Certified Legendary Thread China History in the Making

[RussellEbertHandball]

Outrage = the reaction to Houli only getting 2 games, s**t house umpire decisions re deliberate out of bounds etc.

There was no outrage about Port playing in Shanghai.

However, cynicism, sarcasm, ill informed, stupid media hyperbole panic eg North Korea, sand storms, non thinking and people in the industry having the vision of Helen Keller all were on display.

 

[xflamedancer]

Outrage = the reaction to Houli only getting 2 games, s**t house umpire decisions re deliberate out of bounds etc.

There was no outrage about Port playing in Shanghai.

However, cynicism, sarcasm, ill informed, stupid media hyperbole panic eg North Korea, sand storms, non thinking and people in the industry having the vision of Helen Keller all were on display.

You forgot racism.

 

[Tredz]

You forgot racism.

I actually don't Port Adelaide has anything to do with Formula 1.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Landline today had a special feature on Gina Rinehart and her ventures into the cattle industry both her Hancock Prospecting operations and S Kidman & Co partnership with Mr Gui and Shanghai CRED.

They mentioned Mr Gui and his relationship with Port and showed about 30 seconds from the game in Shanghai including Mr Gui tossing the coin before the start of the game.

Rinehart thru her joint ventures is looking to export 150,000 to 300,000 cattle per year to China along with her chilled Wagyu beef from her 10 or so Hancock Prospecting properties which have already started exporting to China under the 2GR label. Shanghai CRED is helping build a quarantine station south of Shanghai on Jintang Island near Zhoushan to process the live cattle. As I reported earlier in this thread Shanghai CRED in February exported 1,200 cattle in bit of a test run.

You will note they show some Black Angus beef sealed that costs 48 Yuan/ 100 grams, and sealed Waygu at 98 Yuan/100 grams ie about $100/kg and $200/kg respectively . But not all the beef exported or from cattle exported will be used as prime cuts. For those who traveled to Shanghai and were adventurous know they use beef in a lot of different ways in certain types of cuisine ie hot pots, stir frys, beef balls style of cooking that doesn't require high quality beef ie leaner beef but not all want the high quality grain feed expensive steaks. Exports will be from northern ports as well as from Adelaide when the big wet cuts roads in the north.

So this means Shanghai CRED and Mr Gui are going to be here in Oz for the long haul ie decades and that means decades with Port Adelaide FC if we run this relationship/partnership correctly.

From today's Landline story which a good chunk was reproduced in this ABC rural article.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...-chinese-approval-live-cattle-exports/8651320

Mining magnate Gina Rinehart's company is confident it is only months away from winning Chinese Government approval to start exporting cattle to China.In an exclusive interview with the ABC, Hancock Prospecting chief executive Garry Korte said the approval would likely remove a major Chinese barrier to the shipment of cattle from northern Australia. China has strict biosecurity regulations that have made it difficult for the live-export industry to establish a viable trade with the Asian powerhouse. Mr Korte said discussions were "well progressed" and added: "We're very confident that that approval will be forthcoming in the next six months." Industry analysts have said such an approval would be a game-changer.
.....
Hancock Prospecting recently signed a strategic cooperation agreement with a Chinese consortium, Zhejiang Aozhou Cattle Industry Co Ltd, to create a joint-venture beef supply chain. [This is part of the New Hope Group run by Chairman Liu which I have discussed several times in this thread and Gina and New Hope signed the agreement either the day of or day before the game in Shanghai.]

Under the non-binding agreement, 150,000 cattle a year — rising to 300,000 — would be shipped primarily from northern Australian ports to Jintang Island, south of Shanghai, where they would be processed and the beef sold in China, Hancock said.

