Chris Connolly - Aish not Good Enough

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With Aish I tend to think he'll split his time depending on form between AFL and VFL play.

His relative lack of a weapon troubles me, but at the same time I think he can perform solidly enough to play at AFL level as an outside/flanker who can fill the required gap style utility.
Aish does not turn the Ball over which is very nice Attribute he has.

Aish had that Big game in NZ in 2014.

So you think we paid Way Overs in the Trade for Aish? Knightmare

They with lack of Weapons why did he go Top 10 in the Draft?

So he play up and down the Wings?
 

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Aish does not turn the Ball over which is very nice Attribute he has.

Aish had that Big game in NZ in 2014.

So you think we paid Way Overs in the Trade for Aish? Knightmare

They with lack of Weapons why did he go Top 10 in the Draft?
I could say Tony Armstrong doesn't turn the ball over and may of all AFL players these past two seasons have been the "most efficient and reliable" kick in the game but I don't recall anyone calling for him to play in the 1s.

In terms of what was paid for Aish. We paid probably slightly overs, but what was paid was acceptable enough. No first round selection was given up for Aish, so that's fine enough if he establishes himself as a best 22 player.

As for why he was drafted where he is, the answer is simple for any who followed his junior career. His play at SANFL League Level for two years (a level he was from the age of 16 clearly excellent at) and having a premiership medal at that level. That's why he was selected where he was.
What I and others have since learnt is the value of contested ball winning and how without winning a high % of contested ball (as is the case with Aish) it makes a career at AFL level to some extent uncertain.
 

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I could say Tony Armstrong doesn't turn the ball over and may of all AFL players these past two seasons have been the "most efficient and reliable" kick in the game but I don't recall anyone calling for him to play in the 1s.

In terms of what was paid for Aish. We paid probably slightly overs, but what was paid was acceptable enough. No first round selection was given up for Aish, so that's fine enough if he establishes himself as a best 22 player.

As for why he was drafted where he is, the answer is simple for any who followed his junior career. His play at SANFL League Level for two years (a level he was from the age of 16 clearly excellent at) and having a premiership medal at that level. That's why he was selected where he was.
What I and others have since learnt is the value of contested ball winning and how without winning a high % of contested ball (as is the case with Aish) it makes a career at AFL level to some extent uncertain.
Thanks. Well I did see him go for Contested Balls in 1st 2 games. Not alway sitting back and waiting for the Ball.

So the only Reason he was Top 10 was because he Played SANFL since he was 16 and had 2 Premiership Medals? There has to be more then that Knightmare
 

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Thanks. Well I did see him go for Contested Balls in 1st 2 games. Not alway sitting back and waiting for the Ball.

So the only Reason he was Top 10 was because he Played SANFL since he was 16 and had 2 Premiership Medals? There has to be more then that Knightmare
Junior career performance to the level Aish achieved can and at the time it seemed rightly got him into the top 10.

Clubs may have overestimated his pace and footskills. I can't say I know what AFL clubs were thinking upon drafting him. I personally liked Aish a lot in his draft year based on performance, but my values on what makes a high level AFL footballer have changed quite radically since.
 

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Junior career performance to the level Aish achieved can and at the time it seemed rightly got him into the top 10.

Clubs may have overestimated his pace and footskills. I can't say I know what AFL clubs were thinking upon drafting him. I personally liked Aish a lot in his draft year based on performance, but my values on what makes a high level AFL footballer have changed quite radically since.
So the Lions Fans who went from Very Excited to very Underwhelmed with him where Correct. At the Point he is Now.

Though last year he had injuries and was Mentally Checked out of the Lions for the Full Season
 

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So the Lions Fans who went from Very Excited to very Underwhelmed with him where Correct. At the Point he is Now.

Though last year he had injuries and was Mentally Checked out of the Lions for the Full Season
At this point nothing can be concluded with Aish.

It's too early in his career lifecycle and he has neither consolidated himself beyond doubt nor looked out of his depth at AFL level.

He's just a wait and see player. Aish could be a best 10-20 on list player (doesn't have the point of difference to be top 10 if we're going to build a contending list), or he could just be depth. Which way it goes, to be determined. Your guess is as good as mine, is as good as the next persons.
It will be interesting viewing and interesting to speculate over the coming months as to what he'll look like during the season proper.
 

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I could say Tony Armstrong doesn't turn the ball over and may of all AFL players these past two seasons have been the "most efficient and reliable" kick in the game but I don't recall anyone calling for him to play in the 1s.

In terms of what was paid for Aish. We paid probably slightly overs, but what was paid was acceptable enough. No first round selection was given up for Aish, so that's fine enough if he establishes himself as a best 22 player.

