Certified Legendary Thread China History in the Making

[RussellEbertHandball]

That's wrong. Probably not updated. I've had Shane's card with "COO China" for longer than a year.

Fair enough, but to appoint a finance manager to take over some of his role some time after March this year, means he is doing more than just having the title, but actually spending quality time on China venture.

 

[El Zorro]

Fair enough, but to appoint a finance manager to take over some of his role some time after March this year, means he is doing more than just having the title, but actually spending quality time on China venture.

While Andrew has been the face of the China initiative, I believe Shane has always been involved. I never implied it was just a title. He's been hands-on for a while, mostly on financial matters I'd assume.

 

[Lockhart Road]

Not sure what you mean by a long time but here is a screen shot of the club's staff website page on 6 June thi year, 3 weeks after the Shanghai game and Shane didn't have his title. Finance Manager Danny Zada came onboard sometime between 14 March and 6 June this year and he took over some of Shane's duties to allow Shane to work on China venture more.

Lockhart Road do you know when this restructuring took place.

https://web.archive.org/web/2017060...rtadelaidefc.com.au/club/administration/staff

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The latest restructure inside HQ was foreshadowed by KT during interviews after the Shanghai event in May. He admitted he could not expect the off-field team across the Club to double-up next year as they had done for the inaugural experiment. They were exhausted, and some core areas of operations had suffered.

This restructure goes beyond 'The China Team'. Check changes, promotions, new positions as per the staff list updated a day or so ago. I believe there may be more changes (new positions) pursuant to a bit of headhunting over the next few months.

Shane Smith, as Head of Operations for China, becomes the main man. Andrew Hunter continues as miracle worker via his govt. contacts and awareness of things govt.
Shane has been in action behind the scenes since the first deal was signed with Mr Gui in February last year, and especially when Gui's request to bring AFL to Shanghai was put into action.

 

[Power Raid]

She does say 'and more'

The move into wine would be reading the tea leaves on how the Chinese and other Asian economies are moving to a luxury consumer based rather than manufacturing based system.

If you ask the club about helping out with distribution to China for products, they will say 'If we found a distributor who said 'We want 500,000 of your products to roll out into stores per year', would you be able to meet that demand?' That's the sort of level of consumption we are talking about. The issue isn't so much finding a market as it is making sure the products are branded to appeal to that market and then making sure you can meet the quantities expected.

This is exactly the issue Japanese whisky experienced.

 

[Janus]

This is exactly the issue Japanese whisky experienced.

Always partial to some Hibiki

 

[Power Raid]

Always partial to some Hibiki

I picked up a few special additions for $100, or so, a few years back.

They are now $350


Our wine growers would be happy with that kind of appreciation

 

[Janus]

Just like I thought, the AFL are pissed off about China and the fact that we actually managed to break even. The s**t draw we had this year playing bottom ten teams at home and mostly top eight teams away was them getting back at us for it because they want us to say it's all too hard and to let the AFL do it.

That isn't just me saying it, either.

 

[BornPort]

lol drunk?

 

[VineValerian]

Just like I thought, the AFL are pissed off about China and the fact that we actually managed to break even. The s**t draw we had this year playing bottom ten teams at home and mostly top eight teams away was them getting back at us for it because they want us to say it's all too hard and to let the AFL do it.

That isn't just me saying it, either.

Screw the AFL then.
We will stick it up them - WE earned the right to run things because WE put in the hard yards.
Then Gill wants to waltz in and grab the riches and the glory and run the whole shebang!
Suck a big fat one Gill.

 

[Hellgood]

Yawn. More of this embarrassing AFL is coming to get us delusional chip on shoulder bullshit.

The responsibility is on our hands, lets worry about what we do with the ball rather than jumping at every ****ing shadow.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Surely we can't play the Suns in Shanghai in 2018 given Hinkley has pissed off to them.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Surely we can't play the Suns in Shanghai in 2018 given Hinkley has pissed off to them.

Just imagine KT having to continue to collaborate with Evans over Shanghai. This situation really is putrid.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If Ken goes I'd expext us to definitely play the suns im China. Maybe even as a season opener.

The AFL love pumping up a manufactured rivalry every time a big name player leaves

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[Portology]

Summary: China is a bit like the AFL. Don't poke the ... proverbial 800 pound panda.

Easy to guess why our DCNS sponsorship is left at the "Magpies" level. Not that the logistics make any sense of course but if we ever did play a Magpies curtain-raiser in China I'd bet the DCNS logo would be discreetly left off.

