Asia China's growing influence

[nut]

Peace leaves US on side lines??? Thoughts and prayers to the US in these difficult times…

Chinese-Brokered Deal Upends Mideast Diplomacy and Challenges U.S.

The agreement negotiated in Beijing to restore relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran signaled at least a temporary reordering of the usual alliances and rivalries, with Washington left on the sidelines.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Freomaniac]

China just aggressively brokered a peace deal with Iran and Saudi Arabia ….

well Iran and USA are not best of Mates are they?

 

[nut]

well Iran and USA are not best of Mates are they?

What does that have to do with wanting peace?


… and this is why the trust in the US is diminishing. The US is not interested in peace … because peace doesn’t make you money, peace doesn’t sell fear, peace doesn’t increase weapons orders, peace doesn’t prop up your failing economy.

 

[Freomaniac]

What does that have to do with wanting peace?


… and this is why the trust in the US is diminishing. The US is not interested in peace … because peace doesn’t make you money, peace doesn’t sell fear, peace doesn’t increase weapons orders, peace doesn’t prop up your failing economy.

true. The unired states have had their fingers in every pie .

they have military bases everywhere around the world too.

 

[Aussie in exile]

A con artist was kicked out of China … and that makes Chinese less trust worthy?

Trust me there are a lot of con artists in China from my experience working there, and this is just the tip of the Ice Berg
Did you find that when you worked there?

 

[CD Xbow]

Interview with Eric Schmidt, ex-CEO of Google, on competition between the PRC and the West.

The vital race for cutting-edge technology | The Strategist

In the following edited transcript from proceedings at ASPI’s Sydney Dialogue, Michael Pezzullo, secretary of the Department of Home Affairs, interviews Eric Schmidt, chair of the Special Competitive Studies Project, co-founder of Schmidt Futures and ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

 

[aj1992]

So now we have WA's Premier saying we need to have OUR national cabinet In China to show we mean to fix relationships? While we are building nuclear subs because of thier threat? How much is CCP paying McGowan?

 

[sdfc]

So now we have WA's Premier saying we need to have OUR national cabinet In China to show we mean to fix relationships? While we are building nuclear subs because of thier threat? How much is CCP paying McGowan?

He's lost the plot.

 

[Spearman]

New level of threat-posture: Chinese jumbo bomber drone flies around Taiwan for the first time​

The TB-001 is a medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned combat aerial vehicle first unveiled by the PLA in 2020, and first spotted by Japan’s Maritime Self-Defense Force operating in the East China Sea in August 2021. The drone has both reconnaissance and attack functions, and is capable of carrying a 1,200 kilogram payload including 250 kilogram laser-guided bomb, FT-7 glide bomb, FT-9 guided bomb, AR-4 air-to-surface missile, AR-3 cruise missile, FT-8D, or FT-10 air-to-ground missiles.

 

[CD Xbow]

Solomon Islands’ Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare’s nephew and chief advisor, Robson Djokovic has died of a heart attack. Allegedly he was one of the prime movers wrt Solomons island/PRC relationship and a teensy-weensy bit corrupt if the article is to be believed.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/death-of-manasseh-sogavares-right-hand-man-threatens-to-destabilise-solomon-islands/news-story/74ec94fce2f7b4e6c98faddb2b461e52

You can read it here or if you can't see it at the Oz.

 

[CD Xbow]

An article from Fortune Magazine discusses some of the issues with PRC loans and the not so positive effects on the countries which have taken them. Many of these countries will end up being 'owned' by the PRC. The 21C version of colonialism.

'In a lot of the world, the clock has hit midnight': China is calling in loans to dozens of countries from Pakistan to Kenya

Keeping schools open, the lights on and even food on the table is being threatened by debt payments from the $1 trillion Belt and Road program.

fortune.com

 

[Saint]

An article from Fortune Magazine discusses some of the issues with PRC loans and the not so positive effects on the countries which have taken them. Many of these countries will end up being 'owned' by the PRC. The 21C version of colonialism.

'In a lot of the world, the clock has hit midnight': China is calling in loans to dozens of countries from Pakistan to Kenya

Keeping schools open, the lights on and even food on the table is being threatened by debt payments from the $1 trillion Belt and Road program.

fortune.com

Problem is that China's Provincial Governments are having their own debt crises. The kinds of debt that would put the Solomon Islands' debt to shame.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/27/economy/china-guizhou-province-debt-crisis-bailout-intl-hnk/index.html

Guizhou has debt of $3.6 trillion US. It's only got <40m people and triple the debt of Australia for a tiny provincial province. And this type of debt is replicated across China. If I was a betting person, it wouldn't be on the price of Iron Ore holding up (a lot of this debt is on infrastructure).

 

[royale with cheese]

An article from Fortune Magazine discusses some of the issues with PRC loans and the not so positive effects on the countries which have taken them. Many of these countries will end up being 'owned' by the PRC. The 21C version of colonialism.

