cheating stuffs up games in local footy.

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You could have something that happened in one league where one player went in and used liquid paper to clear of all the votes that the umpires had written, and put his own name on there so he could win the league's medal count. He got suspended for that.

That wasn't the umpires fault there either. The blame should have been put on the ground managers who are meant to put everything in the envelope so and seal it properly so it couldn't be opened by a player.....

The funny thing with that one incident was that there was a hidden camera that caught the player putting himself in the votes.
 
silky-smooth said:
No, he would be right.

You've added close to no intelligent discussion to this thread other than "umpires don't cheat, la la la la la I can't hear you."

That and the fact your inability to understand that we're not saying "umpires are cheats" as a whole - I mean, christ, I'm an ump - we're saying that cheating has and does happen. To suggest otherwise is naive, if you believe we live in a perfect world with no violence, rape, racism, etc.
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No he's not right. Neither are you.
Maybe you should go and ask your goal umpires coach about cheating and what is right and wrong about calling somebody a cheat.
You are in a higher league than me. I am sure that he will give you a talking to.
You don't give a stuff that if you go around calling your fellow umpires "cheats" that it is a low act that really you should be suspended for.
 
Thanks for a recap on the Today Tonight story that has nothing to do with anything
 

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clarkson2scott said:
No he's not right. Neither are you.
Maybe you should go and ask your goal umpires coach about cheating and what is right and wrong about calling somebody a cheat.
You are in a higher league than me. I am sure that he will give you a talking to.
You don't give a stuff that if you go around calling your fellow umpires "cheats" that it is a low act that really you should be suspended for.
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Comprehension is really not your strong point is it?

Are you the person who drives past a brown cow and automatically believes, stone cold, that all cows everywhere are brown?
 
clarkson2scott said:
No he's not right. Neither are you.
Maybe you should go and ask your goal umpires coach about cheating and what is right and wrong about calling somebody a cheat.
You are in a higher league than me. I am sure that he will give you a talking to.
You don't give a stuff that if you go around calling your fellow umpires "cheats" that it is a low act that really you should be suspended for.
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Can you stop casting personal judgements upon myself and argue the topic at hand?

It shows your argument is weak when, instead of rebutting the actual point at hand, you attack the poster and post the same completely unrelated dribble.

You still have absolutely no idea of what our angle of this thread is.
 
silky-smooth said:
Can you stop casting personal judgements upon myself and argue the topic at hand?

It shows your argument is weak when, instead of rebutting the actual point at hand, you attack the poster and post the same completely unrelated dribble.

You still have absolutely no idea of what our angle of this thread is.
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Can you please stop getting stuck into me all the ****ing time. :mad::thumbsdown:

The OP was talking about how he has seen something when at a game. He suspected the umpires to be cheating when all it was that happened was an error that was made.
Yet he called the umpire a cheat.... Kind of rude don't you think.
My angle to the thread is that calling somebody that is umpiring a game of footy a cheat is a low act. Something that borgsta2006 agrees with me on. The rest of you don't give a ****ing damn in the world about it.
In fact you would probably go about calling somebody who you work with a cheat if they had made a mistake.
Making errors in a game of footy happens more so with the newer umpires. If you don't look after the newer umpires and show some respect to them, they won't respect you as a mentor and as a friend.
Too often honest mistakes or general incompetence is mistaken for cheating, particularly at lower levels where the impartiality of umpires is not always guaranteed.

At the higher levels the amount of scrutiny, including the keeping of copious number of stats, limits the ability for a corrupt official to last long.
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It's mainly the club umpires who don't know what they are doing that stuff up. You have also got the newish umpires that can also stuff up.
Thanks for a recap on the Today Tonight story that has nothing to do with anything
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s**t show. You were the one that brought it up. :rolleyes:

Oh and your posts are rather condesending and rude.
If your coach was to read this, he would have some severe words with you.
You were branded a cheat by a one-time poster who was extracting the urine. Everyone else is simply ...... now read very carefully ..... saying that cheating does exist. I've seen it. Jaymin has seen it. Others have seen it. Doesn't mean you do it, in fact you seem very passionate. We are very appreciative of those who take their time out to umpire. But I have NO time for those who deliberately cheat, whether they are simply helping out or not.
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I was branded a cheat by some drunken idiot who happens to be a serial pest at many of the local grounds. Meaning that this guy doesn't umpire. He's a spectator who goes around abusing the umpires.
He's not extracting the urine, he's going about abusing umpires.
 
