and not up to it at times. If he's in our best 22 then it's bottom 4 here we come.

Corey Jones was far from our worst tonight. Sure he didn't get a lot of it but when he did he was pretty constructive and at least showed some composure. 7 tackles as well suggests he worked hard enough when we didn't have the ball (which was about 90% of the game).

OUT: Ross, Thomas, Urquhart, Wells

IN: Harding, McMahon, Cunnington, Edwards

If Harvey gets suspended then I hope Greenwood is ready to go.

Playing a natural CHF in the backline during practice matches will do that to ya.

POINTS OF VIEW

Ok, to the people here crying the McMahon/Turtle song......there are set rules IN PLAYING UNDER SCOTT'S GAME PLAN ( I assume scott made an example of them last week ) probably back in this week and don't worry I bet they're hurting watching saturdays game as well.

Daniel Wells is soft.

Harvey's worst game I've seen him play.I'm aware his grandmum passed away. He had the option of declining to play but decide to go ahead (Ross Lyon even mentioned he might not play post game interview)
No excuses Boomer!! being captain isn't just on the training track nor is it a figure head.Yes you've earned it but now you have to lead from the front and show what it means to be captain........ya no good to anyone being on the sidelines under suspension.

I have a concern about Ben Warren yes he's beefed up (as Dean Brogan knows) but his kicking for goals is a worry...he has to let fly from inside the 50 for any chance and at the moment due to drew not being there he is running outside the 50 more often as what was planned (up to and not after RD2) but that now is changed. Drew's injury has changed probably Scotts strategy....yes he had some sought of structure I'm sure, but its obvious we need Ben warren to be the opposition's 3rd focus in our forward line not our 2nd. Is Corey Jones the answer ?? can't be measured on our game on saturday surely??

Last year Nth's backline was one of the best performing in the AFL. Calling to axe certain players who were matched up against wrong opponents is just being silly....I'm sure 99% of us aren't privy to the planning or the set of the team. Who knows Scott's comments preseason regarding this is NOT a rebuilding year etc was a bluff. There are some unusual match ups no doubt so far, are they mistakes made by a coach new to the game or does he wish to see how certain players react to such a pasting like we encountered last saturday only time will tell. there are alot of people here that were calling for laidley's head last year you got it.............now your complaining about the new coach and his methods of coaching??
Unless you applied for the coaches job fella's I can't see how any of you can or have to right to complain.

 

[spurs]

FB: McMahon Thompson Rawlings
HB: Harding Hansen Grima
C: Anthony Ziebell Bastinac
HF: Campbell Smith Wright
FF: Warren Hale Edwards
R: McIntosh Swallow Greenwood
I: Goldstein Cunnington Harvey Wells

In: McMahon, Harding, Edwards, Smith, Greenwood, Cunnington
Out: Firrito, Jones, Ross, Adams, Thomas, Urquhart

Wright is a talented kid, he is no defender. It give him a forward flank role with license to run inside 50 to create more forward line space.

We have too many guys in do-nothing positions and too many guys who are just not having much impact atm.

I like all of those inclusions although I would keep Jones. Smith can wait for another opportunity.Sam Wright is a hff'er and should never be in the backline again.He is a very lucky boy to be kept in the team and needs to show us what he can do in our forward line.

 

[Eagle Eye]

In the reserves where he deserves to be.

You'll find he's out injured

 

[blackshadow]

If they make 6 changes, I will eat a very large hat.

This hat looks rather tasty - would go well on the BBQ

 

[naturally north]

If they make 6 changes, I will eat a very large hat.

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would you like sauce with that?

I think you could argue for more than six changes (not saying we will of course)

Garlett did well in the VFLapparently.... out Adams.

Cunnington .... out Bastinac ( not sure we want them both in the side together just yet. Maybe after memberships close)

Smith... out Jones not overly popular on thses boards I know, but sh!t he'd give a better contest than anyone else who's played CHF for us in the 1st 2 rd's

Greenwood..... out Ross

Edwards.... out McIntosh .Edwards to F/F Smith CHF & Hale/Goldy to ruck.

Harding.... out Wright

McMahon...out Urquhart

Just lucky for a couple more than Lower/Petrie aren't available.

 

[NMFC Est 1869]

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would you like sauce with that?

I think you could argue for more than six changes (not saying we will of course)

Garlett did well in the VFLapparently.... out Adams. = No surprise

Cunnington .... out Bastinac ( not sure we want them both in the side together just yet. Maybe after memberships close) = Just silly

Smith... out Jones not overly popular on thses boards I know, but sh!t he'd give a better contest than anyone else who's played CHF for us in the 1st 2 rd's = Fair enough

Greenwood..... out Ross = Fair enough if Levi is fit

Edwards.... out McIntosh .Edwards to F/F Smith CHF & Hale/Goldy to ruck. = Even sillier

Harding.... out Wright = Fair enough, Wright may need to rebuild confidence

McMahon...out Urquhart = NO
Just lucky for a couple more than Lower/Petrie aren't available.

