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#51
Originally posted by SCRAY72
Whatever, I have no idea what you are on about except that Chicago is obviously a nice guy.
I think the majority if Posters in this Forum agree with me and say

F@%& HIM
I couldn't have explained it any more simply, yet you still do not understand.

Until such time you understand the crux of the problem, you will fail to see the broader picture.
 

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#52
Originally posted by sigscotty
How is it bad PR? Had it made the front page that one person was not re-signing because of Murph's statement you can be sure the club would have come away with MORE members because of it. In fact, that is certainly the case as it is.

The point of going to the press was not to hurt the club (as far as i can tell...if it was it was never going to work), just to get his view across after attempts to contact the club met with no response.
OHHHH...i get it!! It was all a marketing idea!! :rolleyes:

We're all wasting our time for a PATHTIC cause. This is what Chicago wants. He wants us to all go on about it, for his sad, sorry story to be heard.

I think the star out of all of this is Murph. He bought the memberhsips in the end. He's the one that's ended up looking good.

Much more than we can say for Chicago.
 

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#54
Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
OHHHH...i get it!! It was all a marketing idea!! :rolleyes:
No not at all, but its hardly the big attempt to undermine the club as the reactions of some would lead us to think.

I think Murph would look a lot better doing some geniune work (he may well have) to try and stop the war, rather than just sit back and use a footy club as a vehicle to do that work for him.

If this is how we want it to be thats fair enough, lets open the door to any idea anybody wants to use our club to put forth...does anybody mind if i hang a Greens poster on the background wall for next years poster?...i just hope we don't draft a one nation voter, or even worse, a liberal!
 

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#55
i think this guy is being a moron i think he should just go and buy a membership we need them we might not have team if u dont buy 1 these are the people that are killing the club u are a c#ckhead
 

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#56
Lets not over complicate the matter.The issue here is regardless of what Murphy and the club did wrong not taking out a membership is a fairly harsh punishment for a minor oversight or difference of opinion on how the matter should have been handled.If something so small and insignificant can stop someone who has been a member for 25 years (as you constantly point out) from signing up then the clubs up **** creek.

Would like to hear Chicagos view on how the media got hold of it before I say anything on that matter.Anyone know if the person has picked it up from this forum or did Chicago go to them?
 

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#57
he should just be member the war sucks who cares if theres a war or not so who cares what bob did so just get on with life and buy a membership chicago
 

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#60
Originally posted by sigscotty
I would love to hear why you think its not a poilitcal statement.


Please stop telling us we all have a right to free speech, nobody is arguing otherwise.

It is a personal view. If he had said something like 'Localyokel is a ****wit and a war monger' then I would have a problem with it, but it doesnt. It is Murph's personal opinion and as such it is not a political opinion.


Please stop telling no-one is trying to impinge on someone's right to free speech. I am not an idiot and I can see differently.
 

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#61
Originally posted by dogboy23
Would like to hear Chicagos view on how the media got hold of it before I say anything on that matter.Anyone know if the person has picked it up from this forum or did Chicago go to them?
Read his posts on the issue as he openly stated that he had taken it further. Same lady with the previous article.
He feels strongly on the issue and whilst I disagree with him I cant bag him for sticking by his principles. We have discussed this off line and have agreed to disagree. I also hope that we dont lose him as a forum member because others cannot accept his stance.
I think in some ways we should be applauding him for sticking by the club for 25 years rather than bagging him for deferring for one season. I also think we should let the issue rest now because we have a big game tomorrow :)
 

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#62
Yeah lets give it a rest. There are plenty of other places to argue about the war and I think Chicago has got the various messages OK.
This can be a very divisive issue - let's stick together.
 

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#63
Originally posted by localyokel

It is a personal view. If he had said something like 'Localyokel is a ****wit and a war monger' then I would have a problem with it, but it doesnt. It is Murph's personal opinion and as such it is not a political opinion.
Please stop telling no-one is trying to impinge on someone's right to free speech. I am not an idiot and I can see differently.
Isn't his hypothetical slurring of you just a personal opinion as well? Wouldn't it be impinging on his right to stop him saying you are a ****wit in the same way you claim stopping the 'no war' statement would be. Or is it just about how much you like what is being said? Being a personal opinion has nothing to do with whether or not it is poilitical as far as i can see, however, whether or not the slogan is political is not important to the issue.

All you have done is say that it would be impinging on his right to free speech. Others have argued it is the footy club's merchandise therefore it is their forum to send what messages they choose, not that of Robert Murphy. What we are saying is that "freedom of speech" and taking advantage of our clubs merchandise to send ones own personal message are not the same thing. You have not even tried to make any argument against this, you just say "it's his right to free speech...that its on bulldog merchandice is a moot point...etc" If you are not an idiot, you should just make your argument as to why Murphy's right to freedom of speech on this occasion should overide the clubs right to control there own merchandise(should all employees have this right to put their own messages on their companies merchandise?), rather than stating your opinion as if it were fact, cos any fool can do that.