Unrelated to our footy journey there but this story also reveals plenty about the realities of China "putting pressure on" North Korea. They obviously don't want US missile or anti-missile systems in South Korea, but they won't cut the North loose just to nominally expel current US influence. Not without being able to 'exert control' over the South. The toughest negotiation of all is the one you can't even get to start

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/what-china-gives-it-can-take-away-20170918-gyjjt9.html

 

[Lockhart Road]

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/s...p-for-qld-rugby-20170918-gyk41u#ixzz4t5YHke9v

Sponsored by a dragon and called the Reds, China logical step for QLD rugby

The Queensland Reds have become the latest sporting franchise to seek financial salvation in China, with plans well advanced to play an exhibition match of rugby union on the mainland in the middle of next year.

The idea would be to use the mid-year break in the Super Rugby tournament to play the match in China, where the appropriately named "Reds" are hoping to build up a local following.

Insiders say this nickname has provided a good talking point during discussions with Chinese officials, who are said to be equally enamoured by the koala on the Reds badge. Another cultural positive for the club is sponsor St George, which has a dragon as its mascot.

The game is being viewed as the first step in developing a "China strategy" for the struggling Brisbane-based team, which won just four games and lost 11 this season.

Port Adelaide leads way

The Red's will be hoping to emulate the successful visit of AFL club Port Adelaide, which played a regular season game in Shanghai earlier this year.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/s...p-for-qld-rugby-20170918-gyk41u#ixzz4t5YHke9v
Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Today ie Thursday The Australian launched its Chinese version of its online newspaper website. Its not every article but its a start. Gotta keep that idiot Denham from having his article translated.

Just saw a 2 minute story on SBS's World News. The video is embedded in the story. They are looking at putting 10 stories a day selected by a bilingual journo and the content translated by computer into Chinese and read by people fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese. According to the reporter Mandarin is most common non English language spoken in Australia at 2.5% of the population and Cantonese by another 1.2%, which initially surprised be but when you check where people in Oz were born and you factor in kids of immigrants the Chinese and other Asian languages have taken over the European languages. George Megalogenis is right we are going to be the first successful pan Eurasian nation.

https://cn.theaustralian.com.au/

The Australian newspaper launches Chinese language website

The Australian newspaper today became the first local newspaper to launch a Chinese-language website. The website will include translations of national, regional and international news and analysis, selected by the newspaper's editors. The website will sit outside of the Australian's paywall, and it's expected that about ten stories will sit on the site. "There's a big demand for Australian based content, translated into Chinese," The Australian's CEO Nicholas Gray told SBS World News. "It's not a plan at this stage to deliver a separate service, it's purely a translation of Australian content which is relevant to a Chinese reading audience. "It's the largest language other than English, spoken and read in Australian homes. "And it's the language in which there's the most content overlap." More than 2.5 per cent of Australian residents speak Chinese at home.

Senior journalism lecturer Dr Saba Bebawi from the University of Technology Sydney sees the move as a targeted approach."They would have strategic reasons as to why they would invest in producing in different languages and targeting different groups," Dr Bebawi said. "I don't think it's a bad thing, it fits with what commercial media does." "I think the online platform is interesting because it's not targeting only Chinese in Australia, but aiming to reach them outside Australia." But Dr Bebawi does have one criticism. "What The Australian is doing is targeting these audiences with what interests them, be it business, international students, real estate, buyers. "So they are including them, in that sense. "But [it is] not including their voices."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/21/australian-newspaper-launches-chinese-language-website

From the CEO

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Looks like Chinese investors have made a play for Adelaide United. Several times on the hourly ABC radio news report this morning the following story was reported.
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaide/programs/mornings/mornings/8951802
From 1.59:12 of this podcast.
"Adelaide United Soccer is making no comment that it turned down a Chinese offer to buy the club in
a deal that would also involve potentially building a new stadium. A media report claimed that the
deal failed after the co-owner Greg Griffin put a $20m price tag on the Reds well above the team's
market value. In a statement today United says it enjoys a high profile in Asia and has also had
offers to invest in or buy the club previously. It also says the club does not make public comments
on commercial discussions with potential investors."

That media report was from the English soccer website Goal, that looks at the game world wide and is available in about 20 different languages. they say they are the world's biggest digital football destination with 60m unique users every month.

THE COVERT AGENT: ADELAIDE UNITED MISS OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN A-LEAGUE SUPERPOWER
Goal's resident spy reveals the South Australian club gave up the chance to be one the richest clubs in the country A Chinese ownership deal that would have seen Adelaide United become an A-League superpower fell through because of the sale price demanded by chairman and co-owner Greg Griffin.

