Roast Chris Johnson

[1981]

Right....so he gets singled out ahead of Gibbs, Thornton, Murphy, Waite, Wiggins, Simpson......I could go on.


Watch the games much?

I have seen a number of times that this defender is kicking inside 50 lace out to forwards. If he attacked any more he'd be bagged for being "unaccountable".


Who said he was?
Neither are Waite, Scotland or Bower.


But did you see this?


My point is, you can go through most players in most games and make a case for why they are crap.

I didn't see the "Sack Judd" thread when HIS man kicked 3 goals in a low scoring game last week.
Same goes for Thornton the week before vs Dons.

No.....we will single out the guy who injured the quad on his kicking leg for making some kicking errors, when all can see he is normally a lovely kick of the pill.

Why? Because he is the new kid on the block. Easy target.

Wow, hands up who can't handle a bit of criticism.

Touchy touchy.

 

[1981]

right....so he gets singled out ahead of gibbs, thornton, murphy, waite, wiggins, simpson......i could go on.

Watch the games much?? Those guys don't turn it over under little to no pressure 3 or 4 times straight in one quarter. And they have runs on the board and are good at various other facets.

And the whole he was injured thing doesn't cut it with me. Your just trying to use that as an excuse for him. Show me a doctors report that says he was carrying the injury and that probably was linked to his turnovers. Failing that you're just clutching at straws.


Watch the games much?

I have seen a number of times that this defender is kicking inside 50 lace out to forwards. If he attacked any more he'd be bagged for being "unaccountable".

Waite, bower, scotland, etc they all play down back and all run and carry. Johnston doesn't have that in him, not yet anyhow.

Did you see any of the training drills this pre season? If you had, you would know very well that the team is trying to run the ball from the back line through the middle as quick as possible. Its why we won the first 2 games and also yesterday, along with pressure and tackling. But johnson seems hesitant, he doesn't back himself with run and carry.


Who said he was?
Neither are waite, scotland or bower.


But did you see this?


My point is, you can go through most players in most games and make a case for why they are crap.

I didn't see the "sack judd" thread when his man kicked 3 goals in a low scoring game last week.

I was very critical off judd. The 2 gls kiciked on him before half time gave the swans an almost unasailable lead given the way they play. Ratts gave judd a spray after the game and so he should have.

But why youmention judd in this thread is beyond me. One is a gun, the other is a 22 year old or whatever, who has been in the system a bit now 9says riley) and who still hasn't stamped himself on a team,.

One is a star who made a few erros last week, the other is a nobody who hasn't done anything yet.

Same goes for thornton the week before vs dons.

Don't worry i am a huge critic of thorntons. He goes ok but in my view in 3 years he might be there and austin and maybe hill will be in his place.

No.....we will single out the guy who injured the quad on his kicking leg for making some kicking errors, when all can see he is normally a lovely kick of the pill.

As i said he is a lovely kick but that's not the popint. Read much? Read others posts much? My argument is maybe he gets stage fright. He seems paralysed when he gets it within 3om of oppositions goal. And he doesn't back himself to run it out either.

Send him to the ants to get back some confidence, and give him another shot if his replacement doesn;'t do well or if there's injuries, but fauiling that he is 22 or so and needs to deliver pretty soon imo.

Why? Because he is the new kid on the block. Easy target.

What a joke,. He is not being criticised bec he is the new kid on the block. Robbo did bugger all for his last 2 weeks and he's new on the block. But he isn't getting criticised.

watch the games much?? Those guys don't turn it over under little to no pressure 3 or 4 times straight in one quarter. And they have runs on the board and are good at various other facets.

And the whole he was injured thing doesn't cut it with me. Your just trying to use that as an excuse for him. Show me a doctors report that says he was carrying the injury and that probably was linked to his turnovers. Failing that you're just clutching at straws.




Waite, bower, scotland, etc they all play down back and all run and carry. Johnston doesn't have that in him, not yet anyhow.

Did you see any of the training drills this pre season? If you had, you would know very well that the team is trying to run the ball from the back line through the middle as quick as possible. Its why we won the first 2 games and also yesterday, along with pressure and tackling. But johnson seems hesitant, he doesn't back himself with run and carry.




I was very critical off judd. The 2 gls kiciked on him before half time gave the swans an almost unasailable lead given the way they play. Ratts gave judd a spray after the game and so he should have.