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[naturally north]

fair enough, I was looking for a bit of controversey.

But i will just ask you this IF Petrie was available which tall would make way?

Now McIntosh was shocking on Sat night- 31 hitouts and nothing else- IF Harding & Mcmahon get omitted for their efforts in rd 1, McIntosh can't be safe this week.
He needs to toughen up real quick.

Cunnington & Bastinac in the same side? After Simmo's gone, Gibson, Power, Watt, Petrie's injury no Pratt, McMahon or Harding? Mate we won't win a game this season if we don't bring back some more seasoned bodies.

 

[karjam]

Christ the guy was far from our worst, he actually didnt cough the ball up when he had it.

And he only played about 60% game time, of which he had 6 clearances, out of 12 possessions!

Who was our Centre Half Forward on Sat night???? Put Edwards or Smith there leave Hale at Full forward and swap with McIntosh in the ruck , even throw Firritto on a half forward flank, Warren on the other, Thomas in the pocket and leigh harding in the other pocket at least he is quick and dangerous around goal

 

[mark73]

Is Greenwood fit? If he is then he's in.

B-McMahon, Grima, Thompson
HB-Firrito, Hansen, Harding
C-Wells, Swallow, Anthony
HF-Warren, Smith, Campbell
F-Adams, Hale, Thomas
R-McIntosh, Ziebell, Harvey
INT-Rawlings, Goldstein, Greenwood, Bastinac
EMER-Wright, Ross, Edwards

IN-Smith, Harding, McMahon, Greenwood
OUT-Jones, Ross, Urquhart, Wright

 

[NMFC Est 1869]

fair enough, I was looking for a bit of controversey.

But i will just ask you this IF Petrie was available which tall would make way?

Now McIntosh was shocking on Sat night- 31 hitouts and nothing else- IF Harding & Mcmahon get omitted for their efforts in rd 1, McIntosh can't be safe this week.
He needs to toughen up real quick.

Cunnington & Bastinac in the same side? After Simmo's gone, Gibson, Power, Watt, Petrie's injury no Pratt, McMahon or Harding? Mate we won't win a game this season if we don't bring back some more seasoned bodies.

Goldy is the obvious tall, he isnt a centre half forward, but having said that I really think Hale hurts us when the ball hits the deck cos his forward pressure is non-existent. Its a tough one. If Petrie & Warren play Corey Jones doesnt as well, so Goldy survives as back up ruckman with occassional forward foray.

 

[Zvim]

If they make 6 changes, I will eat a very large hat.

They wont but they should, not just because we lost but because our structure is shit atm. Greenwood and Cunnington are only out of the side due to being injured previously. Same with Lower, these guys should be in the side when fit.

We need McMahon and Harding back in defence, we are getting zero drive out of defence.

We need more targets up forward, we need a CHF that can lead up and take some marks, who has been our CHF the last two weeks, I can't even recall that is how bad it is at present. Smith provides a target. Edwards close to goal is a guy that can grab some marks and kick a few goals, he should be no more than 35m away from goal.

These changes will help to give us a structure more like what we had towards the end of 09.

 

[Flawed Genius]

McMahon Grima Thompson
Firrito Hansen Harding
Anthony Ziebell Wells
Warren Edwards Wright
Garlett Hale Campbell

McIntosh Swallow Greenwood
Rawlings Goldstein Bastinac Speight

Out: Ross Jones Thomas Urquhart Harvey (susp.) Adams
In: Speight Edwards McMahon Harding Garlett Greenwood

Cunners emergency, probably

Agree with the calls that Wright is not a defender and shouldn't be played as such, turning a creative forward flanker with goal sense and freakish handling below his knees into a dime-a-dozen gritty half-back flanker is such a Laidley move

Also, did anyone else catch that bullshit from the Hun regarding something called "FSI", or "Full Strength Indicator"? Apparently regards how close to full strength your named side is. On the weekend, St Kilda were at 93%, and we were at 89%

Missing from what the Herald Sun considers our best side were Petrie, McMahon, Harding & Pratt - and from what I can glean from the Hun website, replacing them we had Goldstein (Petrie), Wright (Harding), Ross (McMahon) and Warren (Pratt)

Our full strength side in the Hun's eyes looks like:

M.FIRRITO S.THOMPSON B.RAWLINGS
G.URQUHART L.HANSEN N.GRIMA
B.HARVEY D.WELLS S.MCMAHON
L.ANTHONY D.PETRIE L.HARDING
C.JONES D.HALE M.CAMPBELL
H.MCINTOSH J.ZIEBELL A.SWALLOW

L.THOMAS L.ADAMS D.PRATT R.BASTINAC

 

[Zvim]

I'd like to see a few slightly older bodies come in. Our midfield is so unbelievably young. We need a couple of players that can provide some physical support.

