thylacine60
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Was interested to hear Sticks say that finals performances count toward the B & F. Murph must be pretty close to snagging it if so.
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Chris Judd
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Something's up. In the last couple of weeks he has been trying to win the ball in the air instead of packs. Wonder if he was carrying anything or whether he was just tired. Scott Selwood also seems to have his measure.
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It's probably not the best indicator, but given the board's votes have Murphy leading Judd ~68 to 46, I can't see him not winning the B&F.
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Team mates dont work hard enough to help him get space, the attention he gets his team mates should be smacking and hitting Selwood types at every chance, but no they dont, they leave him to fend for himself, and if the umps aren't gonna put a stop to the holding scragging pulling and dirty shit arse tactics these mongrels use, then Judds gonna struggle....
Personally i also think his been hampered by a niggle, not sure what, but his take off pace is off atm,
- Murphy should win the B&F this year, just my opinion.
Personally i also think his been hampered by a niggle, not sure what, but his take off pace is off atm,
- Murphy should win the B&F this year, just my opinion.
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Sticks said himself he expects Murphy to win it
SE_Blue
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No trade value, would get nothing for him. Delist ASAP
As our team improves he should get in the best less.
However agree he needs to spread and get more outside ball like Murphy, swan etc
God some people have short memories. Last three weeks undoes his brilliant season? He was pretty much unstoppable in the first 15 games.
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Lock the thread.
I am certain Judd has been carrying some injury over the past 4 weeks - has lacked the zip and ability to accelerate away from the hard tags.
Pretty sure the tactic has been for Judd to draw the heavy tags towards him to allow Murphy, Simpson etc space to break away.
Pretty sure the tactic has been for Judd to draw the heavy tags towards him to allow Murphy, Simpson etc space to break away.
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No he wasn't. In a 7 game period between rounds 7 and 14, he only polled 5 votes on the Carlton board. In comparison, Murphy polled 25.
In fact, he was only deemed BOG once in the first 15 games of the season, 2nd BOG twice, 3rd BOG twice. Murphy 5 times BOG and thrice 2nd BOG, 3rd BOG thrice.
As much as we love him, 5 times in our best 3, in the first 15 weeks of the season, while a great achievement for most, is below par for Judd.
Granted he had an excellent five week period following where he was our best in 4 of 5 games, but take out that period and its 21 games for the solitary BOG and 5 times in our top 3. Looking at it objectively, he's had a quiet season by his standards, with a short period of dominance, not the other way round.
And before you reply, of course it's all relative when discussing Chris Judd. Even a quiet season from him is a fair bit better than what the majority can produce.
thylacine60
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Have a feeling Goodes will mow him down late in the Charlie. 
BlueStars5
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Oh please, a quite season my arse. 2011 is the best season Judd has played for Carlton. It is bad enough all the shit he cops on the main board, however to suggest he had a quite season is just Bull shit. If the season ran from Round 22 to last nights final (4 games) then yes Judd had a very quite season and a poor finals series by his standards, not disputing that.
To back up your claim by saying carlton board votes back this up is ridiculous, you only have look at what players have received votes in some of the games on this board to back up this claim. People have there favorites and vote accordingly. Fact is Judd is voted too hard on this board. As if he was BOG in one of the first 15 games only, you got to be joking.
Gee I wonder how Judd won the MVP for someone who had a quite season? (by over 800 votes too) Will win the Brownlow next Monday night too IMO (certianly poll the most votes for Carlton), May win the coaches votes too. He was coming 2nd before it went into camera (3 votes behind murphy and the winner out of them will come down to the Freo games as neither Judd or Murphy will poll in the last 3 games (hawthorn, bye, st kilda) It just depends on if Judd gets 9 or 10 against Freo and if Murphy can get 6 or 7.
Judd probably won't win the B&F because that is based on consistency and roles that players are ask to do, they get recognised more within the club and Murphy would have had a lot less bad games then Judd. The fact that you can get 50 votes in anyone game, means a few down games and it is so much harder to win the B&F with the voting system that is in place at Carlton. Murphy doesn't have the impact on games that Judd has on games that is a fact and that is the reason Judd will poll more brownlow votes then Murphy, he has bigger impact on matches, then what Murphy does, the stats back this up too (I am not talking about poss.). It not all about who gets the most touches, you don't need to look at the stats sheet to see who played well and who didn't and at least the brownlow show this.
Super player but doubt he will get votes in any game against the top five really struggled in the big games all year
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Voted too harshly on this board? He was voted our best in both 2009 and 2010. Not judged harshly at all.
Also might helped if you looked up the definition of 'relative' (as well as the correct spelling of quiet). I never claimed he had a quiet season - just quiet by his standards. It just so happens that a quiet season from Judd has him comfortably in our best 2 players.
Is it not worth noting that his performances against the top sides were below his usual standards? Of the six games against top 4 sides, he only polled vs. Collingwood. Was well held by WC twice and Hawthorn and quiet vs. the Cats. Little impact in either Saints game.
