Universal Love Charlie ‘Chook’ Constable

[Pure_Ownage]

Interest the boys from Krock have swung behind me have a listen to their last pod cast.

Cams kicking isnt damaging but his running to open up space for the more damaging kicks in our team and his link up by hand is. CC cant do this because he doesnt have the endurance.

 

[you pick one]

If nothing else, have to admire your tenacity.

I was beginning to have self doubts and was so pleased the K rock boys were brave enough to call him out on his game Different running patterns could see him with 30% fewer possession but become a true match winner trust me.

 

[Strange Cat]

Pity if you ask me,unless he turns his current game around and that's a chance with the new coaching group, hope he does,

Yeah that’s why the club has given him a big contract and shown Chook the door

take your L

 

[CatToTheFuture]

In 2019, when Constable was given some games, not used as the sub all the time and was able to practise in the VFL, he averaged about 68% TOG. That's only about 2-5% off what Guthrie has averaged in the last few years, since he's become more of a permanent midfielder. So, not sure if that's the best comparison point really. Presumably if Constable had been able to improve his tank so he could stay out there and effective for a few more minutes a game, akin to where Guthrie is, he'd have a place in the starting side. And while his inability to do that may be the reason for his delisting, I think it's fair to say that 2020 and 2021 have not been great years for young player development. Severely interrupted seconds competitions, limited and reduced access to club staff as well as likely less capacity for the club to address its young players as the primary focus has been keeping the senior team going in the midst of constantly changing rules for the primary competition. These have not been ideal conditions for players to develop. I would figure it hard to develop match conditioning when you have few opportunities to play matches.

It took literal heart surgery to set Guthrie right. Where is the change coming from for Chook?

 

[Strange Cat]

It took literal heart surgery to set Guthrie right. Where is the change coming from for Chook?

EPO

 

[CatToTheFuture]

EPO

If ever there was proof that the cats are not involved in doping it is the career of Charles Constable

 

[tenderwarrior]

Re Charlie, I may be wrong but I do not think the Club has said anything about selecting him as a rookie. I thought it is only based on a comment his manager made, saying Geelong have done the right thing by Charlie in letting him go, but they may re-rookie him if he had no other offers.

As I said though, I may be wrong..

 

[cats_09]

Mitch Clearly on the news said that with Greenwood moving to North as a DFA that GC may now turn their attention to attention to available mature aged players with the likes of Trent Dumont

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Trent Dumont

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

20.1

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.7

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.6

1star

T

4.4

5star

CL

2.6

5star

or Charlie Constable

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Charlie Constable

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

22.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

- anyone think that he may be a player who could now be on their radar ahead of the upcoming draft?

 

[David the Cat]

The Suns would probably snap up Constable....




...then lodge the paperwork too late....

 

[BORIS332]

We don't get great value from Cam Guthries disposals either he's the epitome of not damaging.

Garbage call. Rates elite for efficiency, above average for score involvements and goal assists.

If you wanted to rag in C.Guthrie you’re about five years too late. Absolute gun.

 

[BORIS332]

Mitch Clearly on the news said that with Greenwood moving to North as a DFA that GC may now turn their attention to attention to available mature aged players with the likes of Trent Dumont or Charlie Constable - anyone think that he may be a player who could now be on their radar ahead of the upcoming draft?

Nope, he’d be an enormous downgrade on Greenwood, with so few list spots they’ll likely back those already on their list.

 

[you pick one]

Garbage call. Rates elite for efficiency, above average for score involvements and goal assists.

If you wanted to rag in C.Guthrie you’re about five years too late. Absolute gun.

Wrong 2016 was probable his best year.

 

[My Tilly]

Nope, he’d be an enormous downgrade on Greenwood, with so few list spots they’ll likely back those already on their list.

He would be a good pick up for the Suns.
Has shown he can average more possessions than what Greenwood has https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=13&type=A&pid1=6507&pid2=4151&fid1=C&fid2=C plus the added bonus of potential upside if he improves on the aerobic capacity.

 

[David the Cat]

A downgrade all the same...

 

[cats_09]

He would be a good pick up for the Suns.
Has shown he can average more possessions than what Greenwood has https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=13&type=A&pid1=6507&pid2=4151&fid1=C&fid2=C plus the added bonus of potential upside if he improves on the aerobic capacity.

If the focus is purely on total disposals then you could maybe argue Constable is the better prospect, but Greenwood covers him in other key areas:

Contested possessions: 11.6 vs 7.2
Tackles: 6.9 vs 3.2
Clearances: 5 vs 2.6

This past season, Greenwood ranked in the top 2 in those categories for the Sun's - not sure the extra couple of disposals that Constable may offer would necessarily negate what they've lost with Greenwood moving on

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Garbage call. Rates elite for efficiency, above average for score involvements and goal assists.

If you wanted to rag in C.Guthrie you’re about five years too late. Absolute gun.

Interesting what you say about Guthrie there. In his time at Geelong I would say the only criticism you could make of the club’s performance is its losing finals. Since score involvement stats have been provided from 2015 onwards, Guthrie has played 8 losing finals for 17 score involvements which seems exceedingly low. For comparison, Mitch Duncan I think has 37 score involvements in 9 losing finals over that time. Guthrie's goals and goal assists in these games are very low as well. Do you think this is part of the reason why some people don’t see Guthrie's disposals as especially damaging?