"Jintang Island is isolated from the mainland and there's strong support from the Chinese Government to develop an export protocol which would allow us to … live-export cattle into Jintang, which is effectively a quarantined area," Mr Korte explained. "The cattle will be … processed on Jintang Island where they'll be marketed and distributed into the Yangtze Delta region. "There's a population of about 200 million people, so it's a significant market that we're targeting.
.....
Tim Kelf, who spent three decades with Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) developing the nation's beef-export trade with Asia, said he was "mesmerised" by the Hancock plan. "It's a brilliant idea," he said. "They're using this island as a stepping point to getting in there, I think it makes it easier for us [the northern cattle industry] to get into the mainland. "From Gina Rinehart's perspective, taking advantage of the opportunity now, being the first mover — all those things is just brilliant. "If she does well, other people are able to follow on behind. What she is doing is taking over the whole supply chain.

Mr Korte said construction of the feedlot and processing centre on Jintang Island, which is being developed as an Australia-China free-trade zone, would "start towards the end of this year". Hancock is still finalising the amount of its investment in the joint venture. "We are still having a look at the investment proposal and once we've been able to go through that and understand further detail around the transaction we will then make a decision," Mr Korte said. Any joint-venture deal would be subject to Foreign Investment Review Board and Chinese Government approvals, he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...-chinese-approval-live-cattle-exports/8651320

You can watch the story on iview at the moment at this page. Its the first story after the intro. The opening footage has scenes of Shanghai that those who went to the game will immediately recognise and the Port game starts at about 7.32 for 30 seconds. The story goes to about 16.30.
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/landline# Edit direct link now at
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-05/ginas-stampede:-a-beef-supply-chain-from-australia/8670404


Rinehart's 20 odd properties owned either thru Hancock Prospecting or thru S Kidman & Co.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Landline today had a special feature on Gina Rinehart and her ventures into the cattle industry both her Hancock Prospecting operations and S Kidman & Co partnership with Mr Gui and Shanghai CRED.

They mentioned Mr Gui and his relationship with Port and showed about 30 seconds from the game in Shanghai including Mr Gui tossing the coin before the start of the game.

Rinehart thru her joint ventures is looking to export 150,000 to 300,000 cattle per year to China along with her chilled Wagyu beef from her 10 or so Hancock Prospecting properties which have already started exporting to China under the 2GR label. Shanghai CRED is helping build a quarantine station south of Shanghai on Jintang Island near Zhoushan to process the live cattle. As I reported earlier in this thread Shanghai CRED in February exported 1,200 cattle in bit of a test run.

You will note they show some Black Angus beef sealed that costs 48 Yuan/ 100 grams, and sealed Waygu at 98 Yuan/100 grams ie about $100/kg and $200/kg respectively . But not all the beef exported or from cattle exported will be used as prime cuts. For those who traveled to Shanghai and were adventurous know they use beef in a lot of different ways in certain types of cuisine ie hot pots, stir frys, beef balls style of cooking that doesn't require high quality beef ie leaner beef but not all want the high quality grain feed expensive steaks. Exports will be from northern ports as well as from Adelaide when the big wet cuts roads in the north.

So this means Shanghai CRED and Mr Gui are going to be here in Oz for the long haul ie decades and that means decades with Port Adelaide FC if we run this relationship/partnership correctly.

From today's Landline story which a good chunk was reproduced in this ABC rural article.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...-chinese-approval-live-cattle-exports/8651320
Mining magnate Gina Rinehart's company is confident it is only months away from winning Chinese Government approval to start exporting cattle to China.In an exclusive interview with the ABC, Hancock Prospecting chief executive Garry Korte said the approval would likely remove a major Chinese barrier to the shipment of cattle from northern Australia. China has strict biosecurity regulations that have made it difficult for the live-export industry to establish a viable trade with the Asian powerhouse. Mr Korte said discussions were "well progressed" and added: "We're very confident that that approval will be forthcoming in the next six months." Industry analysts have said such an approval would be a game-changer.
.....
Hancock Prospecting recently signed a strategic cooperation agreement with a Chinese consortium, Zhejiang Aozhou Cattle Industry Co Ltd, to create a joint-venture beef supply chain. [This is part of the New Hope Group run by Chairman Liu which I have discussed several times in this thread and Gina and New Hope signed the agreement either the day of or day before the game in Shanghai.]