Don't know if you were at the Hepburn vs Daylesford match last Saturday.
However, there was a brawl that was started out there.
There was a guy who ran to the paper and told his story as a witness.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/police-witness-plea-to-footy-brawl/1611752.aspx
A POLICE investigation has been launched into a post-match altercation at a Central Highlands Football League match last weekend.Police have appealed for witnesses to the fight which happened at the end of the second semi-final between Daylesford and Hepburn at Learmonth on Saturday.
Police received no official complaints in the immediate aftermath of the incident.
But a statement from a Hepburn Football Club official, which was lodged with police yesterday, has prompted the investigation.
As reported in The Courier yesterday, up to six people, including the official, were involved in the fight.
It is understood the man who lodged the complaint received severe bruising and cuts to his face.
He was acting as a league-appointed umpires' escort and when the incident happened.
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clarkson2scott said:
Don't know if you were at the Hepburn vs Daylesford match last Saturday.
However, there was a brawl that was started out there.
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Well no one likes to see violence at the football. I don't see how a fight at the football relates to this thread? Were there allegations of cheating? If there was then that just proves that cheating does in fact stuff up games of footy. Or maybe one of the people there took umbrage at an umpires decision and lashed out. The article is a bit vague in that regard. In any case, the umpires and escorts shouldn't have to put up with that sort of nonsense from spectators.
 

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I think we should have a look into how umpire-haters could be implicated in the genocide in Darfur
 
clarkson2scott said:
Can you please stop getting stuck into me all the ****ing time. :mad::thumbsdown:
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Define "stuck into me."

If you're going to post ignorant and naive rubbish, expect people to respond to it. It's not "What I say, goes."

clarkson2scott said:
The OP was talking about how he has seen something when at a game. He suspected the umpires to be cheating when all it was that happened was an error that was made.
Yet he called the umpire a cheat.... Kind of rude don't you think.
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Let's revisit the OP again:
last saturday i went to watch north heidlberg play thomastown in the last round of the season, shane harvey needed 10 to get his 100th for the year. north were far to good and it seemed that it was a matter of time before harvey got the hundred. needing 2 at 3qtr time it was 100% going to happen n was gonna be a great day for the club... then i seen a man walk over to the umpires and the umpire said hi and said if he gets touched he is getting a kick. make what you want out of that, i would like to know if it happens more??
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There's no accusations of cheating. The poster has simply raised a very suspicious conversation. That type of conversation should never happen ...... "if my mate gets touched, he's getting a kick." Under what rule does that fall under in a contact sport?

So you have, as you so eloquently put it to other people, have pulled that firmly out of your arse.



clarkson2scott said:
My angle to the thread is that calling somebody that is umpiring a game of footy a cheat is a low act. Something that borgsta2006 agrees with me on. The rest of you don't give a ****ing damn in the world about it.
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I agree also - calling an umpire a cheat is a very, very low act.

But you've written it as "someone umpiring a game of footy is never a cheat" which is a broad statement and refers to everyone who ever umpired has never cheated. And that's not correct. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant.
 
gangsta deluxe said:
Carry on boys this is champagne.:thumbsu:
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LOL. You know, at first I thought this thread was a decent discussion, then realised one of the posters was obviously extracting the urine and just winding us up.

No one can be that um...what's the word I'm looking for?

It took a while to cotton on because the poster delicately balanced a mix of paranoia, outrage, arrogance, delusion etc and so forth, I couldn't be quite sure. Anyways well done haha, the jokes on those of us that tried to have a normal discussion.

Masterful trolling indeed. Kudos to you c2s, you're very funny:thumbsu:
 
EasternTiger said:
LOL. You know, at first I thought this thread was a decent discussion, then realised one of the posters was obviously extracting the urine and just winding us up.

No one can be that um...what's the word I'm looking for?

It took a while to cotton on because the poster delicately balanced a mix of paranoia, outrage, arrogance, delusion etc and so forth, I couldn't be quite sure. Anyways well done haha, the jokes on those of us that tried to have a normal discussion.

Masterful trolling indeed. Kudos to you c2s, you're very funny:thumbsu:
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You sir are a ********.
 
clarkson2scott said:
You sir are a ********.
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C'mon mate the games up. You got me good though, I thought you were serious with your posts.

Pretending to be an umpire and posting like a demented imbecile = Gold Plated Comedy

I'm not sure the real umpires here would appreciate you making the umpire fraternity look like irrational twats, but I hope they can appreciate the humor.

I look forward to reading more of your excellent work around BF. And don't worry, your secret is safe with me;)
 
clarkson2scott said:
IF you think you are good enough then go for it instead of going around criticising those who actually umpire games of footy.

Ok you think that you know all the rules. Good if you know the rules then you would not go around calling umpires cheats.
If you didn't know the rules which I don't think you do know all of them. You know most of them.
Do you realise that calling somebody a cheat is a reportable offense? Did you know that goal umpires can't send off a player for doing stupid things?

Name all the roles that a goal umpire has to do....

Let me tell you we need to know all the rules because all umpires are a team. You don't realise this but when you go to watch a game of footy there are 3 teams out there. The two that are playing against each other and the people who are umpiring the game.

Oh and yes it is easy to umpire it from the stands like what you do....
I bet you just don't have the balls to join your local umpiring association. You think that the umpiring is crap. Take it up see if you can do a better job.