The Covert Agent can reveal Chinese investors were interested in buying the Reds and plans were discussed for a new stadium to be built for the club. An Adelaide United entourage travelled to the Far East to seal the deal but the Chinese investors walked away after Griffin put a price tag of $20 million on the club - despite market estimates of the value being around the $10 million mark.

The Covert Agent wants to stress that there is no doubting Griffin's passion for the Reds and he is the main reason for the club's success despite their limited budget. But Griffin's decision has denied Adelaide an opportunity to become a big player in Australian football. For the record, the same Chinese investors are now talking to potential A-League franchises Geelong and Southern Expansion.
http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/the-...ortunity-to-be-an-a/2d1t97z87v4f1xxsiv1d5jng2

So there is plenty of Chinese monies looking for soccer and sports opportunities in Oz to tie in with business opportunities and sports diplomacy. It will be interesting to see how these investors go as the Chinese government is starting to get tough on Chinese taking money out of the country to spend on what they see as frivolous things which don't do anything for China. They are introducing the equivalent of the AUSTRAC system to follow the money. My technology group has been caught up in this and has become, unbeknownst to us, the bloody guinea pig project to track funds and we've been delayed for over 3 months now as they try to make the system bug free and highly protected against cyber attacks, which I have come to a conclusion they don't really know how to do it.

 

[Grave Danger]

Looks like Chinese investors have made a play for Adelaide United. Several times on the hourly ABC radio news report this morning the following story was reported.
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaide/programs/mornings/mornings/8951802
From 1.59:12 of this podcast.
"Adelaide United Soccer is making no comment that it turned down a Chinese offer to buy the club in
a deal that would also involve potentially building a new stadium. A media report claimed that the
deal failed after the co-owner Greg Griffin put a $20m price tag on the Reds well above the team's
market value. In a statement today United says it enjoys a high profile in Asia and has also had
offers to invest in or buy the club previously. It also says the club does not make public comments
on commercial discussions with potential investors."

That media report was from the English soccer website Goal, that looks at the game world wide and is available in about 20 different languages. they say they are the world's biggest digital football destination with 60m unique users every month.

THE COVERT AGENT: ADELAIDE UNITED MISS OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN A-LEAGUE SUPERPOWER
Goal's resident spy reveals the South Australian club gave up the chance to be one the richest clubs in the country A Chinese ownership deal that would have seen Adelaide United become an A-League superpower fell through because of the sale price demanded by chairman and co-owner Greg Griffin.

The Covert Agent can reveal Chinese investors were interested in buying the Reds and plans were discussed for a new stadium to be built for the club. An Adelaide United entourage travelled to the Far East to seal the deal but the Chinese investors walked away after Griffin put a price tag of $20 million on the club - despite market estimates of the value being around the $10 million mark.

The Covert Agent wants to stress that there is no doubting Griffin's passion for the Reds and he is the main reason for the club's success despite their limited budget. But Griffin's decision has denied Adelaide an opportunity to become a big player in Australian football. For the record, the same Chinese investors are now talking to potential A-League franchises Geelong and Southern Expansion.
http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/the-...ortunity-to-be-an-a/2d1t97z87v4f1xxsiv1d5jng2

So there is plenty of Chinese monies looking for soccer and sports opportunities in Oz to tie in with business opportunities and sports diplomacy. It will be interesting to see how these investors go as the Chinese government is starting to get tough on Chinese taking money out of the country to spend on what they see as frivolous things which don't do anything for China. They are introducing the equivalent of the AUSTRAC system to follow the money. My technology group has been caught up in this and has become, unbeknownst to us, the bloody guinea pig project to track funds and we've been delayed for over 3 months now as they try to make the system bug free and highly protected against cyber attacks, which I have come to a conclusion they don't really know how to do it.

 

[Lockhart Road]

How Hong Kong Helped Bring Power to
the Middle Kingdom

Breakfast | The Hong Kong Club | Fri 13 Oct

The Port Adelaide Football Club had a dream that many thought would be impossible: for Australian football to make a meaningful impact in China. It was PAFC’s connections in Hong Kong that became the foundations that made this dream to become a reality.

Port Adelaide’s success was evident in the culmination of years of hard work by playing the first ever AFL game in China as part of the regular Premiership Season in 2017. The bi-lateral relation between Australian and Chinese governments was on display with both national leaders attending and now PAFC is part of the platform forming part of wider Australian and Chinese Business-to-Business relationships.