Under the non-binding agreement, 150,000 cattle a year — rising to 300,000 — would be shipped primarily from northern Australian ports to Jintang Island, south of Shanghai, where they would be processed and the beef sold in China, Hancock said.

"Jintang Island is isolated from the mainland and there's strong support from the Chinese Government to develop an export protocol which would allow us to … live-export cattle into Jintang, which is effectively a quarantined area," Mr Korte explained. "The cattle will be … processed on Jintang Island where they'll be marketed and distributed into the Yangtze Delta region. "There's a population of about 200 million people, so it's a significant market that we're targeting.
.....
Tim Kelf, who spent three decades with Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) developing the nation's beef-export trade with Asia, said he was "mesmerised" by the Hancock plan. "It's a brilliant idea," he said. "They're using this island as a stepping point to getting in there, I think it makes it easier for us [the northern cattle industry] to get into the mainland. "From Gina Rinehart's perspective, taking advantage of the opportunity now, being the first mover — all those things is just brilliant. "If she does well, other people are able to follow on behind. What she is doing is taking over the whole supply chain.

Mr Korte said construction of the feedlot and processing centre on Jintang Island, which is being developed as an Australia-China free-trade zone, would "start towards the end of this year". Hancock is still finalising the amount of its investment in the joint venture. "We are still having a look at the investment proposal and once we've been able to go through that and understand further detail around the transaction we will then make a decision," Mr Korte said. Any joint-venture deal would be subject to Foreign Investment Review Board and Chinese Government approvals, he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...-chinese-approval-live-cattle-exports/8651320

You can watch the story on iview at the moment at this page. Its the first story after the intro. The opening footage has scenes of Shanghai that those who went to the game will immediately recognise and the Port game starts at about 7.32 for 30 seconds. The story goes to about 16.30.
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/landline#


Rinehart's 20 odd properties owned either thru Hancock Prospecting or thru S Kidman & Co.

I really appreciate your posts REH. So informative.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

In the story in today's 'Tsier about Hinkley's contract talks being put on hold to end of the year, the 2nd part of Rooch's article had a bit on China, nothing concrete but Port will still consider the Suns.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/f74db679dab0982f56c6d429efa53624
More immediate on Thomas’ agenda is fine-tuning the five-year plan the Power wants to present to the AFL Commission to keep playing in Shanghai, China. Thomas noted a “positive” response from the commission in Adelaide last month when Port Adelaide made its review of the ground-breaking clash with Gold Coast in Shanghai in May.

The question of the Power’s next opponent remains unresolved while as many as four AFL rivals seeks to push the Suns out of the China adventure.“There is a strong argument to stay with Gold Coast and expect the Suns to make it better next year,” Thomas said. “And there is a case to go with a big Melbourne club and take a new supporter base to China.” The AFL is expected to clarify how the Power’s “China Strategy” continues in the next two months in the lead-up to the league fixture for Season 2018 being released at the end of October.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/f74db679dab0982f56c6d429efa53624

 

[Andre]

In the story in today's 'Tsier about Hinkley's contract talks being put on hold to end of the year, the 2nd part of Rooch's article had a bit on China, nothing concrete but Port will still consider the Suns.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/f74db679dab0982f56c6d429efa53624
More immediate on Thomas’ agenda is fine-tuning the five-year plan the Power wants to present to the AFL Commission to keep playing in Shanghai, China. Thomas noted a “positive” response from the commission in Adelaide last month when Port Adelaide made its review of the ground-breaking clash with Gold Coast in Shanghai in May.

