Chris Judd

[rose jam]

I would rank his best seasons as
2006
2004
2005
2011

He was in god mode the first half of 2007 before he got injured or warts or whatever happened to him.

You will find that he was quite ordinary in 2005. You might mean 2003, though I can't say I really remember his performances bacl then, but 2005 he was getting tagged out of a lot of matches.

 

[wce4premiership]

I don't think he's being undersold for his work at carlton. He was just better at the eagles, opposed to what you say I think most would say he was a more 'complete' player at the eagles.

At the blues he became a bit more inside, less balanced and his kicking dropped off a tiny bit. All of these factors are IMO due largely to his groin problems of 07.

 

[Chewy]

Remember all the hyperbole over Chris Judd this time last year? All that bullcrap about him being the greatest ever? I haven't heard a peep from the Juddy fans in 2012. Even Cometti and McAvaney are starting to comment on his grassed handballs and shonky kicks, where they previously glossed it over (or said it was "most unlike Judd" )

Judd hasn't been playing badly this year, but he hasn't been very good either. Just travelling. Probably 15-20 midfielders ahead of him if someone were to do a mid-season Top 50. He is probably worn out from carrying Carlton on his back. He'll probably win another best 'n' fairest, get 20 Brownlow votes and get another AA guernsey. Blues fans will mention these as further proof of his "unparalleled greatness".

I do love watching those video highlights packages of Judd from 2002-2006. What a player he was back in those days with Cox, Kerr and Cousins feeding him the ball. Jesus, he could move and he had a nose for goal. He has changed his game at Carlton (post groin op.) He gets more 'first possession' but he is nowhere near as damaging with his possessions as he used to be. He is stronger, but much slower. He's lost the zip which made him special. He is now a midfield plough like Jobe Watson, except Jobe takes marks, kicks goals and sets up his teammates better than Juddy.

 

[Gogeelong]

He is not in the top 100 players in the competition.
Gets free kicks to boost his figures.
You never know he could win the Charlie this year given the umpires view of things

This is the guy with the karate hold whatever it was??
G Ablett will have a more decorated and longer span in the AFL
Has been good but time has passed him by

 

[eaglespremiers]

This is the guy with the karate hold whatever it was??
G Ablett will have a more decorated and longer span in the AFL
Has been good but time has passed him by

Ablett has been better this year and is arguably better over his whole career but he is unlikely to be more decorated than Judd is.
If by decorated you mean Brownlows, Premiership medals, MVP, B&F, All-Australians etc.... then Ablett will be hard pressed to catch Juddy.
But that's not where the argument for Ablett lies anyway.
Regardless, you are simply trying to derail the thread. We've had these Ablett vs Judd discussions before.
This is obviously not what the OP intended.
And he is in the top 100 players in the AFL this year, comfortably.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Ablett has been better this year and is arguably better over his whole career but he is unlikely to be more decorated than Judd is.
If by decorated you mean Brownlows, Premiership medals, MVP, B&F, All-Australians etc.... then Ablett will be hard pressed to catch Juddy.
But that's not where the argument for Ablett lies anyway.
Regardless, you are simply trying to derail the thread. We've had these Ablett vs Judd discussions before.
This is obviously not what the OP intended.
And he is in the top 100 players in the AFL this year, comfortably.

Ablett has 3 x MVP, 2 x Premierships and 5 x All Australians and a brownlow...and to be honest he was unlucky not to get Norm Smith.as well. Thats not to bad and not exactly short of what Judd has achieved.

 

[Smeg Head]

Ablett has 3 x MVP, 2 x Premierships and 5 x All Australians and a brownlow...and to be honest he was unlucky not to get Norm Smith.as well. Thats not to bad and not exactly short of what Judd has achieved.

He does have a Norm Smith, from '05.

Derp, reread that apparently Gaz turned into Judd. Cocaine, its a hell of a drug.