Please join us for this interactive breakfast where PAFC’s CEO Keith Thomas will be providing insight into their China entry strategy, long-term vision and how the club has positioned itself at the vanguard of leading the AFL into China.

About the speaker:

Keith Thomas, CEO, Port Adelaide Football Club
Keith commenced as the CEO of the Port Adelaide Football Club in September, 2011. During his tenure, Port Adelaide Football Club has achieved significant sporting and commercial success recording achievements including AFL finals participants in 2013 and 2014, finishing third in 2014; 60,000 paid members - double the number achieved in 2011; Tripled corporate revenue since 2012; and played the historic, first ever AFL game for premiership points in China in 2017.

Before joining Port Adelaide, Keith enjoyed a successful career in media management with his most recent role as General Manager of FiveAA, SAFM and Triple M radio networks in South Australia.

 

[Needs Gravy]

How Hong Kong Helped Bring Power to
the Middle Kingdom

Breakfast | The Hong Kong Club | Fri 13 Oct

The Port Adelaide Football Club had a dream that many thought would be impossible: for Australian football to make a meaningful impact in China. It was PAFC’s connections in Hong Kong that became the foundations that made this dream to become a reality.

Port Adelaide’s success was evident in the culmination of years of hard work by playing the first ever AFL game in China as part of the regular Premiership Season in 2017. The bi-lateral relation between Australian and Chinese governments was on display with both national leaders attending and now PAFC is part of the platform forming part of wider Australian and Chinese Business-to-Business relationships.

Please join us for this interactive breakfast where PAFC’s CEO Keith Thomas will be providing insight into their China entry strategy, long-term vision and how the club has positioned itself at the vanguard of leading the AFL into China.

About the speaker:

Keith Thomas, CEO, Port Adelaide Football Club
Keith commenced as the CEO of the Port Adelaide Football Club in September, 2011. During his tenure, Port Adelaide Football Club has achieved significant sporting and commercial success recording achievements including AFL finals participants in 2013 and 2014, finishing third in 2014; 60,000 paid members - double the number achieved in 2011; Tripled corporate revenue since 2012; and played the historic, first ever AFL game for premiership points in China in 2017.

Before joining Port Adelaide, Keith enjoyed a successful career in media management with his most recent role as General Manager of FiveAA, SAFM and Triple M radio networks in South Australia.

Have to admire the stamina of KT, hopefully he gets a decent break over summer.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Looks like Chinese investors have made a play for Adelaide United. Several times on the hourly ABC radio news report this morning the following story was reported.
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaide/programs/mornings/mornings/8951802
From 1.59:12 of this podcast.
"Adelaide United Soccer is making no comment that it turned down a Chinese offer to buy the club in
a deal that would also involve potentially building a new stadium. A media report claimed that the
deal failed after the co-owner Greg Griffin put a $20m price tag on the Reds well above the team's
market value. In a statement today United says it enjoys a high profile in Asia and has also had
offers to invest in or buy the club previously. It also says the club does not make public comments
on commercial discussions with potential investors."

That media report was from the English soccer website Goal, that looks at the game world wide and is available in about 20 different languages. they say they are the world's biggest digital football destination with 60m unique users every month.

THE COVERT AGENT: ADELAIDE UNITED MISS OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN A-LEAGUE SUPERPOWER
Goal's resident spy reveals the South Australian club gave up the chance to be one the richest clubs in the country A Chinese ownership deal that would have seen Adelaide United become an A-League superpower fell through because of the sale price demanded by chairman and co-owner Greg Griffin.

The Covert Agent can reveal Chinese investors were interested in buying the Reds and plans were discussed for a new stadium to be built for the club. An Adelaide United entourage travelled to the Far East to seal the deal but the Chinese investors walked away after Griffin put a price tag of $20 million on the club - despite market estimates of the value being around the $10 million mark.

The Covert Agent wants to stress that there is no doubting Griffin's passion for the Reds and he is the main reason for the club's success despite their limited budget. But Griffin's decision has denied Adelaide an opportunity to become a big player in Australian football. For the record, the same Chinese investors are now talking to potential A-League franchises Geelong and Southern Expansion.
http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/the-...ortunity-to-be-an-a/2d1t97z87v4f1xxsiv1d5jng2

So there is plenty of Chinese monies looking for soccer and sports opportunities in Oz to tie in with business opportunities and sports diplomacy. It will be interesting to see how these investors go as the Chinese government is starting to get tough on Chinese taking money out of the country to spend on what they see as frivolous things which don't do anything for China. They are introducing the equivalent of the AUSTRAC system to follow the money. My technology group has been caught up in this and has become, unbeknownst to us, the bloody guinea pig project to track funds and we've been delayed for over 3 months now as they try to make the system bug free and highly protected against cyber attacks, which I have come to a conclusion they don't really know how to do it.