But why youmention judd in this thread is beyond me. One is a gun, the other is a 22 year old or whatever, who has been in the system a bit now 9says riley) and who still hasn't stamped himself on a team,.

One is a star who made a few erros last week, the other is a nobody who hasn't done anything yet.



Don't worry i am a huge critic of thorntons. He goes ok but in my view in 3 years he might be there and austin and maybe hill will be in his place.


As i said he is a lovely kick but that's not the popint. Read much? Read others posts much? My argument is maybe he gets stage fright. He seems paralysed when he gets it within 3om of oppositions goal. And he doesn't back himself to run it out either.

Send him to the ants to get back some confidence, and give him another shot if his replacement doesn;'t do well or if there's injuries, but fauiling that he is 22 or so and needs to deliver pretty soon imo.


What a joke,. He is not being criticised bec he is the new kid on the block. Robbo did bugger all for his last 2 weeks and he's new on the block. But he isn't getting criticised.

 

[gbatman]

Johnson's place is under the pump. His kicking isn't always great and his attack on the ball is not always great. I recon he can improve a lot as a footballer.

 

[1981]

Riley's comments

Chris Johnson
He's a beautiful kick, but he's been in the system a few years now so he needs to take the next step. He'll get an opportunity off half-back and a wing because we think we need to improve our kicking out of defence. He's been working hard with Brett Montgomery on defending one-on-one.



That's spot on.

But it's not just about being a good kick.

Cause AFL at the top level is pressure pressure pressure. Esp these days with floods and zones and defensive pressure forwards apply to defenders, it's gone the other way. Game has evolved.

Defenders who stand still, get stuck in headlights, who don't run and carry on instinct are going to battle.

So he's a beautiful kick but does he have the mettle?

Yet to see, time will tell.

But as Riley noted he is not an 18 year old straight from the draft. So the club, while keen to give him an opportunity because they know he is a good natural kick, won't give him 100 chances.

he's been in the system a few years now so he needs to take the next step

If he was injured and it was affecting his kicking, and he didn't take himself off, then that's poor form and hurts the team.

 

[Bluebear]

watch the games much?? Those guys don't turn it over under little to no pressure 3 or 4 times straight in one quarter. And they have runs on the board and are good at various other facets.

Now there's a "thread bump" waiting for a time to happen.
I'll bet you either haven't seen much of Waite playing in the backline, especially in his first few games........or this is an overly emotive reaction to my comments.

Are you trying to tell me Thornton didn't turn the ball over with little or no pressure MULTIPLE times in the last fortnight?

Please. If you are going to go on a tirade at least try and sound sensible.

And the whole he was injured thing doesn't cut it with me. Your just trying to use that as an excuse for him. Show me a doctors report that says he was carrying the injury and that probably was linked to his turnovers. Failing that you're just clutching at straws.

Oh sure.

Did you just reply three times?

Yes.......I'm the touchy one.

 

[Blueboy3]

Im not going to critisise. Think the bloke has the same problem as Russel, his mistakes seem to be incredibly damaging to us, resulting in goals, at crucial stages. Two butchered kicks against the swans and the dons i can recall, not saying they cost us, but they are deffinatly noticeable, moreso than a mistake from a gibbs handball or simpson kick into the F50.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm usually pretty forgiving of mistakes, and loathe to criticize a Carlton player, but its pretty hard not to remember the glaring stuff. He had something like 5 kicks for 4 turnovers in a quarter of footy IIRC. Had me honestly wondering if he was color blind the number of times he kicked it straight to the opposition.

I was almost relieved when he went off with a minor injury.

Stats have him at 6 kicks, 3 handballs, 67% efficiency, 3 clangers ... but how many turnovers were directly from kickouts because they don't count as a stat?

 

[Malifice]

Stats have him at 6 kicks, 3 handballs, 67% efficiency, 3 clangers ... but how many turnovers were directly from kickouts because they don't count as a stat?

I remember at least one going directly to a Bulldog player... maybe two.

Id have to watch it again to know for sure. I can remember him gifting the Dogs around three shots on goal in the first though.

Needs to miss a week or two (either rest due to injury or omitted to find some form). Perhaps bring back Robbo or Yarran in his place? Possibly Yarran seeing as Fev is still out of sorts.

FWIW Not much harm done with those turnovers luckily. The Dogs were innacurrate and Robert Murphy was shocking with turnovers for Footscray as well. He evened up the ledger for mine!

