Choco Williams

[legendstatus]

Unfortunately Williams isn’t a well man and would be a big mistake


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[Civilest]

Mitchell is a bit of a smart arse himself

Even better...no robots please...Loved MM‘s death stare and biting journos heads off...you need to have a bit of madness in you

 

[sideswipe]

4 year contract, $1m pa, full autonomy, can select his own assistants and support staff (subject to soft cap). Mitchell might still say no but we shouldn’t die wondering.

Multi-year contracts for coaches are pretty much meaningless these days other than to signify something along the lines of intent. All new coaching contracts must have a six-month maximum payout clause for early termination.


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[loki04]

Clarko

They might be doing the mistake of many past clubs by putting a club great into a role. All be it he actually served an apprenticeship compared with Voss Hird bucks shaw etc etc

 

[Civilest]

Multi-year contracts for coaches are pretty much meaningless these days other than to signify something along the lines of intent. All new coaching contracts must have a six-month maximum payout clause for early termination.


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That’s a fair point. My point is basically we need a big carrot. (Searches for photo of big carrot for validation of humour but then cbf)

 

[loki04]

Even better...no robots please...Loved MM‘s death stare and biting journos heads off...you need to have a bit of madness in you

Yup Sheeds Choco Matthews Clarkson...

 

[Apex36]

Choco was just on SEN and he made it pretty clear that he doesn’t want to become a head coach anymore. He prefers being in development roles.

 

[manicpie]

If we could get Williams and Lepitsch as assistants to Pyke or Lyon it would be an outstanding coaching panel

 

[loki04]

Choco was just on SEN and he made it pretty clear that he doesn’t want to become a head coach anymore. He prefers being in development roles.

Well I think since Macrea left our development of younger players hasn't been flash.
Could do with choco who did well with gws, tigers and currently hearing good things at Melbourne

 

[jmac70]

Choco was just on SEN and he made it pretty clear that he doesn’t want to become a head coach anymore. He prefers being in development roles.

End thread.

 

[jackcass]

He probably would be good in a backup type role but not as the main man. There's got to be a very good reason why, despite his being a Premiership coach, no other club has given him a go as the senior coach! We'll be making a change soon enough, but it won't be to this fellow!

Has he ever applied for a senior job post his departure from Port?

 

[35Daicos]

Has he ever applied for a senior job post his departure from Port?

Looks like he was after the Melbourne job a few years back (the link will only lead to the paywall so I didn't bother including it!):

He may say he's no longer interested in a senior coaching job, but I'd have thought that he would have been chatted to over the years if anyone had been interested enough in hiring him.

 

[jackcass]

For a head coach role he would.

Does he want another crack at senior AFL coaching? I’d always assumed post his health issues he didn’t.

 

[jackcass]

Looks like he was after the Melbourne job a few years back (the link will only lead to the paywall so I didn't bother including it!):
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He may say he's no longer interested in a senior coaching job, but I'd have thought that he would have been chatted to over the years if anyone had been interested enough in hiring him.

Was his hat even in the ring or was it purely media speculation?

 

[jackcass]

4 year contract, $1m pa, full autonomy, can select his own assistants and support staff (subject to soft cap). Mitchell might still say no but we shouldn’t die wondering.

That’d just about make him 1 of the highest paid coaches in the league wouldn’t it post FD cutbacks?

 

[35Daicos]

Was his hat even in the ring or was it purely media speculation?

It looks very definite that he was after the job. As well as this, I presume the "fire in his belly" comment (previous post) came from him:

 

[Civilest]

That’d just about make him 1 of the highest paid coaches in the league wouldn’t it post FD cutbacks?

Carrot must be big. I’m mindful of FD dept spend limits. I wonder what the financial penalties are for exceeding, maybe Ed can pay fine out of personal wealth. Like fossil fuel companies that actually budget for a certain number of fines from EPA every year because the fines are insignificant compared to profits made from breaches.

 

[magpies42]

Is the title of this thread racist

 

[jackcass]

Carrot must be big. I’m mindful of FD dept spend limits. I wonder what the financial penalties are for exceeding, maybe Ed can pay fine out of personal wealth. Like fossil fuel companies that actually budget for a certain number of fines from EPA every year because the fines are insignificant compared to profits made from breaches.

Not sure of the “tax” rate but I think it’s about 75%. I for 1 aren’t happy paying it just so it can fill the coffers of the clubs we already significantly support through distributions.

 

[sideswipe]

Is the title of this thread racist

Only if you identify as a chocolate ice cream.

 

[Civilest]

Not sure of the “tax” rate but I think it’s about 75%. I for 1 aren’t happy paying it just so it can fill the coffers of the clubs we already significantly support through distributions.

Yes it goes to other clubs but it’s spare change for Ego Maguire

 

[jmac70]

Yes it goes to other clubs but it’s spare change for Ego Maguire

Ed’s gone, no need to keep stabbing him.

 

[loki04]

Here is an excellent post by Daicos jnr on Mark Williams from EBnW that everyone should read and consider when discussing the next coach.

