Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

Do you support Scott coaching from 2020 onwards?


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geelong_crazy26

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Not sure they are bigger coaching blunders than Chapman as the sub, Menzel out for Zuthrie, and Rucking Blicavs instead of Stanley.

08 GF we kicked poorly - it cost us, wasn’t necessarily a massive coaching error. 2010 Collingwood were the best side, they deserved that flag.
I will also just add to that in a separate post. We were only 24 points down with 40 minutes left of play.

We were a country mile better team then hawthorn in 08. So why with 40 minutes left of play couldn’t we lift the gears and do what Richmond did to us and many other better teams do when the chips are down??

We didn’t bridge the gap at all.

We just were outcoached
 

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Ray Donovan

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Name 8 rucks who are better. Bar the top 3 most of the afl’s rucks are average. He is no worse than most of the rucks in the afl.

He’s not grundy, gawn or goldy though. He’s better than soldo or nank. But richmond didn’t need a star ruck cause their coach isn’t stupid enough to drop his rucks and play a defender instead.
I get what you are saying he is no worse than a few on his best days problem is he consistency is shite.

And his overall performance over 2019 is in the bottom third. That's by no means saying I think he had a bad year or his last two seasons have been poor actually career best. But if you throw that up against the league and then compared players careers around the same age you get the picture. Sandiland, Jacobs, Mumfords of the world at that peak age of 28 were in the top 3rd. Only one I threw in you could take out of 2019 is natanui injuries probably ended his career as being top tier but his best and body of work is superior. If you looked at 2019 minus nat he ranks around 12th pretty similar to Rory Lobb who is a makeshift ruckman like Stanley. He ranks outside the top 15 in hitouts as well so it's more competitiveness and athleticism that Geelong value him for.

Even the nank example you can't say he is better nanks previous two seasons prior to injuries in 2019 were far superior to Stanley in effect on the team and stats wise.

But I understand your point which is you don't really go to a game worrying about these mid-tier ruckman because generally the effect on game is minimal. His best days are not much worse but the work over the whole season is not very impressive in comparison to the league. A real shame Geelong never had a strong ruck type whilst we had a super strong midfield to feed danger & selwood.

It's a real issue for concern for the cats going forward. Josh Jenkins will help a bit in some regards it's a shame though because I really like esava running on ball as backup ruck.


2019 rankings

Gawn
Grundy
(Natanui )
Goldstein
R.Marshall

S.Lycett
J.Witts
R.Obrien
S.Martin
B.Mcevoy
M.Kruezer

R.Lobb
R.Stanley
T.Nankervis
C.Sinclair

T.English

Veterans

A.Sandilands
S.Mumford
S.Jacobs
 

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I get what you are saying he is no worse than a few on his best days problem is he consistency is shite.

And his overall performance over 2019 is in the bottom third. That's by no means saying I think he had a bad year or his last two seasons have been poor actually career best. But if you throw that up against the league and then compared players careers around the same age you get the picture. Sandiland, Jacobs, Mumfords of the world at that peak age of 28 were in the top 3rd. Only one I threw in you could take out of 2019 is natanui injuries probably ended his career as being top tier but his best and body of work is superior. If you looked at 2019 minus nat he ranks around 12th pretty similar to Rory Lobb who is a makeshift ruckman like Stanley. He ranks outside the top 15 in hitouts as well so it's more competitiveness and athleticism that Geelong value him for.

Even the nank example you can't say he is better nanks previous two seasons prior to injuries in 2019 were far superior to Stanley in effect on the team and stats wise.

But I understand your point which is you don't really go to a game worrying about these mid-tier ruckman because generally the effect on game is minimal. His best days are not much worse but the work over the whole season is not very impressive in comparison to the league. A real shame Geelong never had a strong ruck type whilst we had a super strong midfield to feed danger & selwood.

It's a real issue for concern for the cats going forward. Josh Jenkins will help a bit in some regards it's a shame though because I really like esava running on ball as backup ruck.