 

[thylacine60]

Johnno was lucky not to get burnt to the full extent because of the Dogs' wayward kicking. We usually get hammered when we make such shocking turnovers. Better teams will make us pay a lot more.

 

[mediumsizered]

I remember at least one going directly to a Bulldog player... maybe two.

FWIW Not much harm done with those turnovers luckily. The Dogs were innacurrate and Robert Murphy was shocking with turnovers for Footscray as well. He evened up the ledger for mine!

Unlike the turnover from Stevens in the 3rd quarter, when kicking out from a behind, where he played on, went for a short kick to a 50/50 contest, the ball was fisted by a Bulldogs player into the waiting arms of Brad Johnson for an easy goal. Only the stupidity of Brian Lake shortly afterwards prevented the Bulldogs being within 4 kicks at 3 quarter time.

Unfortunately errant kick outs by various Carlton players have already cost us dearly at times this season.

 

[Malifice]

Unlike the turnover from Stevens in the 3rd quarter, when kicking out from a behind, where he played on, went for a short kick to a 50/50 contest, the ball was fisted by a Bulldogs player into the waiting arms of Brad Johnson for an easy goal. Only the stupidity of Brian Lake shortly afterwards prevented the Bulldogs being within 4 kicks at 3 quarter time.

Unfortunately errant kick outs by various Carlton players have already cost us dearly at times this season.

Yeah. Its been an annoying feature of our game. (and for a while). That and holding the ball in the air with 5 minutes on the clock. I mean - I understand 'tempo' footy, but FFS its just not... Carlton-like!

Stevo just gets... well lazy sometimes with his kicking. I think Ill leave that one alone though...

Wasn't kick ins the specific reason why CJ was recruited? Perhaps we can have Hoops sprint back to take the kick in whenever possible. Or clone him. I feel safe when the balls in his hands.

At least we used the corridor and took the game on rather than play around with it and chip it around. I don't mind the occasional turnover when we are playing aggressive footy and making the opposition chase and try to negate US, rather than buggering around and turning it over trying to be cute and bringing it wide.

 

[Blue Bawls]

Just confidence, that's all. Same as JR and Carlos. He's come into a team that is leaps and bounds ahead of Melbourne in its approach to the game and self belief, and I reckon is a bit overwhelmed by the sense of occasion surrounding the Blues. Everyone else, bar the rookies who have come through this year, have been with us since we were shit, and have responded to Judd's influence and new attitude around the club.

Johnno has been in a shit club that is so mired in shit, that shit is all he's known. I've seen that wonderful left boot work magnificently, and once he settles in and gets on the right tram, I think we'll find value. Perhaps a few weeks in the Magoos will do him good.

 

[Charbzilla]

Just confidence, that's all. Same as JR and Carlos. He's come into a team that is leaps and bounds ahead of Melbourne in its approach to the game and self belief, and I reckon is a bit overwhelmed by the sense of occasion surrounding the Blues. Everyone else, bar the rookies who have come through this year, have been with us since we were shit, and have responded to Judd's influence and new attitude around the club.

Johnno has been in a shit club that is so mired in shit, that shit is all he's known. I've seen that wonderful left boot work magnificently, and once he settles in and gets on the right tram, I think we'll find value. Perhaps a few weeks in the Magoos will do him good.

Over-analysing?

What about just saying he couldnt kick properly this round, and he will improve his kicking when he is fit again. Why is everything thought to be so complex?

HE has a precision kick. He fluffed about 4 kicks and knows it. He'll learn from this.

Just lucky they didnt capitalize on his shockers.

 

[Feva]

I think he will be good for us.

Had a shocker on Sunday but I think he is trying to be too precise with his kicking and trying these worm burner passes.

 

[Blue Bawls]

Over-analysing?

What about just saying he couldnt kick properly this round, and he will improve his kicking when he is fit again. Why is everything thought to be so complex?

HE has a precision kick. He fluffed about 4 kicks and knows it. He'll learn from this.

Just lucky they didnt capitalize on his shockers.

Over-generalising?

He has shown he can kick, and whether or not it was his injury that caused him to be especially shit in Q1 is a moot point. I just think - particularly like JR - it's a confidence thing and offered the reasons why.