That was the role Greenwood and Lower played, it hurt our structure badly that they copped injuries late in the pre-season. They provided a lot of the physicality in the middle and took the pressure off of the younger blokes.

 

[Zvim]

Our best side is hard to determine because we are in transition, we have some older players on the way out and some younger players on the way in. You typically have the senior guys for stability but most of our senior players have been a let-down since 2008. You can't realistically put many of our senior players into our best side already.

People mocked me about this time last year when I said we wouldn't go forward until Simpson, Power and Rawlings were gone from the midfield and that is what a new coach would do. Just too many weak links.

At present Wells is a liability in the middle, he is just way too soft and unaccountable. He can play a whole lot better but I think his issues are largely above the shoulders, not below the waist. He will play well when the rest of the mids play well. He isn't going to be at the front leading by example.

Our midfield late last year was looking good because we had Swallow playing well, Greenwood cutting up the best opposition midfielder, Lower doing the hard pack busting and creating room for Anthony and co to get a lot of the ball, we also had Garlett in who was magic with his use of the ball and Adams was playing well off the bench.

We didn't have access to Ziebell, Wells, Bastinac or Cunnington then. There should have been a big improvement there this year.

Greenwood and Lower going down hurt a lot. Garlett's pre-season was mediocre at best, Swallow has now copped the best opposition midfielder and can't get the same amount of ball he was getting last year. Wells not doing much of note and there is more pressure is on Ziebell, Bastinac, Adams and Ross.

We need some senior or hard bodied players in the guts that are taking the load off of the younger inexperienced players. If we have Greenwood and Lower on the two best opposition mids it will take a lot of pressure off of Cunnington, Ziebell and Bastinac while creating more opportunities for Anthony and Swallow.

We are not going to front up to a St Kilda or Geelong every week but we need good structure. At this point in time I can't see Ross or Adams being anything more than very good future depth players, that is fine because not everyone on your list can be stars, but they have big limitations at present they can't be expected to play major roles while we are carrying a small army of ineffective players.

 

[robaba]

I like Scotts' comment about not hiding the developing players from the real pressure. They can get burnt early but if they have any character, they should come out as better players in the long run. I think Wells being wrapped up in cotton wool has made him soft. He might well prove me wrong, but now is the time for a 'senior' star like him to step up.

 

[Zvim]

I like Scotts' comment about not hiding the developing players from the real pressure. They can get burnt early but if they have any character, they should come out as better players in the long run. I think Wells being wrapped up in cotton wool has made him soft. He might well prove me wrong, but now is the time for a 'senior' star like him to step up.

Yep, many coaches would have put them in safe spots. It is good for Hansen to learn some humiliating lessons. It is good for Ziebell and Bastinac to know what it is like to be lambs to the slaughter. This is pretty much what we did to a young Saints side many years ago, we humiliated them in some games but they learnt from that.

Welcome to the rollercoaster, there will be some big ups and downs.

 

[robaba]

I like the crash and burn attitude.
We cannot survive as a mediocre team which does not see a flag for 30 years. Richmond can do that, they have fanatical supporters who sign on as members year in, year out. Our supporters will not do that.
We have to aim for the top.
After the example of our champion team of the nineties we either sink or swim.
Please guys, no more 100 point thrashings.

 

[Jay-Z]

Assumming Levi is fit...

IN McMahon OUT Urquhart
IN Harding OUT Adams
IN Smith OUT Jones
IN Greenwood OUT Ross

 

[Kimbo]

Assuming Levi is not fit...

Out: Jones, Ross, Wright, Urquhart

In: Harding, McMahon, Garlett, Tarrant.

I like the crash and burn attitude.

Please guys, no more 100 point thrashings.

I hear you goose (I think). ;-)

 

[budge11]

I'd keep CJ for another week. We need some blokes with experience there... he was smothered by shit delivery against the Saints.

 

[Blight von Torp]

Can't see the point of ever playing CJ again. He might have some reasonable form, but there's got to be a player around who would go equally well, and who is going to be around for a while. What is Scooter thinking there?

For mine that's either Smith or Tarrant. I'd play Smith to see how he goes. He leads hard, which would take a defender with him and leave Hale more room, less pressure, to play the role he does best, i.e. being kind of stationary near the goal line (if he's going to be in the team). Smith's leading might also create space behind for the crumbers.

Other than that, I don't really care. Garlett apparently was good for the Roosters with 30 touches. I think he definitely added something to the midfield when he was playing last year.

 

[roo_boy_29]

INS: Josh smith, Mcmahon, Harding
OUTS: Urquart, Ross, Jones.

Start Harvey, Rawlings and Wells in the guts with Swallow, Anthony, Ziebell and Bastinac as second mids. Can't wait to get Greenwood back and for Cunnington and Speight to play. Im still excited about this season.