Coach Chris Scott contracted to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part 5- its Like Rocky)

[Lana]

Please note: this is not anything against Scott. Just a genuine question that has come to my mind.

Why does Scott find it so hard to retire players like Dahl, Higgins and Rohan when in the past he has let players like Chapman, Kelly, Stokes retire (then go to Essendon.) Ottens, Scarlett. Why does he find it so hard now?

Higgins is a lot more cooked then what Scarlett was in 2012.

Ask Wells rather than Scott, that's his role.

As to why Wells has positioned us this way now that way then.

Players tend to stay longer in the AFL now compare to a decade ago, some of that is improvements to sport science, some of that is COVID. A lot less kids get draft these days. In my opinion a data driven approach has probably seeped in, a 30 year old with at least 100 games played who played at least 1 game last year has an median games similar to a pick in the 40s in the draft. So end of year if there is a decision to keep an older player or take pick 70 a the draft. Older player might just get the additional year. The average player of teams fielded at AFL level not just at Geelong is a lot higher.

Our list demographics are way different from back. We had mid career, Selwood and Hawkins, then Dangerfield was lured to the club, renewal without decline became possible. Our 2009 and 2010 draft + Josh Caddy + Motlop were perceived at the time to be quite strong and we were trying to fast track them.

Scarlett, Ottens were offered contracts, Chapman and Bartel were offered contracts but weren't guaranteed selection so chose to leave, some were pushed like Corey and Pods. Johnson, Kelly and Stokes (who had a decline in his final year with us) freed up money for Dangerfield and Co. They were all also out of contract, Higgins and Dahlhaus weren't, Rohan kicked 30 goals last year, and is unimpeachable with his defensive pressure. A perceived deficiency there can end an otherwise productive career.

 

[Lana]

On the topic of retiring older players, below is a list of age when a player played his last game for Geelong since 1997, there has been 60 players who have played a game for the club being aged 29 year or old.

Note that Rohan and Menegola haven't played a game this year.

This puts into context, our clubs change is selection philosophy, the complaint of us keeping players around, and there relative age of some of our older recruits.

It is interesting to compare the ages of say Kelly, Corey to our Recruitment of Higgins and Smith.

It might be beneficial to look at it from a role prospective, to me the trend is that defenders, versatile and outside players tend to stick around longer.

