Chris Judd
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He deserted them in their hour of need. I totally understand why they would boo him.
Absolutely. He gets a free ride from everyone when he was the club captain and couldn't get out there fast enough when he was actually required to show some leadership. Has characterised his whole career and persona.
This!
Your club leaders are meant to be the ones that rally the troops during the hard times at the club, Judd just cut and run taking the cash and claiming 'home sickness'.
I also think it was very telling that when he was getting into scuffles on thursday night pretty much no Carlton players came to his defense or to back him up yet eagles players would appear from everywhere to back their team mates up.
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Ridiculous statement, he did no such thing. He was an important part of a great team, but did not win us a premiership.
Actually his disposal in 2005 hurt the teams chances enormously
Well I (and 95% of the AFL watching public) will agree to disagree with you then. Judd tried to get Cuz, Fletcher, Kerr, Chick et al to pull their heads in off-field but it got too much for him. He wanted out.
Yep! I don't get it either. Each to their own though.
Great insight from someone that was obviously at the club at the time! What position did you hold at the club during those years out of interest??? Or is that all just things you made up or heard on bigfooty??
Pretty hard to show leadership in these situations when you arent sqeaky clean yourself.
I dont get the claim that he won us that premiership! He has proven since going to your club that he is not good enough to make a club successful singlehandedly.
That premiership was won by a team full of great players, most of those players have proven since that they are just as good or better without Judd there.
He left a club that refused to accept they had a massive culture problem from the CEO down. No-one wanted to acknowledge there was a drug problem at the club & ultimately it was left to the AFL to take action against Cousins & put the club on notice they had to get their act together. I seem to remember the parent of a potential draftee stating he was concerned about the possibility his son being drafted by the Eagles given the culture there at the time.
I don't necessarily disagree with you about the team of great players stuff, but you wouldn't have won the flag without key members of that team and Judd was indeed just that. Therefore IMO it's not at all a stretch to claim that in the casual way it was written.
Thats a very different statement to "judd won us the premiership", which implys he was the sole reason we won.
Im thankful for what he did at west coast, but when your captain leaves during the clubs darkest hour you have to accept there will be some bitterness. He chose to take the money and fair play to him it was a heap of money, but with that he has to accept he pissed a lot of eagles fans off.
...but if you could say the same thing about Cuz,Cox,Kerr,Glass etc (which you could), whats of the point of saying it in the first place? Its not a good enough reason for us as supporters not to have felt disappointed and annoyed and his abandoning of us in our time of need as a club.
I don't want to see a champion of the game decline like we may be witnessing, but as a football supporter, surely you can understand a little bitterness towards him for abandoning us, as well as us Eagles fans to take a fair bit of joy from watching a young midfielder who joined the club the same time as Judd was leaving towel him up. It's kind of symbolic, in that the wounds from 2007 have now been fully healed and the so called 'leader' who ditched us looks like never winning a flag again.
Itll be sad if one of our premiership captains doesn't feel like an eagle in 10, 20 years. When I heard him on the couch say he hoped and wondered if Carlton would win it all while he was there, I got a tinge of **** that guy... But it's clear he wont anyway. It isn't that far off to say he won us the flag he was the centerpiece of the team like lebron james or Ronaldo
Funny you claim judd left for money and that his home sickness was BS......What position did you have at either club to know this as fact? Love to hear your insight on how you know Judds motives.
To me, that's not a different statement at all, it's just the way I read it. I think any football follower would realise it doesn't imply him being the sole reason you won, just by virtue of the understanding that that's basically impossible in our game over 120 odd minutes.
Like I said, each to their own; if bitterness is your thing, then go for it. It's the bold comments where the mentality completely breaks down for me. As was a suggested outcome for some years, Judd returned home. Period! And players do it nearly every year. The deal he eventually accepted was by all reports not that dissimilar to what WCE offered him to stay, so you've basically just made something up to be bitter about.
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This. It's sad that Hall really wants nothing to do with us, and constantly blames Sydney for what happened when he needs to take responsibility as well for his actions. At the end of the day they lifted up the premiership cup, nothing will change that. Can understand why Eagles supporters would feel the same way RE: Judd, whether he ditched them or not.
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I think the context of the comment is what gives it it's relevance. We're talking about a guy who won you a flag. He may not have done it himself, but it's unlikely you would have had that flag without him; which is actually the point being made. No need to argue over the semantics if you appreciate the point. (I didn't actually make the comment btw) FWIW I would say similar about Williams, Silvagni and a couple of others about the Blues 1995 flag. Those blokes won us a flag!
Not really. I only really feel bitter about Aaron Hamill having left the Blues and he's a prime example of a guy who genuinely left for the money and pretty much nothing else - and we got nothing for him, in part thanks to our own recruiting. Had we got a Masten/JK combo, I would have been placated somewhat.
So while I don't really get it, I can appreciate you may have some irrational kind of residual angst, but it's mostly the expression of the angst (which seems to be intensifying tbh) after so many years now that IMO reflects poorly upon your supporters. The guy simply wanted to return home - as had been on the cards - and insisted the club he nominated give reasonable compensation. I get you might be peeved, but you could hardly ask for more. I just reckon the feigned outrage at any lack of integrity is laughable - especially when citing a captaincy he never wanted and in the eyes of most WCE supporters, a captaincy he never even held in anything other than name. I call shenanigans.
Of course its a different statement:
"Judd won west coast the premiership" vs "Judd was part of the team that won the premiership"
Both say very different things.
As to the money being offered by west coast being the same as at carlton, you seem to be forgetting the visy payments which make it quite different. I also do not mean to imply it was the sole reason he left, sure there were others, but it was a big part of it, the whole homesickness thing players claim never sits well with me and its my opinion its normally a cover for other reasons.
"Judd won west coast the premiership" vs "Judd was part of the team that won the premiership"
Both say very different things.
As to the money being offered by west coast being the same as at carlton, you seem to be forgetting the visy payments which make it quite different. I also do not mean to imply it was the sole reason he left, sure there were others, but it was a big part of it, the whole homesickness thing players claim never sits well with me and its my opinion its normally a cover for other reasons.
Ratten needs to be brave. As a our stars come back he needs to find away to allow judd to open up. A move away from the ball may be the move.
I'd like to see him on a wing. Away from the current scrumming, but still close to goal where he is dangerous (maybe not off his own foot but he can set up a goal). In the current game where numbers at the ball are closing down the contested ball, he drags his opposition to the ball. On a wing he either drags a tagger away from the ball, or could find space if the tag drops off.
I also reckon by repositioning him his confidence in his own disposal as he will have less of those high pressure kicks get out kicks and handball.
I'd like to see him on a wing. Away from the current scrumming, but still close to goal where he is dangerous (maybe not off his own foot but he can set up a goal). In the current game where numbers at the ball are closing down the contested ball, he drags his opposition to the ball. On a wing he either drags a tagger away from the ball, or could find space if the tag drops off.
I also reckon by repositioning him his confidence in his own disposal as he will have less of those high pressure kicks get out kicks and handball.
So what you're saying is that you had to alter my statement in order to make an objection? He wasn't just part of the team, he was a key to the team; or if you want to go as far as the way The_Eagles put it, the centerpiece. Judd won you a flag mate, it's a fair enough statement.
You seem to be forgetting that WCE are famous for third party salary support. It's been noted by a couple of sources that Judd would have been on similar money at either club. But I get that it gives your angst more definition to believe otherwise.