Universal Love Charlie ‘Chook’ Constable

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cats_09

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Disagree. Either name him in the starting 22 or play him in the 2s where he can get some decent match fitness.

The fact that he was benched for half of the last quarter is damning when we were down a rotation. Either he was injured or his fitness clearly is an issue.
I get a feeling that his lack of game time in the last quarter, especially late in the match was more to do with his lack of spread from the contest with concerns that if he didn't get his hands on the ball first or a teammate and instead of was the Hawks who got first hands on the ball, that we may not have got enough defensive pressure from him

He's not known for his chasing or defensive pressure, so maybe a preference shown to those who could lockdown on the opposition if/when required
 

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GHS mark 2. Can’t defend. On a day we were down on rotations - in a season with limited rotations / his aerobic capacity is so sh*t he still sat on the bench flat out. Aside from his goal, he didn’t gain meters. He didn’t hurt hawthorn with his disposal. He’s a VFL player and Narkle would offer us infinitely more. Both as a sub or a picked player.
 

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That was concerning. Unfortunately becoming a pattern. He has the ability.
42% TOG. The next lowest midfielder was Guthrie with 77. Parfitt had 80 (I assume boosted from resting forward). He's a conundrum - that second quarter was massive but did nothing after that.
 

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I wish someone would ask Scott strait out about Charlie,he was asked about Cams 43 yesterday and gave an answer most wouldn't have expected basically saying yes he was great inside and it was good he got the ball,but left the felling he didn't think he did much with it,lots of dinky chipping it around stuff.
 

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Most damning piece of play for me was during the last quarter. Ball went into our forward line and he would not or could not take 2 steps to make a marking contest with a medium sized Hawk defender. Never want to see him in the Firsts again. He only has a tank for for a quarter of football. Unfortunately with injuries he will probably get another game this week.
 

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I wish someone would ask Scott strait out about Charlie,he was asked about Cams 43 yesterday and gave an answer most wouldn't have expected basically saying yes he was great inside and it was good he got the ball,but left the felling he didn't think he did much with it,lots of dinky chipping it around stuff.
Which is probably true, I had him comfortably best on ground (and I think almost everyone else would agree), but it wasn't the most damaging 43 disposal game I've ever seen.
 

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I wish someone would ask Scott strait out about Charlie,he was asked about Cams 43 yesterday and gave an answer most wouldn't have expected basically saying yes he was great inside and it was good he got the ball,but left the felling he didn't think he did much with it,lots of dinky chipping it around stuff.
The context of that answer was in respect to the question "was that Guthrie's best game ever?". It came off a bit critical but I think what Scott was try to say was that Guthrie is a gun, and played well, but no it wasn't his best game, he's had games where he's been more damaging with his ball use.
 

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I've been a CC supporter as inside accumulators are valuable - felt vindicated in the second quarter when he was on fire.
Very deflated in the second half - I really hope he picked up a knock or something that restricted him as it was underwhelming to say the least :(
 

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I've been a CC supporter as inside accumulators are valuable - felt vindicated in the second quarter when he was on fire.
Very deflated in the second half - I really hope he picked up a knock or something that restricted him as it was underwhelming to say the least :(
I thought he ran super hard in the 3rd. Was usually the first mid back.
He'd be in the backline then all of a sudden he'd be in the forward line.
Barely noticed him if at all in the last though.
 

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I've been a CC supporter as inside accumulators are valuable - felt vindicated in the second quarter when he was on fire.
Very deflated in the second half - I really hope he picked up a knock or something that restricted him as it was underwhelming to say the least :(
One of the other big takeaways from yesterday is that he had no clearances - so 14 disposals across the match, including 9 in the second quarter and not one clearance in those, and he's been seen as an inside mid where his clearance work is meant to be a strength

In the past it's been said he's competing with the likes of Selwood, Dangerfield or even Guthrie for a midfield spot where he's at the centre bounce or in the thick of things and the extractor getting first use of the ball for the team. With O'Connor moving into a tagging role the past couple of weeks, it seems he's now competing with another player for those midfield opportunities, getting into the guts at the centre bounces and contests, and what may not be helpful for Constable is that while O'Connor seems to be primarily playing a tagging role the past couple of weeks, he's also showing he can get his hands on the ball first and finished with the 3rd most clearances on the ground with 8 for the match (O'Meara had 13, Guthrie 10 and O'Connors main opponent in Mitchell had 4)


