Charlie Gardiner

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Everybody seems to rag charlie out. Sure he is not a Jon Brown bustler but seeing last night and some of his previous football the guy can be a very good player for geelong. If he can play a link role like last night he provides a good avenue to set up goals. This is a role geelong recruited Haynes for.

If charlie plays like that each week ie 8 or so marks and a couple of goals/assists geelong wil be hard to stop.

Picture this- charlie marks 70 out, handballs to ablett who passes to ottens.

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I though Gardiner was ordinary again last night, i thought he was given a good run and his teammates did look for him but he continues to drop easy marks, goes to ground to easily and makes bad decisions, i doubt very much if he will be in our best 22 during the year

Chapman, Playfair, S.Johnson
Ablett, Ottens, Kingsley = our best forward set up to start with i'd say!
 

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Yep, he could be pretty good this year, and needs to be.

Could have had 12 or 13 marks on an experienced player in Witnall. This is what Riewoldt does week in week out, easy, uncontested marks on the flanks or just outside 50 up the guts, and Riewoldt is claimed to be a superstar. Gardiner can do that.
 

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I said all I wanted from Charlie was to kick the ones he should. And he did.He will do all the movement naturally.

On that effort he is in our best 22.He still need to improve his leap or his timing or both. He also need to take a mark without looking like he is about to drop it but. He gave us the moving option and did a reasonable job.

Have to say its about time,he should be doing something because considering he was picked before Steve Johnson,before H at p23 he should be in our best 22 now or hes looking like a dud pick. Just once Id like to see a kid weve picked show the type of imediate impact of Mitch Clark.Picked at 9 last year, gees where were the likes of him when we we had a pick in the top10
 

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He should not be in our best 22. Mackie would get a game before him i think.

But last night, he was good i thought. If he can play that for the NAb cup, i'd give him a go in the seniors for sure. But i still dont think he deserves to be there at the moment.

He thinks to much when he has the ball.
 

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On that effort he is in our best 22.He still need to improve his leap or his timing or both. He also need to take a mark without looking like he is about to drop it but. He gave us the moving option and did a reasonable job.
Have to disagree. His movement around the ground was good and he presented well. But, he still dropped far too many easy marks under no pressure, and went to ground too easily too often.

There is no way he would get into our best 22 if everyone was fit. You couldn't select him ahead of Steve Johnson or even Mackie. He has to do better than Saturday night to keep his place.
 

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He played well on Saturday night and potentially could be a major plus in 2006if he delivers.

Wayne Carey made a comment about him on Sunday, saying that he's a player who does some classy things but can also make the easy look hard, like dropping a chest mark or soimething like that.

Whether or not he will take the next step remains to be seen, but he played well on Saturday night and I have a feeling that he'll have a successful season.
 
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He will not make it. Lonergan, Mackie, S Johnson, Kingsley, Ottens, Playfair, N Ablett all ahead of him in the pecking order. Sorry my pecking order maybe not Bombers. Just remember we played against Carlton.
 

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Have to disagree. His movement around the ground was good and he presented well. But, he still dropped far too many easy marks under no pressure, and went to ground too easily too often.

There is no way he would get into our best 22 if everyone was fit. You couldn't select him ahead of Steve Johnson or even Mackie. He has to do better than Saturday night to keep his place.
Disagree , thats fine its opinion after all. And I see what you mean.
But as I see it Mackie has the foot skills CG lacks but is pushed off the ball.Depending on form and growth as a player they might both be left behind.
To me Mackie=Caracella. Good mark over short opponents , good kick for goal and will never bulk up enough to hold a KP. Charlie is capable of filling in at CHF he presents at the ball harder than Mackie but play CHF only as a lead up the ground type, so really he isnt much better. Neither have the ability to switch to a stay at home player unless Otten or Kingsley or Nathan or whoever takes the bigger defender.

Johnson would get a game before both of them but putting him in our best 22 basically means you must have a best 23. Will he play this week,next week,etc?
 

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He will not make it. Lonergan, Mackie, S Johnson, Kingsley, Ottens, Playfair, N Ablett all ahead of him in the pecking order. Sorry my pecking order maybe not Bombers. Just remember we played against Carlton.
Gees that had to hurt.
 

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Says a lot for Charlie then.
Says a lot for what you think of Charlie and probably most of other forwards.

No doubt Charlie has to step up and do something as do Mackie , Lonergan and McCarthey. Thats a lot young , potential key forwards that have way to much potential and too little delivery as yet.But the crunch is coming.

Strap your self in Jacky boy, this is the year that some of these guys get the thumbs up or down. By years end you will get to say why we have to get rid of H, CG or whoever or have to suck it up after a good years performance. No more exscuses for them as far as I can see.Enough with development , development time is over, its time to perform. and you cant do that playing Port Melbourne.

By the way did you think Loneragn played a good CHF type game? To me his tricks were fine but really he was just another player who fits in the forwardline roundabout system.Without Ottens we dont seem to have a stay at home contest mark.
 
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Says a lot for what you think of Charlie and probably most of other forwards.