He managed 25+ touches on 14 ocassions this season. Only 4 against top 8 sides. Only once vs a top 4 side.
Is his style of play too easily countered by plonking a big bodied midfielder on him at the stoppages? What can he do to ensure that he still has an impact when he's not winning clearances? What can his teammates do to ensure he continues to have an impact? Does he need to sacrifice a bit of size to improve agility?
Can we afford to have him play more outside and start damaging teams with his blistering acceleration now that we've got the players who can hold their own on the inside?
I have no doubt the MC and coaches will be assessing these questions over the season and don't see the harm in posing them here, either. Easy enough to stick your fingers in your ears and claim that Judd is invincible, but assessing closely there's little doubt that the opposition are having more success diminishing his influence on a game.
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What a bizarre thread.
The magical 24 touches mark.
It reads like KissStephanie's work.
Judd had 22 touches against Geelong running with one ankle, yet you're still bagging his work against the top four.
Just a lazy 35 touches against Collingwood.
Great players are down for a month because they're carrying an injury they can manage. Ratten's not going to give the media anything and take away from the opposition's efforts. God knows how everyone overreacts to Carlton picking players who aren't 100%.
Bizarre thread.
The magical 24 touches mark.
It reads like KissStephanie's work.
Judd had 22 touches against Geelong running with one ankle, yet you're still bagging his work against the top four.
Just a lazy 35 touches against Collingwood.
Great players are down for a month because they're carrying an injury they can manage. Ratten's not going to give the media anything and take away from the opposition's efforts. God knows how everyone overreacts to Carlton picking players who aren't 100%.
Bizarre thread.
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If he's been suffering an injury the last month, then fair enough, but the thread's moreso an observation that he doesn't have a plan B at present. If he's tagged out of the clearances (which he has more often this year than any other at Carlton bar 2008) he struggles to influence himself on a game.
Why not in those situations, make use of his explosiveness and play him on a wing? At the moment Ratten insists on moving him forward, but it hasn't worked for him.
Have a feeling Goodes will mow him down late in the Charlie.
I'll see your goodes and raise you a pendlebury
Judd i;m sure has been carrying something over the last of weeks.
Still our most important player. OP is blinded by a very good up and coming player.
Butera
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Will be great when he finally has a midfield that goes out of their way to give him a chop out whilst being r*ped by a tagger.
Look how many times carrazzo got polaxed, bumped, scragged, blocked, and held whilst trying to tag kerr.
Then look at how many times it happened for juddy, we just dont give him a chop out.
All in all, his is by far our best player, you are deluded if you think his not, murphy is lucky juddy is taking all the heat from taggers.
juddy will be back better then ever next year, something tells me something wasnt quite right with the champ in the latter part of the year, and thats not included his new child.
Look how many times carrazzo got polaxed, bumped, scragged, blocked, and held whilst trying to tag kerr.
Then look at how many times it happened for juddy, we just dont give him a chop out.
All in all, his is by far our best player, you are deluded if you think his not, murphy is lucky juddy is taking all the heat from taggers.
juddy will be back better then ever next year, something tells me something wasnt quite right with the champ in the latter part of the year, and thats not included his new child.
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Boston Sima
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judd still a great player even after finals series he will win the brownlow
Oh well, Ratts has said he's carrying nothing.......excpet perhaps that baby around the house?
Dramoth
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I would suggest slotting him out onto the wing and run Murphy and Robinson in the centre. If the opposition want to tag him, they will have to send their best midfield tagger out onto the wing to try and curb him. I reckon that could be a very good tactic when he starts getting a hard tag.
Bluebear
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.....but gets far less attention.
Have a look at any tape, this year and see how much attention Judd gets before he gets the ball.
This isn't a complaint, as Carrazzo does the same to whoever he is on, but if the umpire just watched Judd at every stoppage he would get a free kick every time. Blocking, holding.
I want to see Robbo, Ellard, Carrazzo etc taking it in turns to knock Judds opponent over and put some physical pressure back the other way.
He was still "big" at pivotal times in the dying stages of Sat night, but yes. It wouldn't surprise me if he was sore.
WCE only used on on him Sat night. Round 14 they built the wall in front of him with 2-3 blocking his run.
JuddsABlue
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Judds best work is his clearance work, I dont think moving him to the wing when players like Simpson play it much better
We need to block a little better and he probably needs a rest. Other than that what can we do? If the opposition wants to have somebody hanging off his shoulder all game, we need to make them pay through using our other mids better. Murphy can easily cut teams up who worry about Judd too much
We need to block a little better and he probably needs a rest. Other than that what can we do? If the opposition wants to have somebody hanging off his shoulder all game, we need to make them pay through using our other mids better. Murphy can easily cut teams up who worry about Judd too much
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Is it any wonder he's exhausted given how he sets up at stoppages? At the ruckmen's feet, with a player already hanging off him before the ball even arrives.
Have him starting ten metres off and attacking the contest at pace, or running past for the handball receive when it's not working inside could allow him to still have an impact.
