Society/Culture Child Support

[TheWoodenSlug]

At the end of the day, if your life was truly all about your kids. Youd still be married.

I pretty much disagree with your entire post, but most of that can be put down to a difference of opinion which is fine.

This last part though, is just utterly false. There are many situations where the parents splitting up and/or getting a divorce is in the best interests of their child(ren).

 

[Seeds]

It's pretty simple. If you're not prepared to pay for the upkeep of a wife and child - don't get a woman pregnant.

So basically you are saying don't have sex unless you want to pay for a adult woman to free ride? What a sexist society you want to live in.

 

[Seeds]

How old is your child? Pretty sure once the child reaches school age centrelink payments are diminished, sort of forcing single mums back to work, in some extent. If your child is younger than school age I don't think your ex should have to work.

Have you not heard of childcare?

 

[Seeds]

^ it seems like it's convenient to completely forget about dead beat dads who pay zero attention to their kids, become bitter and twisted against the mother and do everything possible to get out of paying support.

That's because the system forces them to pay support and they can only get away with not paying if they lie and cheat the system.

The system however encourages woman to keep fathers away from their kids and free ride off the fathers income. Women don't have to lie and cheat the system to rort the fathers. And let's not forget the woman almost always get their choice of keeping the kids. It doesn't matter if the father is much better able to financially and emotionally look after the kids. He never gets a say unless the woman basically has serious mental health problems.

See the difference?

 

[cartwright]

That's because the system forces them to pay support and they can only get away with not paying if they lie and cheat the system.

The system however encourages woman to keep fathers away from their kids and free ride off the fathers income. Women don't have to lie and cheat the system to rort the fathers. And let's not forget the woman almost always get their choice of keeping the kids. It doesn't matter if the father is much better able to financially and emotionally look after the kids. He never gets a say unless the woman basically has serious mental health problems.

See the difference?

yeah? Fathers should pay for support of their kids?

 

[Watchyourwaite]

I pretty much disagree with your entire post, but most of that can be put down to a difference of opinion which is fine.

This last part though, is just utterly false. There are many situations where the parents splitting up and/or getting a divorce is in the best interests of their child(ren).

True, if the other parent is abusing the child or is bad for the child. What else?
Realistically you could be come th emost souless submissive whatever, to make your partner happy to stay with you.
Otherwise your admitting that you do make some axceptions for your own life, as much as you love your kid.
Lots of people say that nothing is more important than there kids. But sometimes watching a grand final comes before playing cars or barbies.
Look back at every decision youve ever made. Was there not a single selfish choice you made? Or were you really altruistic?

 

[Ruck Machine]

Firstly we need to point out that we're talking about 2 different payments
1. Child Support
2. Spousal Maintenance

Child Support
1. Should only be paid to after proof of paternity, no preemptive payments.
2. Personal agreements between parties should take precedence over Family Court.
3. Regular Payments should be a Flat Rate (no proportional increases).

Spousal Maintenance
1. Should be reduced/stopped when there are no children under 5 years of age.

 

[Seeds]

yeah? Fathers should pay for support of their kids?

Yes they should. What is your point?

 

[Present Not Past]

So basically you are saying don't have sex unless you want to pay for a adult woman to free ride? What a sexist society you want to live in.

In my society people use contraceptives when they want to have sex. This allows the woman and man to enjoy sex and not worry about pregnancy.

 

[toxic]

In my society people use contraceptives when they want to have sex. This allows the woman and man to enjoy sex and not worry about pregnancy.

So in your society there has never been a divorce or seperation where a child has been involved ?

 

[Seeds]

In my society people use contraceptives when they want to have sex. This allows the woman and man to enjoy sex and not worry about pregnancy.

In what magical society do you live in where contraceptives provide 100 percent protection?

 

[Lord of the Pies]

Have you not heard of childcare?

Yeah that's where you pay a fortune for strangers on minimum wage to raise your children. No one should be forced to put their kids in childcare imo.

 

[Present Not Past]

So in your society there has never been a divorce or seperation where a child has been involved ?

FFS. I've never come across a whinger as bad as you.
Of course couples seperate and divorce, that's obvious. But that's the risk you take when you marry someone and start a family.
However, you should stop whinging and just own up to your responsibilities.

 

[Present Not Past]

In what magical society do you live in where contraceptives provide 100 percent protection?

The society where the woman is taking the pill and the man wears a condom

 

[Present Not Past]

I think I read somewhere in this thread about support for the Pauline Hanson Party.
I think I need to go and have a shower now and wash away the s**t.

 

[awaremind]

^ it seems like it's convenient to completely forget about dead beat dads who pay zero attention to their kids, become bitter and twisted against the mother and do everything possible to get out of paying support.

Hey I would pay as little as I can because my ex does nothing towards her education, has taught her to lie, uses money she gets to go to Bali every year even though she is on the dole and hasn't worked for seven years through her own choice. I pay for probably more than half of her costs even though I only have her two days a week. She has even told her she couldn't stay with me more because she needs the money she gets from Centrelink for being her main carer.

