Chris Judd - The Crime and the Punishment - 4 Weeks

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Is anyone else of the view that Judd had adams arm before he hit the ground? almost a split second before he hit the ground judd went to grab his arm, and then held on after he hit the ground.

Obviously he has pushed back with the intent to cause discomfort, i'm not disputing that. But i dont think its as if adams was lying on the ground then judds picked up his arm and pulled it back.
Judd's actions occurred after Adams' stomach was already on the ground with a Carlton player on his back. Despite this, he did not stop. Swallow's moral and completely understandable reaction, along with every other North Melbourne teammates that felt for Adams' safety, was the only action that caused him to stop. Even Adams' legs writhing in sign of pain/injury was not enough to cause him to stop.

Intention and negligence was there to anyone that possesses common sense.
 

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I guess an arm grab is worth as much as breaking Simpson's face because you have a good record. o_O

What a croc.

Apparently Judd knows how to pop a shoulder out by grabbing the wrist and elbow. :confused: :rolleyes:

Adams' shoulder is as suspect as Jamison's. The tribunal will need to consider if it dislocated again after Collins bumped him going for the ball.

Next time, Judd should sling Adams into the turf like Sidebottom did to Mclean. Or drive Adams into the turf like Lonergan did to Carrazzo to break said shoulder. The AFL just pick and choose based on the media attention and how many Helen Lovejoys get on their soap box. The damage is just an after thought.
Take it to the delusional Blues board who will apparently believe it.
 

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The point being that people saying he should get 6-8 weeks are kidding themselves.
1-2 weeks at best would be a fair result - it's not as if Adams didn't see out the game in any event.
Then you're not going to like the result. They wouldn't refer a case straight to the tribunal for a piddling 1-2 week penalty. They should also refer Judd to a psychiatrist.
 

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I guess an arm grab is worth as much as breaking Simpson's face because you have a good record. o_O

What a croc.

Apparently Judd knows how to pop a shoulder out by grabbing the wrist and elbow. :confused: :rolleyes:

Adams' shoulder is as suspect as Jamison's. The tribunal will need to consider if it dislocated again after Collins bumped him going for the ball.

Next time, Judd should sling Adams into the turf like Sidebottom did to Mclean. Or drive Adams into the turf like Lonergan did to Carrazzo to break said shoulder. The AFL just pick and choose based on the media attention and how many Helen Lovejoys get on their soap box. The damage is just an after thought.
Did you cry while typing that? With Judd prior history of attacking players in a tackle he should get a healthy 6-8 weeks.

If it was up to me he would be deregistered for continually disregarding duty of care on the field.
 

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Typical of Commetti, enough to make me almost bring my dinner up, what a suckhole :rolleyes:
You almost never would have guessed that Commetti and Judd are good mates and used to co-own racehorses together.... would you. :rolleyes:

Just about had enough of Commetti and Bruce on tv now.
 

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Carlton have already gone crying to the MRP with their medical reports, I doubt we will be doing them any favours.
Do you mean Joseph? He was dazed after the bump, his state after the injury shouldn't have on bearing a Ziebulls outcome, was worth a free, that was it. Players get hurt in play to me this looked like one of those incidents. I highly doubt Carlton are manufacturing a medical report to ensure Zeibull gets done.
 

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Is anyone else of the view that Judd had adams arm before he hit the ground? almost a split second before he hit the ground judd went to grab his arm, and then held on after he hit the ground.

Obviously he has pushed back with the intent to cause discomfort, i'm not disputing that. But i dont think its as if adams was lying on the ground then judds picked up his arm and pulled it back.
Mate, Judd's intention was to hold his arm as he hit the ground. He then proceeded to wrench his arm, causing Adams upper half/shoulder to lift off the ground. Its clear as day!

How you defend something like this, i have no idea
 

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So now you delusional flogs are claiming he had Adams hand before the kid went down?

FFS :rolleyes:
All ive suggested was he was attempting to tackle adams before he went to ground, and my view of it was he did have his arm just before he hit the ground. Would love to see another angle of it, but was at the game and heard ch 7 only showed it once?

Not disillusioned at all. I think he has done the wrong thing and should get suspended, but think there is room to argue his case.
 

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Chris Judd is a superb player and I wished he played for the Woods. I suppose what is fuelling the "blood lust" which some Carlton supporters are complaining about, is the justified feeling that Chris Judd has never copped his right wack for the Campbell Brown eye gouge and the elbow to Matthew Pavlich's face. He was definetly given preferential treatment. Should have gotten 3 weeks for each.

That, coupled with the total and irrational denial by some ( not all ) Carlton fans that he has done nothing wrong at all. That, plus the preferential treatment he received with the shifty Visy ambassador crap, naturally has lead to a great deal of resentment and a feeling that it is about time he was brought to account.

Tall poppy syndrome? Probably to some extent, but not totally undeserved
 

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All ive suggested was he was attempting to tackle adams before he went to ground, and my view of it was he did have his arm just before he hit the ground. Would love to see another angle of it, but was at the game and heard ch 7 only showed it once?

Not disillusioned at all. I think he has done the wrong thing and should get suspended, but think there is room to argue his case.
You are hoping

for anything

to lessen the blow.
 

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Doc Larkins is also reporting that North are favouring putting Adams into season ending surgery. He will train this week & if he can't sustain the pain, they will finish his year.

Will the Carlton supporters who wanted an 'eye for an eye' with Wellingham suggest that ending Judd's year is fair sanction?
 

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Is anyone else of the view that Judd had adams arm before he hit the ground? almost a split second before he hit the ground judd went to grab his arm, and then held on after he hit the ground.
I agree, he had his arm a fraction of a second before he hit the ground, he had him gripped by the bicep in the crook of the elbow.