As for why he was drafted where he is, the answer is simple for any who followed his junior career. His play at SANFL League Level for two years (a level he was from the age of 16 clearly excellent at) and having a premiership medal at that level. That's why he was selected where he was.
What I and others have since learnt is the value of contested ball winning and how without winning a high % of contested ball (as is the case with Aish) it makes a career at AFL level to some extent uncertain.[/QUOTE


Aish can observe De Goey, wow how good is De Goey going.
But for me Aish squeezes into the 22 but that's because I have him ahead of Blair and Macaffer.
But Aish is certainly far from ensconced as a certainty each week, far from it.
 

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At this point nothing can be concluded with Aish.

It's too early in his career lifecycle and he has neither consolidated himself beyond doubt nor looked out of his depth at AFL level.

He's just a wait and see player. Aish could be a best 10-20 on list player (doesn't have the point of difference to be top 10 if we're going to build a contending list), or he could just be depth. Which way it goes, to be determined. Your guess is as good as mine, is as good as the next persons.
It will be interesting viewing and interesting to speculate over the coming months as to what he'll look like during the season proper.
My reply got caught in the grey box thing above in your post.
To re-do
Aish can learn from De Giey about contested ball.
Though I still have Aish top 22 because to me he is above Blair and Macaffer.
He squeezes in but no certainty to be picked week on week.
 

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De Goey looks already like our best centre bounce specialist through the practice match and the first two NAB Cup games.

Aish doesn't have the size or contested ball winning ability. If he is to find a niche while he can play some minor minutes on the ball, he'll more likely play wing/hb/hf as his better positions. And with so many contested ball winning beasts, I see no need to use Aish on the ball for any period of a game anyway with so many others substantially more advanced in that area of the game.

A lot will agree with you on Aish as best 22. I'm with you on Caff and Blair outside the clubs best 22, I just have a different combination in mind, which given what feels like a very different preferred team may mean I'll need to come in early this year with my Collingwood Almanac to include my best 22.
 

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At this point nothing can be concluded with Aish.

It's too early in his career lifecycle and he has neither consolidated himself beyond doubt nor looked out of his depth at AFL level.

He's just a wait and see player. Aish could be a best 10-20 on list player (doesn't have the point of difference to be top 10 if we're going to build a contending list), or he could just be depth. Which way it goes, to be determined. Your guess is as good as mine, is as good as the next persons.
It will be interesting viewing and interesting to speculate over the coming months as to what he'll look like during the season proper.
I be Defintally keeping a Close eye on Aish
 

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De Goey looks already like our best centre bounce specialist through the practice match and the first two NAB Cup games.

Aish doesn't have the size or contested ball winning ability. If he is to find a niche while he can play some minor minutes on the ball, he'll more likely play wing/hb/hf as his better positions. And with so many contested ball winning beasts, I see no need to use Aish on the ball for any period of a game anyway with so many others substantially more advanced in that area of the game.

A lot will agree with you on Aish as best 22. I'm with you on Caff and Blair outside the clubs best 22, I just have a different combination in mind, which given what feels like a very different preferred team may mean I'll need to come in early this year with my Collingwood Almanac to include my best 22.
Knightmare there are many of us awaiting the updated almanac - like reading well measure thought out Collingwood material.
 

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if you listen to chris, you can see how he talked his way into a coaching gig at freo..... he just turns his mouth on and out it comes..... words.... and it all sounds good.... you could see him making a good case for a team to tank to get a high draft pick.... you could see him making a case to trade for former number one draft pick who is looking for greener pastures.... I'd like to see him negotiating our trade deals with China...
 

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Been very happy with Aish so far, gets in the right spots, finds the ball, moves well, kicks well and is better overhead that I thought, and has even tackled well. Ok, he isn't an in and under type but we've got three or four of those already.
Spot On. We already have those In and Under Players but we lacked some good Outside Players which Aish is/will be
 

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I dunno man. I find people's thought processes strange sometimes.

You have people who will defend Travis Cloke to the death despite no real reason to (logically) and yet will question a 20 year old 3rd year player coming off an injury riddled 2nd season at a new club based on 2 and a bit practice games?

I mean...I just....I....sigh.
It's straightforward really ...

... We ain't gunna have anybody slag off our players except us!!
 
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Been very happy with Aish so far, gets in the right spots, finds the ball, moves well, kicks well and is better overhead that I thought, and has even tackled well. Ok, he isn't an in and under type but we've got three or four of those already.
Yep.

If he was an inside mid I'd be inclined to agree he's not best 22. But he's not.

As a winger/fkanker/outside mid/ bench rotation there's plenty of room for him to start in the team. No lock though, form will be crucial to stay best 22 and theres a possibility he plays some VFL this year.

In future years however there's massive upside
 
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