	Player	DOB	Games	Year of first game	Year of last game	Debut	Last ↑
	Ablett, Gary	1984-05-14	247	2002	2020	17.88	36.45
	Enright, Corey	1981-09-14	332	2001	2016	19.56	35.02
	Milburn, Darren	1977-04-15	292	1997	2011	19.96	34.38
	Taylor, Harry	1986-06-12	280	2008	2020	21.8	34.37
Current	Higgins, Shaun	1988-03-04	22	2021	2022	33.04	34.16
Current	Selwood, Joel	1988-05-26	340	2007	2022	18.85	33.93
Current	Hawkins, Tom	1988-07-21	310	2007	2022	18.71	33.79
	Riccardi, Peter	1972-12-17	288	1992	2006	19.32	33.65
	Lonergan, Tom	1984-05-17	209	2005	2017	21.01	33.35
Current	Smith, Isaac	1988-12-30	32	2021	2022	32.22	33.35
	Scarlett, Matthew	1979-06-05	284	1998	2012	19.23	33.26
	Mackie, Andrew	1984-08-07	280	2004	2017	19.68	33.13
	Hocking, Garry	1968-10-08	274	1987	2001	18.51	32.9
	Couch, Paul	1964-07-19	259	1985	1997	20.77	32.81
	Bartel, Jimmy	1983-12-04	305	2002	2016	18.32	32.8
	Stoneham, Barry	1968-02-09	241	1986	2000	18.23	32.5
Current	Tuohy, Zach	1989-12-10	114	2017	2022	27.29	32.41
	Johnson, Steve	1983-07-04	253	2002	2015	18.83	32.17
	Jenkins, Josh	1989-02-08	2	2020	2021	31.58	32.11
Current	Dangerfield, Patrick	1990-04-05	137	2016	2022	25.98	32.09
	Podsiadly, James	1981-09-10	83	2010	2013	28.58	32.03
	Wojcinski, David	1980-09-18	203	1999	2012	18.58	31.9
	Mooney, Cameron	1979-09-26	210	2000	2011	20.76	31.88
	Chapman, Paul	1981-11-05	251	2000	2013	18.56	31.85
	Henderson, Lachie	1989-12-14	89	2016	2021	26.29	31.74
	Ottens, Brad	1980-01-25	116	2005	2011	25.17	31.68
	Kelly, James	1983-12-29	273	2002	2015	18.34	31.68
	Corey, Joel	1982-02-17	276	2000	2013	18.37	31.59
	Sanderson, Brenton	1974-02-27	199	1995	2005	21.09	31.53
	Hunt, Josh	1982-03-14	198	2001	2013	19.18	31.52
	McGrath, Tim	1970-10-07	219	1992	2002	21.45	31.5
Current	Stanley, Rhys	1990-12-01	112	2015	2022	24.36	31.41
	Harley, Tom	1978-07-18	197	1999	2009	20.96	31.19
Current	Blicavs, Mark	1991-03-28	211	2013	2022	22.01	31.11
	Pickering, Liam	1968-09-09	102	1993	1999	24.59	30.93
Current	Duncan, Mitch	1991-06-10	243	2010	2022	18.79	30.91
	Graham, Ben	1973-11-02	219	1993	2004	19.8	30.88
	Rivers, Jared	1984-10-18	44	2013	2015	28.45	30.82
	Stokes, Mathew	1984-11-22	189	2006	2015	21.51	30.79
	Ling, Cameron	1981-02-27	246	2000	2011	19.21	30.59
	Steven, Jack	1990-03-28	9	2020	2020	30.23	30.48
	Brownless, Bill	1967-01-28	198	1986	1997	19.16	30.43
Current	Rohan, Gary	1991-06-07	59	2019	2021	27.79	30.26
	Barnes, John	1969-06-01	144	1992	1999	22.8	30.15
	Stephenson, Orren	1982-07-15	8	2012	2012	29.71	30.07
	White, Mitchell	1973-03-28	23	2001	2003	28.01	30.04
	McIntosh, Hamish	1984-09-04	19	2014	2014	29.54	30
	Kilpatrick, Glenn	1972-08-29	120	1996	2002	23.66	29.97
	Crameri, Stewart	1988-08-10	4	2018	2018	29.73	29.79
	Sholl, Brad	1972-11-10	169	1995	2002	22.39	29.75
Current	Guthrie, Cameron	1992-08-19	213	2011	2022	18.6	29.71
Current	Dahlhaus, Luke	1992-08-21	68	2019	2022	26.58	29.69
	Mensch, David	1972-08-14	158	1992	2002	19.64	29.66
	Hall, Derek	1970-11-29	74	1995	2000	24.39	29.59
Current	Menegola, Sam	1992-03-07	109	2016	2021	24.38	29.51
	Burns, Ronnie	1973-03-13	134	1996	2002	23.04	29.47
	Smith, Zac	1990-02-22	50	2016	2019	26.1	29.44
	Selwood, Scott	1990-03-27	34	2016	2019	26.36	29.35
Current	Stewart, Tom	1993-03-15	113	2017	2022	24.03	29.15
Current	Cameron, Jeremy	1993-04-01	23	2021	2022	28.06	29.1

 

[Drunkcat]

So David King thinks Scott wants GWS to call him and if he don't win the flag this year he is off to GWS

 

[standupand]

So David King thinks Scott wants GWS to call him and if he don't win the flag this year he is off to GWS

He may be right, but I can't imagine GWS would be willing to wait until the end of the season to lock in their senior coach? I also recall David King predicting in 2011 that Brad Scott would win a premiership with North before Chris Scott would with us, so somehow I doubt he has his finger on the pulse.

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

So David King thinks Scott wants GWS to call him and if he don't win the flag this year he is off to GWS

Talk about baseless speculation. How does David King have a job? I guess they have to fill the 24hr news cycle but jeez listening to his hot takes is painful

 

[catempire]

Please note: this is not anything against Scott. Just a genuine question that has come to my mind.

Why does Scott find it so hard to retire players like Dahl, Higgins and Rohan when in the past he has let players like Chapman, Kelly, Stokes retire (then go to Essendon.) Ottens, Scarlett. Why does he find it so hard now?

Higgins is a lot more cooked then what Scarlett was in 2012.

They likely will be retired at the end of their current contracts.

 

[someday-somehow]

He may be right, but I can't imagine GWS would be willing to wait until the end of the season to lock in their senior coach? I also recall David King predicting in 2011 that Brad Scott would win a premiership with North before Chris Scott would with us, so somehow I doubt he has his finger on the pulse.

There's only one place David King has his finger and I'm not sure he'll find a pulse there.

 

[standupand]

There's only one place David King has his finger and I'm not sure he'll find a pulse there.

Yikes.. That's an image. I'd suggest he pull it out, but if there's no pulse...

 

[Turbocat]

Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

46

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

is messing with some in the media's brains without breaking a sweat.

First it was a secret message that he had told the players...the secrets of the universe..and not to pass it on to anyone outside their group. A lip reader put pay to it being anything more than standard coach speak. Now becuase he talked up. Western Sydney talent ... ( I see no reason they are called great).. he cleverly predicted a future event , of their coach resigning , and it was just a coincidence that he used the same term .. "The only objective measure of talent is draft position".. three weeks ago in a presser.