No doubt Charlie has to step up and do something as do Mackie , Lonergan and McCarthey. Thats a lot young , potential key forwards that have way to much potential and too little delivery as yet.But the crunch is coming.

Strap your self in Jacky boy, this is the year that some of these guys get the thumbs up or down. By years end you will get to say why we have to get rid of H, CG or whoever or have to suck it up after a good years performance. No more exscuses for them as far as I can see.Enough with development , development time is over, its time to perform. and you cant do that playing Port Melbourne.

By the way did you think Loneragn played a good CHF type game? To me his tricks were fine but really he was just another player who fits in the forwardline roundabout system.Without Ottens we dont seem to have a stay at home contest mark.
To me, Lonergan just doesn’t play the game like a strong, key position forwards. He’s big enough but he doesn’t throw himself at the ball or run in straight lines towards the kicker enough. He did some nice things to indicate he might be handy, but he showed nothing to me that he’s a danger to take Henry out of CHF or Kent out of the goalsquare.
 

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He should not be in our best 22. Mackie would get a game before him i think.

But last night, he was good i thought. If he can play that for the NAb cup, i'd give him a go in the seniors for sure. But i still dont think he deserves to be there at the moment.

He thinks to much when he has the ball.
I actually thought Charlie offered more on Saturday night than Mackie would have. The thing about Charlie's position, the running CHF type is that, you don't really have to have a lot of ability. You just have to be super fit, able to kick the footy and take uncontested marks on the lead. I thought he demonstrated in patches that he could play the role well.

It was evident that when he had to contest, he was a little bit lost and ended up giving away 6 freekicks for the night. I still have some faith in him.
 

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By the way did you think Loneragn played a good CHF type game? To me his tricks were fine but really he was just another player who fits in the forwardline roundabout system.Without Ottens we dont seem to have a stay at home contest mark.
Good assessment.

Lonergan is not a dominant forward. For a guy his size, i have seen him take very few contested marks, even at VFL level. To be honest, he looked pretty lost out there on Saturday, with the exception of his two goals.

But sometimes, that's all it takes to kick start a career. You often hear recruiters say they only saw a player once (Think Josh Hunt) and it was just a tackle, a few kicks of the footy or a great grab, which put them on the team's radar.

Lonergan might be a 2-3 goal a game prospect, and they don't grow on trees.
 

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To me, Lonergan just doesn’t play the game like a strong, key position forwards. He’s big enough but he doesn’t throw himself at the ball or run in straight lines towards the kicker enough. He did some nice things to indicate he might be handy, but he showed nothing to me that he’s a danger to take Henry out of CHF or Kent out of the goalsquare.
Do you think H "throws himself at the ball?"
 

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But as I see it Mackie has the foot skills CG lacks but is pushed off the ball.Depending on form and growth as a player they might both be left behind.

To me Mackie=Caracella. Good mark over short opponents , good kick for goal and will never bulk up enough to hold a KP. Charlie is capable of filling in at CHF he presents at the ball harder than Mackie but play CHF only as a lead up the ground type, so really he isnt much better. Neither have the ability to switch to a stay at home player unless Otten or Kingsley or Nathan or whoever takes the bigger defender.
Fair point. Mackie is obviously a better kick than Gardiner but certainly doesn't get the ball as much. I think Mackie is better than Caracella but the comparison is pretty valid. If Mackie doesn't start to bulk up soon he just isn't serious enough. Either way school's out for both him and Gardiner. Time to perform.
 
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Do you think H "throws himself at the ball?"
Throws himself in a Jon Brown/Wayne Carey type way? No.

In a run of the mill CHF type way? Most certainly.

The distinction is that I never expect H will become a Jon Brown or Carey type player. CHF really needs to lead hard, at least attempt pack marks and take at least a few contested marks per game. H can do this, from what I've seen TL cannot.
 

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Throws himself in a Jon Brown/Wayne Carey type way? No.

In a run of the mill CHF type way? Most certainly.

The distinction is that I never expect H will become a Jon Brown or Carey type player. CHF really needs to lead hard, at least attempt pack marks and take at least a few contested marks per game. H can do this, from what I've seen TL cannot.
Fair enough.

It just frustrates me how H is such a big guy and refuses to make any body contact and rarely takes strongly contested marks.
 
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Fair enough.

It just frustrates me how H is such a big guy and refuses to make any body contact and rarely takes strongly contested marks.
That's true. But players who can do that regularly don't come around too often. I think Nathan has that potential (see flying mark v West Coast late last season), McCarthy does but his body fails him and so do other areas of his game and word is that Hawkins may have it too.

But when you think how many teams in the league have a quality player like that, there aren't too many. We will be thankful if and when we get one but shouldn't be disappointed if or when we don't.
 

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Fair enough.

It just frustrates me how H is such a big guy and refuses to make any body contact and rarely takes strongly contested marks.
Last year kicks were coming in around his knees and feet often aswell. Im nit sure if that was him not getting to the ball, or bad disposal at times. But i think he will do better this year, dont forget it was his first year at CHF last year.
 
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