 

[Partridge]

Interesting what you say about Guthrie there. In his time at Geelong I would say the only criticism you could make of the club’s performance is its losing finals. Since score involvement stats have been provided from 2015 onwards, Guthrie has played 8 losing finals for 17 score involvements which seems exceedingly low. For comparison, Mitch Duncan I think has 37 score involvements in 9 losing finals over that time. Guthrie's goals and goal assists in these games are very low as well. Do you think this is part of the reason why some people don’t see Guthrie's disposals as especially damaging?

I think that's pretty accurate. It's not that he can't play, but he's not a superstar and at times - especially in finals - his touches just don't damage the opposition. Mind you he's not the only poor finals performer we have and in truth there are plenty worse.

 

[Sky]

Mitch Clearly on the news said that with Greenwood moving to North as a DFA that GC may now turn their attention to attention to available mature aged players with the likes of Trent Dumont or Charlie Constable - anyone think that he may be a player who could now be on their radar ahead of the upcoming draft?

Both of those guys are better than our worst midfielder whoever that is is up to whoever is reading to decide but it’s still a fact

 

[MacStradbroke]

Both of those guys are better than our worst midfielder whoever that is is up to whoever is reading to decide but it’s still a fact

Constable is better than our worst midfielder, did I read that correctly? Someone got it wrong at Catland then.

 

[cats_09]

Both of those guys are better than our worst midfielder whoever that is is up to whoever is reading to decide but it’s still a fact

I'd say it's more of an opinion then a fact

Now in terms of our worse midfielder - is that the worse midfielder to play seniors or the worse midfielder on our list who may not have played a senior game last season?

Looking at Footywire and the guys listed as midfielders for the club, Cooper is the only one who didn't play and then looking at the ones who did play, not sure Constable ranks above too many which is the likely reason he only played 3 games - so technically, could Constable be seen as our worst midfielder?

 

[cats_09]

Constable is better than our worst midfielder, did I read that correctly? Someone got it wrong at Catland then.

But what if Constable was or worse midfielder?

Is he then better than himself?

 

[Spazz Cat]

Interesting what you say about Guthrie there. In his time at Geelong I would say the only criticism you could make of the club’s performance is its losing finals. Since score involvement stats have been provided from 2015 onwards, Guthrie has played 8 losing finals for 17 score involvements which seems exceedingly low. For comparison, Mitch Duncan I think has 37 score involvements in 9 losing finals over that time. Guthrie's goals and goal assists in these games are very low as well. Do you think this is part of the reason why some people don’t see Guthrie's disposals as especially damaging?

I appreciate the effort you put in. But stats can be a bit misleading.
Duncan is actually a worse finals player than Guthrie.
Something just goes horribly wrong with him come September.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I appreciate the effort you put in. But stats can be a bit misleading.
Duncan is actually a worse finals player than Guthrie.
Something just goes horribly wrong with him come September.

Having a look over their finals stats then, these must be very misleading, as Duncan has a far superior finals record than Guthrie does when looked at statistically. This year Duncan played finals off a long term injury, and I think has had some other finals series interrupted by injuries. Overall his finals stats seem to look ok-ish. Guthrie’s just look poor, and in particular his scoring impact seems to have been near non-existent in the finals games the Cats have lost. Maybe he had more defensive roles? His tackle count also drops in finals though.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Having a look over their finals stats then, these must be very misleading, as Duncan has a far superior finals record than Guthrie does when looked at statistically. This year Duncan played finals off a long term injury, and I think has had some other finals series interrupted by injuries. Overall his finals stats seem to look ok-ish. Guthrie’s just look poor, and in particular his scoring impact seems to have been near non-existent in the finals games the Cats have lost. Maybe he had more defensive roles? His tackle count also drops in finals though.

I'm not saying Guthrie is an awesome finals performer. He plays for Geelong.
Just better than Duncan.
Guthrie had a really great 2013 finals series. Was a defender though. So stats would be low.
Noone would say Duncan had a great finals series ever. Any year.
Guthrie was BOG in the Isaac Smith final. Close game.
Probs BOG in the WC final which did get close for a while.
Duncan has got a lot of possessions. And looked good when we've been well on top.
But many finals that we've lost or have even been close his disposal efficiency has gone in the 60s and it costs us bad.
Most memorable example for a non Geelong person would be the 2013 Hawks final where he kept bombing it to them and was a major factor why we lost.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Interesting what you say about Guthrie there. In his time at Geelong I would say the only criticism you could make of the club’s performance is its losing finals. Since score involvement stats have been provided from 2015 onwards, Guthrie has played 8 losing finals for 17 score involvements which seems exceedingly low. For comparison, Mitch Duncan I think has 37 score involvements in 9 losing finals over that time. Guthrie's goals and goal assists in these games are very low as well. Do you think this is part of the reason why some people don’t see Guthrie's disposals as especially damaging?

Those stats are pretty unfair considering he played a number of those games in defence and in general plays a much more defensive role than Duncan. He had an ordinary finals series this year and a poor second half of the year in general but for most of his career his finals performances have been better than his H&A performances.

His kicking is clearly the 2nd best of our mids behind Duncan and is excellent going inside 50 when he gets the chance. But he generally plays a more defensive role so gets more possessions around half back so that our less accountable midfielders can play more attacking roles.