 

[Monkey King]

He obviously fluked a brownlow based on his aura amongst the umpiring fraternity. Not trolling just stating fact.

It's far more myth than it is fact. Sure the media and mug punters had no clue Judd was well in it, given they'd all but awarded it to Swan, but if you followed the BigFooty Brownlow thread which observed it by genuine week-by-week voting instead of "the vibe" method used by many, you would have seen it was a Ablett/Judd win with Swan being pipped. And that's just how it turned out.

The following year, "the vibe" had it going to Judd and had his chances ravaged at the voting table. I think if you're looking for a good assessment of the player, you'd be best to do away with this banal type of thinking.

As for him now, if his form maintained this season instead of dropping off, BF would be singing a different tune. Has been just awesome since arriving at the Blues. Our B&F nearly every year, BOG's is nearly all our finals (until last year) and All Australian every year. Rumour has it he's really carrying an injury, but it's being guarded do to not wanting the opposition to target it. I love seeing the bloke in top flight, so I hope he can recover his best.

 

[Bestbird]

It's far more myth than it is fact. Sure the media and mug punters had no clue Judd was well in it, given they'd all but awarded it to Swan, but if you followed the BigFooty Brownlow thread which observed it by genuine week-by-week voting instead of "the vibe" method used by many, you would have seen it was a Ablett/Judd win with Swan being pipped. And that's just how it turned out.

The following year, "the vibe" had it going to Judd and had his chances ravaged at the voting table. I think if you're looking for a good assessment of the player, you'd be best to do away with this banal type of thinking.

As for him now, if his form maintained this season instead of dropping off, BF would be singing a different tune. Has been just awesome since arriving at the Blues. Our B&F nearly every year, BOG's is nearly all our finals (until last year) and All Australian every year. Rumour has it he's really carrying an injury, but it's being guarded do to not wanting the opposition to target it. I love seeing the bloke in top flight, so I hope he can recover his best.

There is no way he was the best player in that year though

But he was far and away the best player for Carlton so had no one taking votes of him as oppossed to Swan and Ablett

 

[Topper Harley]

Not having his best year, looks like this will be his forst non AA year since 2007.

 

[The_Eagles]

You will find that he was quite ordinary in 2005. You might mean 2003, though I can't say I really remember his performances bacl then, but 2005 he was getting tagged out of a lot of matches.

He wasn't ordinary, he was our best player in the finals and he was robbed IMO of All Australian by the Saints midfield .. He wasn't ordinary Cousins was just inspired

 

[Poseidon]

Carlton won that trade. We gained a top 3 player while West Coast got a spoon and a good ordinary tall froward.

Judd is carrying an injury right now, he'll be back to his best soon enough.

 

[FGMPR]

Carlton won that trade. We gained a top 3 player while West Coast got a spoon and a good ordinary tall froward.

Judd is carrying an injury right now, he'll be back to his best soon enough.

This isn't Bay 13. As for being back to his best, we haven't seen that for over 5 years now, so I wouldn't be getting my hopes up too high of seeing that.

 

[Monkey King]

There is no way he was the best player in that year though

Since when has the Brownlow always gone to the best player in the league? Generally if you're a top 5 midfielder you're in with a bloody good chance. As I said, punters with an eye to actual week-to-week voting across the league got it pretty right.

 

[Krueger]

Champion player in his prime and now a shadow of his former self. Might have the odd great game but he is on the decline - rapidly. Still he got what he was really after, the $$$ off Dick pratt. Good job Juddy

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

He has milked Carlton and VISY and set up his retirement and good on him. But I have no doubt Carlton would be better served having Kennedy (and possibly Masten?) right now.

Definitely lost his zip.

Ablett has 3 x MVP, 2 x Premierships and 5 x All Australians and a brownlow...and to be honest he was unlucky not to get Norm Smith.as well. Thats not to bad and not exactly short of what Judd has achieved.

Finally got around to watching the 08 DVD I gave you did you mate?!