 

[Seeds]

Yeah that's where you pay a fortune for strangers on minimum wage to raise your children. No one should be forced to put their kids in childcare imo.

Childcare does not cost a fortune. It's incredibly cheap. And technically everyone who uses it is forced to use it if you define forced as having to work for a living which covers almost everyone. Childcare is also better for the economy and better for the children in most cases as it improves there socialisation skills and keeps them away from the tv and iPads.

 

[Seeds]

The society where the woman is taking the pill and the man wears a condom

So you are forcing all women to use the pill except when they want kids?

 

[Seeds]

FFS. I've never come across a whinger as bad as you.
Of course couples seperate and divorce, that's obvious. But that's the risk you take when you marry someone and start a family.
However, you should stop whinging and just own up to your responsibilities.

And why does the women automatically get the children and the house in the case of divorce and why does the system encourage women to keep the fathers away from their children after divorce?

Or do you just see divorce the fault of men and think they should always be the one to suffer from divorce?

 

[fleabitten]

FFS. I've never come across a whinger as bad as you.
Of course couples seperate and divorce, that's obvious. But that's the risk you take when you marry someone and start a family.
However, you should stop whinging and just own up to your responsibilities.

You're actually coming across as a massive campaigner.

I think you're entirely missing the point of the OP. No-one has claimed that they shouldn't have to support their kids or that they are a perfect parent and their ex is pure evil. They are criticizing a child support system that often rewards women who use their children as a weapon against their ex-husbands.

 

[toxic]

FFS. I've never come across a whinger as bad as you.
Of course couples seperate and divorce, that's obvious. But that's the risk you take when you marry someone and start a family.
However, you should stop whinging and just own up to your responsibilities.

So let me give you some instances and you can judge if the system is "fair"

> I've NEVER missed a child support payment in 10 years after my Ex cheated on me and decided WE were finished
> my ex and child stayed in our (my) home for 18 months after our seperation , i paid 100% of the mortgage and my child support payment, the SYSTEM does not take the mortgage payments into consideration in determination of child support payment amounts.
> i finally managed to sell the home despite massive disagreement (it was mine before marriage and 100% paid for by me) , upon seperation she received 85% of the left over funds after the mortgage was paid.
> we alternate Xmas morning with our daughter, however she decides to tell my daughter Santa came early to her house thus diminishing the enjoyment factor i and my family have with my daughter.
> two years ago at about this time my ex decides she's moving to Byron Bay, i say no as its unsustainable for my relationship with my daughter, she moves anyway, 3 months later and 25k in legal fees my daughter must return to Victoria. my ex had not worked a day whilst in Byron and lived off my child support and government handouts.
> upon returning to Vic she lives in X suburb, i uproot my family (wife and child) so we can be closer to my daughter who's an integral part of our life.
> 3 months later she moves 180kms away because her "friend" has moved to "Y" and they can share costs and neither have to have a full-time job and can live off the govt, childsupport and some cashie cleaning gigs.
> Does the system care i have a 4hr return trip every fortnight? Nope there is no requirement for a halfway drop off or some version kilometre based compensation factors included in the calculation of child support?

If you believe the current system is fair you either have had no experience of it 1st hand or simply have zero understanding of the importance and levels of a relationship a father or mother who is not the parent who the child spends the most time with has with their child.

If you feel that any of the above is okay from my your point of view i pity you and the bubble you live in

(And that is my very very toned down version of what i wanted to say)

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Can somebody please tell me more about the legal connection between child support and custody and how an increase/decrease in support affects custody? Preferably a legal document or something .gov rather than an anecdotal story about your or your friend's horrible ex.

I think I read somewhere in this thread about support for the Pauline Hanson Party.
I think I need to go and have a shower now and wash away the s**t.

Yeah support for Pauline Hanson is an instant red flag. She's a ******* idiot.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

The society where the woman is taking the pill and the man wears a condom

Wow, you still * up the basics in your own hypothetical society. That is some kind of stupid.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Never heard of a child called a changing circumstance.
Once you bring them into the world you are responsible for them, until they are at least 18.
If you can't handle that, then don't do it.

You are a little human aren't cha?

 

[chelseacarlton]

Thats my reaction to anyone, male or female, when they tell me there anecdotes about these situations.

Have you noticed the story teller is always a bastion of good, fighting an insidious monster?
I never hear these people talk about there kids, apart from when they are using them to tell us how altruistic they are.
No one is perfect, and no one puts there kids first in every situation ever. You just cant.
Knowing that you love your kids and youll die for them is one thing. But if your trying to tell me that every moment of your life is about and for your kids, your lying.

At the end of the day, if your life was truly all about your kids. Youd still be married.

"their".
Apart from that obvious glaringly bad deformation of our written word,your understanding of the op is ZERO.
STFU