Date Posted: 01:13 14/04/21 Wed
Author: Daicos_Jnr
Author Host/IP: cpe-60-227-94-28.nb01.nsw.asp.telstra.net / 60.227.94.28
Subject: Williams should definitely be a candidate
In reply to: BN 's message, "Get Choco thread" on 20:46 13/04/21 Tue

Port years speak for themselves. Clarkson progressed under him as an assistant and stole key staff (including Hardwick I think) back to hawks. Overachieved with a young list in 2007. Later years at Port weren’t great, but the club across the board was a mess. Accepted a new direction was needed and resigned.

Then fast tracked GWS from the ground up instilling a hard nosed attitude in 18 year olds that the Suns (and most clubs) could only dreamed of.

Had AFL not undermined him I’ve no doubt he’d have won a premiership at GWS as head coach. Williams telling the AFL and GWS to shove it for undermining him is why other clubs were warned off him. (... funny he got screwed by GWS reneging on the agreed “succession plan” whereas Collingwood got screwed by adhering to our “succession plan”...)

Goes to Richmond and does the development work for 3 years. Gets Dusty in the right headspace. Decent chunk of Richmonds current success is off the work Williams did.

Goes to Werribee as Head Coach in 2019. Immediately makes finals for first time in 5 years and first time as a stand alone club in 20 years.

Then there is Melbourne, perennial soft ***** and underachievers. Four months after appointing Williams they are completely transformed.

If, and it’s early days, but if Melbourne go to at least a semi final (top 6), Williams deserves to interview for head coach of Collingwood (a job he has publicly coveted for years).

Collingwood’s next three years are gonna be rocky with a lot of retirements, new faces and youth coming through. The next coach needs to have the gravitas to withstand the scrutiny that’s going to come with not making finals for the next 2-3 years. The next coach needs to understand what they are in for, and that they are basically starting with a blank canvas, like gws in 2010-12 (except without the draft concessions).

A first time coach will not withstand the type of heat that will come with a bottom to mid table Collingwood 3 to 5 year rebuild. And we don’t need another inexperienced coach that needs 5 years to figure things out. They’ll be lambs to the slaughter. Like Neeld at Melbourne.

There is way too much on the line to simply hand over the reigns to another unproven and inexperienced coach. Sam mitchell, Blake Caracalla, Luke Hodge or any other untried “assistant” that’s never even coached a VFL SANFL or WAFL side to multiple flags is not gonna cut it. It’s way to big a risk. We’d actually be setting them up to fail by appointing them as coach with the list and salary cap in the shape it’s in right now.

The ideal candidate for our rebuild is someone who, at the very least, has proven they:

- Are experienced at senior coaching
- Have been thru the highs and lows of footy but remained resilient and learnt to get better
- Were coached by multiple quality coaches as a player
- Learned as assistant under quality coaches
- Understand what not to do just as much as they understand what to do
- Can attract quality assistants and develop them into senior coaches
- Can attract quality free agents to the club and persuade players to re-sign at lower than market rates
- Can develop youth, maximise talent, improve skills and enhance decision making of players
- Build teams with winning culture and maintain the respect of the playing group
- Maintain a professional working relationship with the board and President (ie not a weird love fest like Bucks and Ed)
- Have successfully worked, and fostered strong relationships, with players, staff and people from diverse backgrounds (ie multi cultural, ATSI and different genders etc)
- Have experience and understand how to comply with workplace health and safety and workplace discrimination laws and polices
- Have a professional background as a school teacher
- Can adapt to modern technology and understand how to use it effectively

Williams ticks all those criteria. Sadly our current coach does not tick many of those minimum requirements. Experienced Coaches supposedly available - Clarkson, Roos, Lyon, Lepitch, Voss and maybe Pyke could meet more of those criteria than the current coach. And two of them don’t want to coach and Clarkson is likely to stay at HFC or go to Carlton depending on who you read/listen to.

That leaves Pyke (who destroyed the crows culture with the preseason camp but may have learnt from it), Lepitch and Voss as the other potential experienced candidates. Lepitch and Voss are probably unlikely to want to embark on a Collingwood journey which surely would be looking much like the same journey they took as Head Coachs at the lions.

If we fail to build the foundations right over the next 3 years this wasted decade will sadly turn into a wasted 20 years or god forbid, 32 plus years.

Williams has seen it all in his 40 year footy career and still at the top of his game. Even if he only gets three years at the job, the foundations he will build, like he did at GWS, Richmond and currently at Melbourne, will place the next coach in a much better position to succeed than if we retained Buckley or appointed an inexperienced coach for 2022.

Williams won’t leave Melbourne to be “Development Coach” at Collingwood. Not when he has a two year deal at Melbourne. We need his skill set and experience ASAP, and if that means the Board decide to appoint him head coach for 3 years just to lure him away from Melbourne early - so be it IMO.

 

[jmac70]

Apparently he has already ruled out a return to being head coach.

 

[No SPIN]

Interesting post but if he was the head honcho there would be no one to undermine. That aside it’s a No from me.

agree -the behavior and conduct discussed in that post was troubling, and more suited to a by gone era.

Whether head Coach or otherwise I’m not sure the personality demonstrating such divisive conduct is what we need.