 

[Monkey King]

He has milked Carlton and VISY and set up his retirement and good on him. But I have no doubt Carlton would be better served having Kennedy (and possibly Masten?) right now.

This is pretty embarrassing.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

This is pretty embarrassing.

What have you achieved with Judd?

 

[rose jam]

What have you achieved with Judd?

Agree, Kennedy at FF and being forced to have developed Gibbs in the middle you might find Carlton as a stronger side. I think that makes a lot of sense as all my posts do.

 

[Monkey King]

What have you achieved with Judd?

WTF does that have to do with Kennedy better serving Carlton right now?

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

WTF does that have to do with Kennedy better serving Carlton right now?

It's an interesting one. Obviously with Kennedy showing a few injury concerns, the Blues would be feeling a lot better about the trade.
Judd has provided relevance to Carlton in a time when they had become irrelevant. He has done all he could to lift them up the ladder despite his body clearly being on the decline. No way Carlton fans would ever regret the trade because they love what Judd has done for them.
But if you were looking at it coldly, Carlton would be far better off into the future if Judd and Armfield were swapped with Kennedy and Masten. This has a little to do with the injuries the Blues have had this year, and that they are seemingly out of contention for '12. They'd wanna win one in '13 or '14 or I think that might be the end of Judd.
Kennedy will be playing and dominating for another 5-6 years.
Masten now looks like a talented midfield prospect too.

 

[Monkey King]

But if you were looking at it coldly, Carlton would be far better off into the future if Judd and Armfield were swapped with Kennedy and Masten. This has a little to do with the injuries the Blues have had this year, and that they are seemingly out of contention for '12. They'd wanna win one in '13 or '14 or I think that might be the end of Judd.
Kennedy will be playing and dominating for another 5-6 years.
Masten now looks like a talented midfield prospect too.

The post said Kennedy right now - and right now Judd is of far more use. Up to this point, Judd has easily been the far, far greater acquisition. Into the future, which is where you're basing you comment, we have a complete unknown that can only be guessed at, with no guess better than another. Really though, there is no future without it's past and who knows where the Blues would be had Judd not come over. You can't take the now as any demarcating start-point when looking at the future of this trade.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

The post said Kennedy right now - and right now Judd is of far more use. Up to this point, Judd has easily been the far, far greater acquisition. Into the future, which is where you're basing you comment, we have a complete unknown that can only be guessed at, with no guess better than another. Really though, there is no future without it's past and who knows where the Blues would be had Judd not come over. You can't take now as any demarcating start-point.

But I thought I already did that. How could I have done it if I can't do it?

Let's just say you had the chance to trade Judd and Armfield for Kennedy and Masten, right now, including the current injury to Kennedy and Judd's apparent lameness, would you do it? With out a waffling explanation about how it doesn't really matter, just purely a hypothetical, would you do it?

 

[calyam]

There is no way he was the best player in that year though

But he was far and away the best player for Carlton so had no one taking votes of him as oppossed to Swan and Ablett

This is mostly correct but it also does not take away from Judd's achievements. He is not the first and he certainly won't be the last player to benefit from a lack of quality players taking votes away from him. It is an inevitably result of all games being considered equal, all best on ground performances are viewed as equal in the Brownlow Medal when in reality we know that some best on ground performances are vastly better than others. As far as I'm concerned, in absolute terms Judd was in the top 5 players in 2010 and therefore him winning the Brownlow Medal was a perfectly legitimate result.

As for his form this season, he missed most of the pre-season. We do not hesitate to use this excuse for most players, so why would this not affect Judd? I imagine his form will improve over the course of the season as he gains fitness and strength.

 

[Monkey King]

Let's just say you had the chance to trade Judd and Armfield for Kennedy and Masten, right now, including the current injury to Kennedy and Judd's apparent lameness, would you do it? With out a waffling explanation about how it doesn't really matter, just purely a hypothetical, would you do it?

Maybe in two years time, but probably not right now; no.