If it is impinging on his rights for the doggies to control what goes on their own merchandise, how can we even justify making them wear their footy gear for the photo? What if Browny already had an arrangement to go to Essendon, and decided to write "go bombers" on his arm, or for that matter, throw on an essendon jumper...would it be impinging on his freedom of speech to stop him doing that? Would you defend his right to wear bombers gear in our team photo to the death local? After all, he is just expressing his opinion. You never told me if you'd be happy for that greens poster to go in the background either...??? Dop you see what i am getting at here?

You say you draw the line of protecting freedom of speech at swearing and abuse...this thread has both those things, but you haven't closed it down. Seems where you like to draw the line is a little more fuzzy than you would like to believe.

If you think you can consistently hold the views you have stated here, good on you, but it is impossible imo, and you have made no argument to suggest otherwise.

I think the most important thing for everyone to keep in mind is that everyone's views on this are not so far a part. There are certain things nobody would like our club merchandise to be used for. Some of us believe this years poster is a mild version of something that has rather more extreme possibilites. Nothin more and mothing less. We don't (this i am certain goes for everyone concerned) have a particluar problem with the message itself, but fear that allowing this one opens the door for those more extreme possibilites.

It has been said this type of discussion can be devisive, but imo that is the case in any discussion when people resort to attacking the personalities involved, rather than just analysing the arguments people make to support their claims. It is very disappointing the number of negative references that can be found to Chicago's nationality, in place of actually analysing the validity of his point of view.
 

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#64
If the words weren't No War, would this be happening? What if the words were Save Trees, Ban Posters? I'm betting Chicago (and others) would have had a good laugh instead of going on about the rights and wrongs of inserting politics into club merchandise. Withdrawal of memberships and going to the press would not be occurring. Therefore it is Chicago's personal issue with the words per se, not with perceived attitudes sanctioned by the club.
 

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#65
Originally posted by Curly5
If the words weren't No War, would this be happening? What if the words were Save Trees, Ban Posters? I'm betting Chicago (and others) would have had a good laugh instead of going on about the rights and wrongs of inserting politics into club merchandise.
I suppose you have had a good chat with him (and others) about this, so obviously you wouldn't be making comments completely based on assumption and mis-understanding. :rolleyes:

I have stated at least half a dozen times i am in agreement with Murph on the content of his message, but obvioulsy i am just saying that to make my argument seem more credible. :rolleyes:
 

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#67
Originally posted by mel 40
Where has chicago1 gone anyway? I havent seen him on here for a while. Did he stop coming on here as well as not buying a membership?
Yeah.

PC storms off and now Chicago disappears without a trace. Soon there will be none of us left. It will be very lonely out here in hyper-space.
 

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#68
PC do you think that by throwing it back in people's faces that you will help the situation? Well at least you got it off your chest and I got this off mine. Have a nice day.
You will probably thank me for this because it will most likely kill the thread as most of my postings seem to do. :D
 

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#69
Originally posted by Mr. Walker
Yeah.

PC storms off and now Chicago disappears without a trace. Soon there will be none of us left. It will be very lonely out here in hyper-space.
I'm here Mr Walker. Let's talk footy.
 

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#70
Originally posted by Larry6
PC do you think that by throwing it back in people's faces that you will help the situation? Well at least you got it off your chest and I got this off mine. Have a nice day.
You will probably thank me for this because it will most likely kill the thread as most of my postings seem to do. :D
Let's meet at another thread and talk football Larry.
 

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Originally posted by mel 40
Where has chicago1 gone anyway? I havent seen him on here for a while. Did he stop coming on here as well as not buying a membership?
Having read some of the things directed at C1 and and written about him I dont imagine he will be back. Or at least not for a very long time. I certainly wouldn't bother staying round after some of the personal attacks that have been written - not worth it.
 

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#73
Originally posted by Larry6
PC do you think that by throwing it back in people's faces that you will help the situation? Well at least you got it off your chest and I got this off mine. Have a nice day.
You will probably thank me for this because it will most likely kill the thread as most of my postings seem to do. :D
I value your posts as most erudite commentary Larry. Did you get my message??
 
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#74
Originally posted by Templeton31
Having read some of the things directed at C1 and and written about him I dont imagine he will be back. Or at least not for a very long time. I certainly wouldn't bother staying round after some of the personal attacks that have been written - not worth it.
Good. He's not a real supporter so why should he stay here and talk. nothing to talk about imo.
 
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