'In a lot of the world, the clock has hit midnight': China is calling in loans to dozens of countries from Pakistan to Kenya

Keeping schools open, the lights on and even food on the table is being threatened by debt payments from the $1 trillion Belt and Road program.

fortune.com

Not that long ago it was accepted wisdom that China would be more benevolent than the west when it came to this sort of thing.

 

[Spearman]

Not that long ago it was accepted wisdom that China would be more benevolent than the west when it came to this sort of thing.

they haven't learned much about Chinese history, they haven't ever been benevolent without being kowtowed to.

 

[CD Xbow]

Not that long ago it was accepted wisdom that China would be more benevolent than the west when it came to this sort of thing.

There was much 'accepted wisdom' about the rise of the PRC, unfortunately most of it turned out to be wrong and we now have a belligerent PRC causing all sorts of grief, especially for the neighbours. The mask has fallen away from the Panda revealing a Dragon.

 

[CD Xbow]

Interesting article from Foreign Policy suggesting the PRC chances of becoming a regional Hegemon are likely to fail, using historical analogies of previous attempts in Europe and Asia - while conveniently failing to mention the long history of China as the regional hegemon in Asia. Still an interesting perspective.

Stop Worrying About Chinese Hegemony in Asia

U.S. fears are not only irrational—they’re a potential self-fulfilling prophecy.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[CD Xbow]

This article from The Diplomat looks at what was said (and what wasn't) by the new Chinese Defense Minister, Li Shangfu, at the recent Shangri-La Dialogue. It's got a bit more depth than the reporting at the time which focused on the refusal of the minister to meet his US opposite and the belligerent tone he set in his speech - which according to the article muddied the waters a bit. .

What Will China’s New Security Initiatives Look Like?

Defense Minister Li Shangfu’s speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue was more interested in assigning blame than advancing solutions.

thediplomat.com

 

[Spearman]

This article from The Diplomat looks at what was said (and what wasn't) by the new Chinese Defense Minister, Li Shangfu, at the recent Shangri-La Dialogue. It's got a bit more depth than the reporting at the time which focused on the refusal of the minister to meet his US opposite and the belligerent tone he set in his speech - which according to the article muddied the waters a bit. .

What Will China’s New Security Initiatives Look Like?

Defense Minister Li Shangfu’s speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue was more interested in assigning blame than advancing solutions.

thediplomat.com

They seem to be staking territorial claims to the Taiwan Straits by harassing foreign ships that transit through it. I felt when they ramped up the incursions of ADIZ that they were doing the anaconda constricting thing, a tiny bit at a time. Looks like they may be taking it to the surface fleet as well.

 

[Freomaniac]

What does that have to do with wanting peace?


… and this is why the trust in the US is diminishing. The US is not interested in peace … because peace doesn’t make you money, peace doesn’t sell fear, peace doesn’t increase weapons orders, peace doesn’t prop up your failing economy.

Well poor little Israel is stuck in the middle surrounded by many Muslim populated countries.

I know Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other too.

 

[Seeds]

true. The unired states have had their fingers in every pie .

they have military bases everywhere around the world too.

They have military bases everywear because all the smaller countries want us protection from russia and china and to protect global supply chains.

 

[Seeds]

What does that have to do with wanting peace?


… and this is why the trust in the US is diminishing. The US is not interested in peace … because peace doesn’t make you money, peace doesn’t sell fear, peace doesn’t increase weapons orders, peace doesn’t prop up your failing economy.

the us are too busy trying to protect a country from an invading force in europe and you somehow claim they are anti peace?

 

[sdfc]

the us are too busy trying to protect a country from an invading force in europe and you somehow claim they are anti peace?

The US is busy fuelling the war. They're not interested in peace.

 

[nut]

the us are too busy trying to protect a country from an invading force in europe and you somehow claim they are anti peace?

You mean like Syria? Cmon

 

[nut]

The US is busy fuelling the war. They're not interested in peace.

No no no … this time they want peace

 

[Seeds]

The US is busy fuelling the war. They're not interested in peace.

No no no … this time they want peace

Omg can we not post this pro russian garbage. Helping a country take back their stolen land is not fuelling a war. Its both the moral thing to do to help innocent people from being murdered and losing their country to a dictatorship and it discourages future invasions so is therefore pro peace. The fact you look at the russian invasion of ukraine as americans fuelling a war is utterly warped thinking not to mention a bit disgusting. Allowing dictators to invade and take what they want with violence is not pro peace. Its pro violence.

The americans have also actually been pushing back against supplying Ukraine with their more advanced weopans and have no soldiers on the ground. The only thing the US can be accused of is not helping enough.

both your posts are embarrasing. I encourage both of you to think about the issue more deeply.