The question of the Power’s next opponent remains unresolved while as many as four AFL rivals seeks to push the Suns out of the China adventure.“There is a strong argument to stay with Gold Coast and expect the Suns to make it better next year,” Thomas said. “And there is a case to go with a big Melbourne club and take a new supporter base to China.” The AFL is expected to clarify how the Power’s “China Strategy” continues in the next two months in the lead-up to the league fixture for Season 2018 being released at the end of October.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/f74db679dab0982f56c6d429efa53624

No to a big Melbourne club. Opening the door there to it being taken from being our show. I'd like Brisbane, a smaller Vic club (Saints, Melbourne, Bulldogs) or even Suns again before a big Vic club sticking its oar in as 'now watch a powerhouse club from the football heartland'.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Ch7 news in Melbourne reported that GC are front-runners to play Port in Shanghai next year.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Ch7 news in Melbourne reported that GC are front-runners to play Port in Shanghai next year.

mmm but jumper gate

 

[pastmyprimus]

mmm but jumper gate

If GC are required to wear their away jumper this time, you'll know who's calling the shots.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

If GC are required to wear their away jumper this time, you'll know who's calling the shots.

They'll play nude to prove whose boss.

 

[70sDinosaur]

mmm but jumper gate

If they're gonna get belted by 12 goals every time they play us in China, I'm happy for them to wear whatever the hell they want.

 

[Ando39]

If GC are required to wear their clash jumper this time, you'll know who's calling the shots.

I would admit Im being picky, but its this lack of attention to details that got us in this mess last time.

 

[Lockhart Road]

I would admit Im being picky, but its this lack of attention to details that got us in this mess last time.

You're not being picky. You're being wary, and you're no orphan.

 

[El Zorro]

I would admit Im being picky, but its this lack of attention to details that got us in this mess last time.

So, Lockhart Road , who screwed up? I'd put the blame on the directors that signed the agreements without checking this first.

 

[chiwigi]

So, Lockhart Road , who screwed up? I'd put the blame on the directors that signed the agreements without checking this first.

Hahaha, LR will blame Kochie!

 

[El Zorro]

Hahaha, LR will blame Kochie!

Personally, I'd blame him too.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Well Fagan wanting India as his sideshow makes sense:
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/w...SF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook
Warnings of a ‘chance of war’ between India and China as nuclear rivals face off

 

[Powerstufff]

mmm but jumper gate

If GC are required to wear their away jumper this time, you'll know who's calling the shots.

This is the new 'What about the buses' meme. Both clubs' home uniforms are fine whenever/wherever we play. They are amongst the least clashy in the AFL.

 

[Lockhart Road]

It has been mentioned on the West Lakes board that David Koch revealed on radio that PAFC have established a JV with the AFL on China.
This was perhaps during his weekly breakfast gig on FIVEaa this morning?
Has anyone else heard what was said and, if so, exactly what was said?

 

[OneGreatClub]

It has been mentioned on the West Lakes board that David Koch revealed on radio that PAFC have established a JV with the AFL on China.
This was perhaps during his weekly breakfast gig on FIVEaa this morning?
Has anyone else heard what was said and, if so, exactly what was said?

He said it during the pre-game interview last saturday. I'm not sure if there's a link.

 

[OneGreatClub]

He said GCS were keen to make amends and that 2 Melbourne teams are keen and would be his preference. He was asked about the AFL and just said that the China game/ strategy was a joint venture with the AFL and Port. He didn't really elaborate.

 

[Lockhart Road]

He said GCS were keen to make amends and that 2 Melbourne teams are keen and would be his preference. He was asked about the AFL and just said that the China game/ strategy was a joint venture with the AFL and Port. He didn't really elaborate.

In this case 'joint venture' is being used loosely, even euphemistically. That's fine.

 

[Power Raid]

How good is it that Port is seeking opportunities outside the box? This is the Port I remember....bold and proud

 

[OneGreatClub]

In this case 'joint venture' is being used loosely, even euphemistically. That's fine.

Yes he was quite vague