BUT. What damns Judd is he had no need to move his hand down onto patch's wrist, lift and twist.
Controlling the wrist is a basic jiu jitsu principal because its the furthest point of the 'lever' and thus easier to control and do damage.

If Judds intention was to stop a handball as he claims, he had absolutely zero need to move his hand from the bicep where he had perfectly fine control of the situation. What he did was intentional and malicious no matter what spin he trys to put on it.



Seriously, id like to hear someone tell me why the grip he has here wasn't enough and why he should feel the need to move his grip to the wrist, and following that wrench the arm back.
 

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Doc Larkins is also reporting that North are favouring putting Adams into season ending surgery. He will train this week & if he can't sustain the pain, they will finish his year.

Will the Carlton supporters who wanted an 'eye for an eye' with Wellingham suggest that ending Judd's year is fair sanction?
Imagine Judd had shoulder problems and actually knew the damage he could create from what he did...

Imagine Judd had eye balls...
 

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You are hoping

for anything

to lessen the blow.
Of course i am.

Just playing devils advocate (not helping im a carlton supporter) Carlton will argue that he attempted to tackle adams while he was still standing (which judd did do), held onto his arm as he hit the ground.

Should he get off - no, but its not as if carlton wont mount an argument.
 

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I guess an arm grab is worth as much as breaking Simpson's face because you have a good record. o_O

What a croc.

Apparently Judd knows how to pop a shoulder out by grabbing the wrist and elbow. :confused: :rolleyes:

Adams' shoulder is as suspect as Jamison's. The tribunal will need to consider if it dislocated again after Collins bumped him going for the ball.

Next time, Judd should sling Adams into the turf like Sidebottom did to Mclean. Or drive Adams into the turf like Lonergan did to Carrazzo to break said shoulder. The AFL just pick and choose based on the media attention and how many Helen Lovejoys get on their soap box. The damage is just an after thought.
Yeah, Sidebottom's tackle was REALLY dirty. Should have gone for the season. Tackling needs to be eradicated from the game.
 

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Does it matter if it was dislocated or not?

It looks as though he intends Adams harm - certainly Swallow thought as much.

At best he was stopping a handball very poorly and is negligent.

At worst he was trying to maim someone outside the rules and spirit of the game.

Either way the fact is Adams was off the ground for 15 minutes as a result of Judd's actions - malicious or negligent.

He needs to be held to account for his actions.
 

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Ways to prevent Adams from freeing the ball if such an intention is present (clutching at straws):
  • Fall on top of him, in the same way that your teammate is doing. Cover all exit points with a full body tackle. This takes LESS effort than any other action as it requires LESS precise movements and premeditation to pull off.
  • Grab the arm and pin it to the GROUND. Use the force of your body to hold the arm down to the GROUND. This in turn does not impede the natural movement of the shoulder.
Ways to cause shoulder injury to Adams, who has already had a shoulder injury and thus a weaker joint:
  • Grab the arm after Adams is already on the ground, lying on his stomach, with your own teammate on his back - pull the shoulder upwards toward your body and implement any of the following actions that causes the most commonly dislocated joint in the body to become dislocated/injured - ABDUCTION, EXTENSION AND EXTERNAL ROTATION. Do not stop until the captain of the opposing team pushes you away - even if the injured player is writhing his leg as a sign of severe pain/injury which is immediately associated with a shoulder dislocation.
  • AKA, do what Judd did in a heavily precise and premeditated manner.
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There was no reason for Judd to put Adams in that position, regardless of the result. Only an individual with no moral compass and a complete lack of common sense would construed his actions as anything but intentional and negligent in the overall play of the sport. His action was precise and premeditated and eventuated in an injury to Adams.
 
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I guess an arm grab is worth as much as breaking Simpson's face because you have a good record. o_O

What a croc.

Apparently Judd knows how to pop a shoulder out by grabbing the wrist and elbow. :confused: :rolleyes:

Adams' shoulder is as suspect as Jamison's. The tribunal will need to consider if it dislocated again after Collins bumped him going for the ball.

Next time, Judd should sling Adams into the turf like Sidebottom did to Mclean. Or drive Adams into the turf like Lonergan did to Carrazzo to break said shoulder. The AFL just pick and choose based on the media attention and how many Helen Lovejoys get on their soap box. The damage is just an after thought.
Geez mate, that's far too emotional a response.

I thought Wellingham should have got 6 weeks for caving Simmo's face in; in no way did I say Judd's punishment should parallel the incredibly lenient sentence he received.

I just wont defend Judd's dirty tactics; I didn't defend him gouging Rischitelli's eye and I sure as hell wont defend him trying to rip a players arm out of the socket. He needs to stamp that shit out of his game because there is now a few instances of him shamefully infringing opponents.
 

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Geez mate, that's far too emotional a response.

I thought Wellingham should have got 6 weeks for caving Simmo's face in; in no way did I say Judd's punishment should parallel the incredibly lenient sentence he received.

I just wont defend Judd's dirty tactics; I didn't defend him gouging Rischitelli's eye and I sure as hell wont defend him trying to rip a players arm out of the socket. He needs to stamp that shit out of his game because there is now a few instances of him shamefully infringing opponents.
Imagine if either of the incidents happened while the ball was in play...

Wait a minute...
 

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Geez mate, that's far too emotional a response.

I thought Wellingham should have got 6 weeks for caving Simmo's face in; in no way did I say Judd's punishment should parallel the incredibly lenient sentence he received.

I just wont defend Judd's dirty tactics; I didn't defend him gouging Rischitelli's eye and I sure as hell wont defend him trying to rip a players arm out of the socket. He needs to stamp that shit out of his game because there is now a few instances of him shamefully infringing opponents.
... Whilst being held down by an opponent
 
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