Just be aware the next time you go and brand the umpire a cheat, it could be a mate of yours who made a few errors. Umpires screw up and make errors. It doesn't mean that they are cheats.
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I don't believe the umpire cheated either - but as an umpire myself I am flabbergasted you are so quick to dismiss the gist of the original post. With logic like that you could get a job with the Geesch - who NEVER admits when an umpire gets it wrong or misses a free. You are a fool if you think that there are not umpires out there with club allegiances from their past who may not (consciously or subconsciously) go easy on a team. Its human nature - noone says its done deliberately.

It is arrogance like yours that sets supporters and players against us - the "we cant make mistakes cos we're umpires and we're always right" attitude went out with the seventies.

betcha you only do thirds or ressies anyway
 
EasternTiger said:
C'mon mate the games up. You got me good though, I thought you were serious with your posts.

Pretending to be an umpire and posting like a demented imbecile = Gold Plated Comedy

I'm not sure the real umpires here would appreciate you making the umpire fraternity look like irrational twats, but I hope they can appreciate the humor.

I look forward to reading more of your excellent work around BF. And don't worry, your secret is safe with me;)
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Lol mate.....

What is funny is that she isn't joking. Her stupidity amuses me(and the delicate balance to which you so eloquently referred), and many others. This is Suzi. She isn't trolling, well not intentionally.
 
gangsta deluxe said:
Lol mate.....

What is funny is that she isn't joking. Her stupidity amuses me(and the delicate balance to which you so eloquently referred), and many others. This is Suzi. She isn't trolling, well not intentionally.
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She? Not Trolling? You serious? Surely you jest sir. I've been quoted a few times so guess it's too late to go back and delete my posts. I apologise to c2s for any offence I may have caused by jumping to the wrong conclusion:eek:

Anyway, I might back out of this discussion now. Carry on...
 
Her argument is preposterously entertaining, and illuminating.

It is similar to someone arguing that human beings do not murder people under any circumstances because of course it is a bad thing to do and most human beings abhor it.

Of course, most umpires take great lengths to maintain impartiality while performing a very difficult job. This is obvious. But it does not mean that all umpires never cheat. Some umpires cheat because they have free will and they are, at core, human beings. There have most definitely been cases of cheating because umpires aren't all perfect examples of their profession.

However, Suzi seems to claim omniscience about the minds of all those who umpire. I believe she thinks that the very notion of some umpires cheating, even a negligible minority, would bring intolerable shame on the profession and therefore that such a claim should be denied at all costs.

Suzi, people are not automatons. You know as well as we do that some umpires have cheated, and some will again. This doesn't bring any shame on the profession, as most umpires strive to perform their duties adequately. Do not delude yourself. What you can do is make clear that you are not a cheat, and point out that many you know are not. However, I think I sense some insecurity from you Suzi. Your vitriolic defense of this absolutist point of view suggests that you are deflecting the truth - that you are a cheat, and are terrified about others finding out.

Do not bring good umpires down with you Suzi, your vituperations are clearly duplicitous. I am just glad that I have seen the genuine, straightforward, views of many umpires in this thread, who, unlike you, are explaining the truth in a manner that is consistent with reality. Do not continue to disgrace your profession with cheating and subsequent cover ups. Leave and find a suitable profession.


Also, as I am on Suzi's ignore list I would appreciate it if someone quoted this post.
 
gangsta deluxe said:
Her argument is preposterously entertaining.

It is as if she is saying "human beings do not murder people under any circumstances" because of course it is a bad thing to do and most human beings abhor it.

Some umpires cheat because they have free will and they are at core, human beings. There have most definitely been cases of cheating because umpires aren't all perfect examples of their profession. This does not mean that most umpires do not take great lengths to maintain impartiality while performing a very difficult job. I am sure that they do.

However, Suzi seems to claim omniscience about the minds of all those who umpire. I believe she thinks that the very notion of some umpires cheating, even a negligible minority, would bring intolerable shame on the profession and therefore that such a claim should be denied at all costs.

Suzi, people are not automatons, and they have common sense. You know that some umpires have cheated, and some will again. This doesn't bring any shame on the profession, as most umpires strive to perform their duties adequately. Do not delude yourself. What you can do is make clear that you are not a cheat, and point out that many you know are not. However, I think I sense some insecurity from you Suzi. Your vitriolic defense of this absolutist point of view suggests that you are deflecting the truth - that you are a cheat, and are terrified about others finding out.

Do not bring good umpires down with you Suzi, your vituperations are clearly duplicitous. I am just glad that I have seen the genuine, straightforward, views of many umpires in this thread, who, unlike you, are explaining the truth in a manner that is consistent with reality. Do not continue to disgrace your profession with cheating and subsequent cover ups. Leave and find a suitable profession.


Also, as I am on Suzi's ignore list I would appreciate it if someone quoted this post.
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You raise a compelling argument, forums poster 'gangsta deluxe'
 
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