Constable is become a rather frustrating player because there's clearly good aspects to his game and he seems to be able to have a strong impact in a short period of time when he comes onto the field, but he doesn't seem to be able to sustain that impact for whatever reason, and that "whatever" seems to be holding him back for the moment
 

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One of the other big takeaways from yesterday is that he had no clearances - so 14 disposals across the match, including 9 in the second quarter and not one clearance in those, and he's been seen as an inside mid where his clearance work is meant to be a strength

In the past it's been said he's competing with the likes of Selwood, Dangerfield or even Guthrie for a midfield spot where he's at the centre bounce or in the thick of things and the extractor getting first use of the ball for the team. With O'Connor moving into a tagging role the past couple of weeks, it seems he's now competing with another player for those midfield opportunities, getting into the guts at the centre bounces and contests, and what may not be helpful for Constable is that while O'Connor seems to be primarily playing a tagging role the past couple of weeks, he's also showing he can get his hands on the ball first and finished with the 3rd most clearances on the ground with 8 for the match (O'Meara had 13, Guthrie 10 and O'Connors main opponent in Mitchell had 4)


Constable is become a rather frustrating player because there's clearly good aspects to his game and he seems to be able to have a strong impact in a short period of time when he comes onto the field, but he doesn't seem to be able to sustain that impact for whatever reason, and that "whatever" seems to be holding him back for the moment
Didn't he have 16 possessions off 42%GT?
If you're going to malign a guy at least don't misquote his possessions.
That's just plain dishonesty.
 

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He had 14...
Not that 2 disposals makes any difference anyway.
He’s done. It’s a shame, but he’s not good enough. I’ve sat on the fence for the past year or two not sure where he’d end up, but I’m convinced now that this will be his last year. Cant carry a player with deficiencies like his unless they are exceptional in other areas, which he is not.
 

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Didn't he have 16 possessions off 42%GT?
If you're going to malign a guy at least don't misquote his possessions.
That's just plain dishonesty.
First, don't think I actually maligned the guy, rather I just started the facts of his game from yesterday - 14 disposals with 0 clearances, from a player we're told is a big bodied inside midfielder where extraction is meant to be a strength isn't a great return

Second, next time your going to question the stats that are listed by a stats nut (and yes I have various stats websites bookmarked, along with following various sports stats & facts social media accounts), I suggest you look at the relevant stats yourself first

You can praise the guy and his games all you like, but boosting his stats to what they weren't is just plain dishonest
 

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First, don't think I actually maligned the guy, rather I just started the facts of his game from yesterday - 14 disposals with 0 clearances, from a player we're told is a big bodied inside midfielder where extraction is meant to be a strength isn't a great return

Second, next time your going to question the stats that are listed by a stats nut (and yes I have various stats websites bookmarked, along with following various sports stats & facts social media accounts), I suggest you look at the relevant stats yourself first

You can praise the guy and his games all you like, but boosting his stats to what they weren't is just plain dishonest
You obviously don't like the guy, that's ok, l think we all understand you.
Loud and clear
 

cats_09

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He’s done. It’s a shame, but he’s not good enough. I’ve sat on the fence for the past year or two not sure where he’d end up, but I’m convinced now that this will be his last year. Cant carry a player with deficiencies like his unless they are exceptional in other areas, which he is not.
One thing that seems clear from his 4 matches this year (including the Essendon preseason match), is that he's shown capability to have an impact when he first comes on - whether the 4 quarter when subbed in late, first quarter when starting the match or second quarter as we saw yesterday

But he hasn't shown an ability to sustain that impact or a continued involvement in games when he's been on for longer than 1 quarter.

Even yesterday with being subbed on in the second quarter, his 42% TOG was still less than Higgins with 48% who went off with a hamstring injury - I know he missed the first quarter, but he just didn't seem to get used much especially in the last quarter.

After last week there seemed to be questions raised about his fitness or his tank, but after yesterday he seemed to spend a good portion of time on the bench in the last quarter even when we're down to 3 on the bench & the first gamer is cramping up. It had me wondering last night if the reluctance to use him later in matches, especially tight matches is also to do with his lack of leg speed & spread from the contest - if we win the contest then it doesn't necessarily hurt as much as if the opposition gets a clean clearance

I said before, there's some real good aspects to his game but there's also something/s holding him back, and right now whatever it is holding him back is outweighing the positives
 

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