 

[dutchy12]

Just confidence, that's all. Same as JR and Carlos. He's come into a team that is leaps and bounds ahead of Melbourne in its approach to the game and self belief, and I reckon is a bit overwhelmed by the sense of occasion surrounding the Blues. Everyone else, bar the rookies who have come through this year, have been with us since we were shit, and have responded to Judd's influence and new attitude around the club.

Johnno has been in a shit club that is so mired in shit, that shit is all he's known. I've seen that wonderful left boot work magnificently, and once he settles in and gets on the right tram, I think we'll find value. Perhaps a few weeks in the Magoos will do him good.

Wasn't Chris Johnson part of three finals campaigns at Melbourne?

 

[Blue Bawls]

Wasn't Chris Johnson part of three finals campaigns at Melbourne?

My ignorance of Melbourne's history has been exposed... How'd you go by the way?

 

[LordLucifer]

For player whose recruiting was based on the fact that his kicking was pinpoint he sure hit those three Doggies players on the chest in the first quarter.

Needs a looooong spell in the Ants before he is ever considered again for senior selection if ever.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Our new boo boy?

I've just re-watched the game and yes, he did have a bad day with the boot. But this is fairly out of the ordinary for him and I thought he looked ok otherwise. Got in reasonable positions and seemed ok around the packs.

I don't think we've seen the last of him to be honest.

 

[Sublime]

Its funny how people remember the clangers of the whipping boys so easily, yet happily forget the ones of 'the untouchables' in Murphy, Gibbs etc. Fact: a clanger is a clanger, regardless of who performs it.

 

[Smell The Glove]

Its funny how people remember the clangers of the whipping boys so easily, yet happily forget the ones of 'the untouchables' in Murphy, Gibbs etc. Fact: a clanger is a clanger, regardless of who performs it.

Watch his 20m floater in the first quarter that almost cost us a goal. And tell me that a professional footballer renowned for their kicking skill would make that mistake.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Unlike the turnover from Stevens in the 3rd quarter...

Us 'supporters' should really watch a replay. Johnson gave one of the most spirited performances - I dare say - of his career. Chased hard, tackled hard, took contested marks, and crumbed well when he couldn't. No coach in his right mind would dare thinking about dropping someone with his endeavour!

Lucky for us he copped that strain

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Its funny how people remember the clangers of the whipping boys so easily, yet happily forget the ones of 'the untouchables' in Murphy, Gibbs etc. Fact: a clanger is a clanger, regardless of who performs it.

I suppose the thing is, you can forgive a clanger from a player who wins you games, e.g. Fev, Murphy, and Judd have all won us games so we give them some latitude! Judd had 3 goals kicked on him by Mcveigh with sloppy defending but we forgive him because he busts a gut in every game and also wins us games.

On the other hand we raise the clangers of the whipping boys because they hurt us in games with those clangers but hardly make it up to us in other weeks. J Russell was one of these guys up until this season - kudos to him and he has slowly started winning back some respect. Also, it means most fair minded posters wont flame him for a couple of poor games, basically giving him some latitude for deeds done.

Clangers + typically little impact in games = forum flaming based on performance.

 

[MBIB]

Watch his 20m floater in the first quarter that almost cost us a goal. And tell me that a professional footballer renowned for their kicking skill would make that mistake.

He kicked a couple that cost us goals. As you say though, he's IS a professional footballer renowned for his kicking skill and yes did make those mistakes. I don't think that's arguable.

I must admit at the game I thought he'd done 4 clangers from 4 kicks. Watching the replay he'd done a few good things in the midst of those clangers which I'm sure he more than anyone is disappointed with.

 

[celtic_pride]

Its funny how people remember the clangers of the whipping boys so easily, yet happily forget the ones of 'the untouchables' in Murphy, Gibbs etc. Fact: a clanger is a clanger, regardless of who performs it.

The problem with that argument Sublime, is that none of the clanger kicks by the midfielders on the w/end had the potential to cost the club dearly on the scoreboard, as CJ's mis-kicks were.
He cost us at least 2-3 goals in the loss to Sydney IMHO, and it was just lucky Footscray's poor kicking we weren't crucified for CJ's clangers.

The Fact is, clangers from a backmen/defender are far more costly to a club then any missed directed kicks from a midfielder.
I think a lot of us were happy for the club to recruit him and welcome him to the team, but his kicking and turnovers are extremely frustrating ... He isn't a 'whipping boy' because of any prior perceived reputation IE Jordan Russell, it's just right now, his disposal and lack of defensive intensity and pressure is not good enough for AFL standards.