I heard from a good source that the owners are in the process of buying out one of the part owners who is in financial difficulty.

Apparently this was just a ruse leaked to the media to try and up the price.

Not sure that makes total sence but it is grom someone who might know.

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[badbeats]

part owners who is in financial difficulty

More than financial difficulty, he owes money everywhere.

 

[Steve Dore]

I heard from a good source that the owners are in the process of buying out one of the part owners who is in financial difficulty. ...

Robert Gerard, Greg Griffin and Richard Noble have been trying to get Bruno Marveggio to sell his share all year because his building companies are in deep poo.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I heard from a good source that the owners are in the process of buying out one of the part owners who is in financial difficulty.

Apparently this was just a ruse leaked to the media to try and up the price. Not sure that makes total sence but it is from someone who might know.....

So the potential minority seller wants the price to go up? That might be true but this bit from the article For the record, the same Chinese investors are now talking to potential A-League franchises Geelong and Southern Expansion, would be easy to verify as, the website who reported this, Goal, says it employs 500+ journalists world wide in 38 markets covering 18 languages, so it wouldn't be hard to talk to these 2 consortiums and see if the Chinese investors are indeed talking to AU and these 2 expansion consortiums.

The Southern Expansion is the group covering the Southern/south east part of Sydney and Wollongong and they made an announcement in early March and had Les Murray as the Chairman of its Steering Committee.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...-a-league-bid-les-murray-craig-foster/8328802

The club is backed by a Chinese property company, Jia Yuan, and Murray said that $12 million in bank guarantees had been secured for operating capital "to demonstrate to the FFA that the funding is there for the project." Games would be split among three venues — Shark Park in Cronulla, Jubilee Oval in Kogarah and Wollongong Showground. Murray also said the group was also giving "serious consideration" to building the club's own stadium in the region.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...-a-league-bid-les-murray-craig-foster/8328802

And this story in the Fin Review in July revealed more
http://www.afr.com/real-estate/hk-firm-jiayuan-pledges-300m-for-aleague-stadium-20170714-gxb6e8

Hong Kong-listed real estate company Jiayuan has committed to spending $300 million on a purpose-built football stadium in southern Sydney if the new Southern Expansion club wins a place in the A-League. The group, which already holds a stake in Australia's first ASX-listed Chinese property company Boyuan, said it would fully fund the club being spearheaded by football commentators Les Murray and Craig Foster and former NSW PCYC chief executive Chris Gardiner. "Southern's capital investments will be guaranteed by the Jiayuan Group, its subsidiary operations in Australia and other local project partners," a Jiayuan spokesman told The Australian Financial Review. "Investment will be sustained by the group's commitment to the future of its local expansion strategy. They will be working with various local partners and communities to realise this." The trio launched the Southern Expansion campaign in March to deliver new professional football teams for the southern region of Sydney, covering the St George, Sutherland and the South Coast football communities.

It will bid for places in the A-League, W-League and national youth league, though Football Federation Australia (FFA) has said it has no imminent expansion plans. Jiayuan has said it will not only fund the football stadium, but also pay for $15 million in training, administrative facilities and local infrastructure for the new club................................... Jiayuan sees the league as an opportunity to accelerate its global expansion plans, which include local community projects with a special interest in team sports, such as football. It saw its presence in Australia with Boyuan as an opportunity to fund a new Australian team, which it hopes would eventually win the Asian Champions League.............

http://www.afr.com/real-estate/hk-firm-jiayuan-pledges-300m-for-aleague-stadium-20170714-gxb6e8

So you would think that if the minority shareholder leaked that it was Jiayuan was trying to buy AU, then it would't take to much effort to see that is bullshit. Or has Jiayuan had a bit of a change of heart and reckon a better bet would be to buy out AU build a stadium here compared to southern Sydney??

 

[ROBBBO]

Robert Gerard, Greg Griffin and Richard Noble have been trying to get Bruno Marveggio to sell his share all year because his building companies are in deep poo.

I've met Rob Gerard a few times - he is a customer at my aquarium shop. Honestly this bloke is just one of the best blokes you could have a conversation with. Loves being involved with Adelaide Utd and is fair to say absolutely FILTHY with NAFC. Wished he was a PAFC man