2019 rankings

Gawn
Grundy
(Natanui )
Goldstein
R.Marshall

S.Lycett
J.Witts
R.Obrien
S.Martin
B.Mcevoy
M.Kruezer

R.Lobb
R.Stanley
T.Nankervis
C.Sinclair

T.English

Veterans

A.Sandilands
S.Mumford
S.Jacobs
Agree with you regarding consistency. His best is good enough. Just doesn't do it often enough and has some stinkers.
 

Partridge

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Agree with you regarding consistency. His best is good enough. Just doesn't do it often enough and has some stinkers.
True. But the strange thing is he does perform well against the top ruckmen.

For instance - Round 1 versus Collingwood (and Grundy) - he had 18 disposals and 23 hitouts, versus Grundy who had 18 disposals and 34 hitouts. That's not embarrassing by any stretch of the imagination. And we won.

So the notion that anyone knows that he wouldn't have been able to even match Grundy is demonstrably wrong.
 

Partridge

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Not sure they are bigger coaching blunders than Chapman as the sub, Menzel out for Zuthrie, and Rucking Blicavs instead of Stanley.

08 GF we kicked poorly - it cost us, wasn’t necessarily a massive coaching error. 2010 Collingwood were the best side, they deserved that flag.
Yes the fact that Collingwood had beaten us easily late in that season before the finals seems to be conveniently overlooked.

Thompson's main coaching blunder that I can recall was having Stokes on Hodge in 2008. The difference is - and where he was way, way, way different to Scott - he learned from it. Never did it again. We never lost to Hawthorn again under him either.

Whereas with Scott, we have these examples:

- 2013 Qualifying Final. Drop our best ruckman, play Blicavs against top quality opposition, he gets smashed, we lose narrowly to a lower ranked team.
- 2019 Qualifying Final. Drop our best ruckman, play Blicavs against top quality opposition, he gets smashed, we lose narrowly to a lower ranked team.

Six years and he's learned nothing.
 

winty

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Yes the fact that Collingwood had beaten us easily late in that season before the finals seems to be conveniently overlooked.
I often wonder how that abysmal goal umpiring decision in the 3rd term of that game when the umpire ruled a clear goal as a rushed behind affected our players. At the time, we'd come from the clouds, having kicked 7 of the last 8 goals to come from 28 points down to a goal in front, and if judged correctly we'd have been 2 goals up with all the momentum.
 

Spazz Cat

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I often wonder how that abysmal goal umpiring decision in the 3rd term of that game when the umpire ruled a clear goal as a rushed behind affected our players. At the time, we'd come from the clouds, having kicked 7 of the last 8 goals to come from 28 points down to a goal in front, and if judged correctly we'd have been 2 goals up with all the momentum.
Yeah Shagga Burns. Was a clear goal and changed the momentum somewhat.
Still reckon the Pies were the best team that year though.
 

Mr Meow

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Clarkson came up with a game plan that was designed to beat our ball movement and it succeeded. Thompson had no answer for it come the big dance. He failed us big time in 08. The gap between us and hawthorn that year was the size of the Grand Canyon. Yet we lost by four goals.

Officially the worst choke in a finals. Should have never happened.

Collingwood clearly weren’t the better side, a severely weakened geelong outfit in 2011 against that same collingwood side beat them 3/3 times under Scott. We were clearly a better team with just a poor gameplan under Thompson.

Thompson actually asked the players at the end of 2009 if they wanted to change the game plan and the players said no.

What sort of coach has to ask his players if they feel like changing a game plan?? Do you think clarkson gets permission??

He cost us 2008 and also 2010 imo. 2010 is proven by 2011, and 2008 just speaks for itself as quite embarrassing.

I have no doubt Scott would have won us 4-5 flags if he had that group
Even with the hiccups, Bombers legacy will be that drought breaking side that was one of the best in the club's history. 2011 of course Scott deserves credit but so does Bomber for assembling a flag capable squad of champions.

Scott's legacy, rightly or wrongly will be as a coach of great home and away sides that couldn't get to grand finals. His first year was fantastic and the rest as a whole have been unsatisfying. To all but a few hardcore fans. Even the year on year fence sitters would agree with this by now.

If Scott wins another flag it will mean a lot more to him than 2011 and be rated higher by everyone in the footy industry. If you don't understand why then you're simply blinded.
 

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