Imo , it has little to do with complimenting Giants talent ratehr he is drawing attention to the fact that .. the objective measure of talent at the draft is somewhat opaque and that Geelong has talent on its list even though its not recognised by draft pick number. I suspect its really talking to the players, telling them that they are good enough . In a way its not much different to all thios years ago when Geelong and Stk had what was deemed a disparity of talent because Stk had a lot more early picks than Geelong.

Id agree Scott would and should be someone that WS ask about and perhaps even throw a big line in the water for. One could make just the same observation for GC. They would die for the type of consistent outcome we have endured in the last 11 years.

Its an interesting thought. Just who would Geelong go for if he departed. We should have a plan for it. Going by what happened with Thompson.. we would probably go outside the club. It would probably depend on just how much of a rebuild would be required. IN the way of these things... pretty soon coaching jobs will probably be filled by Melb assistants. Perhaps Yze.

 

[Sky]

Ben Graham 1973.. I’m so young that I only remember him from playing AFL on PS2 and the guys nearly 50. I’m half of that now. I’m getting old damn.

 

[Cataholic]

Chris Scott is messing with some in the media's brains without breaking a sweat.

First it was a secret message that he had told the players...the secrets of the universe..and not to pass it on to anyone outside their group. A lip reader put pay to it being anything more than standard coach speak. Now becuase he talked up. Western Sydney talent ... ( I see no reason they are called great).. he cleverly predicted a future event , of their coach resigning , and it was just a coincidence that he used the same term .. "The only objective measure of talent is draft position".. three weeks ago in a presser.

Imo , it has little to do with complimenting Giants talent ratehr he is drawing attention to the fact that .. the objective measure of talent at the draft is somewhat opaque and that Geelong has talent on its list even though its not recognised by draft pick number. I suspect its really talking to the players, telling them that they are good enough . In a way its not much different to all thios years ago when Geelong and Stk had what was deemed a disparity of talent because Stk had a lot more early picks than Geelong.

Id agree Scott would and should be someone that WS ask about and perhaps even throw a big line in the water for. One could make just the same observation for GC. They would die for the type of consistent outcome we have endured in the last 11 years.

Its an interesting thought. Just who would Geelong go for if he departed. We should have a plan for it. Going by what happened with Thompson.. we would probably go outside the club. It would probably depend on just how much of a rebuild would be required. IN the way of these things... pretty soon coaching jobs will probably be filled by Melb assistants. Perhaps Yze.

I just hope the players are capable of deciphering it......

 

[Turbocat]

I just hope the players are capable of deciphering it......

Remembering it would be a start. On the ground after the game, telling them all the positive stuff..and some players had no idea waht he said. I suspect Knevitt would have known.

 

[Partridge]

Its an interesting thought. Just who would Geelong go for if he departed. We should have a plan for it. Going by what happened with Thompson.. we would probably go outside the club. It would probably depend on just how much of a rebuild would be required. IN the way of these things... pretty soon coaching jobs will probably be filled by Melb assistants. Perhaps Yze.

Nothing surer than it will be assistants who were players in premiership teams. Has always been like that.

Ex-Hawthorn players from the 1980s. Ex-Brisbane players from the early 2000s. Ex-Geelong players from 2007-2011. Ex-Hawthorn players will start filling the ranks. And Ex-Richmond will be next (we've already got Shaun Grigg).

Interestingly, Geelong haven't had an ex-player as coach since John Devine.

 

[AM]

So David King thinks Scott wants GWS to call him and if he don't win the flag this year he is off to GWS

King is just looking for clicks. He's becoming a sporting shock jock à la Cornes.

If he'd taken the time to listen to Scott's other pressers he'd have known CS pumps-up opposition clubs all the time.

Only a week or so ago CS pumped-up Freo. In King's world that might mean that because CS has previous associations with that club should Longmuir sour he's a candidate for that job. Give me a break.

The way these things work is that if CS was at all interested the contact would be via his manager quitely giving an indication not overtly. Anyhoo, he's contracted for two more years. The GWS appointment will be made well before the season finishes and you can bet there'll be no expense spared in luring Clarko. Including ambassador roles funded by Gil. And they have the drop on other clubs which is why you'd think they chopped Cameron now.

 

[Micksy]

Is it time for my fortnighly drive-by potshot?

 

[David the Cat]

Is it time for my fortnighly drive-by potshot?

Not really.

 

[Partridge]

Is it time for my fortnighly drive-by potshot?

Suspect the frequency might start increasing depending on selection.

 

[you pick one]

Is it time for my fortnighly drive-by potshot?

Sing along.