Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

  • Yes

    Votes: 79 79.0%
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We've had an injury depleted season - at one point only BRIS had a longer injury list.

The draw has been recognised by all as the toughest. It has been a prick of a draw, and thankfully will be a bit easier next season.

We've also seen the transition click up a gear, so are now asking more from younger and less experienced players.

These are the main reasons we are a 'middle of the ladder' team this, not Scott's coaching performance.

Given the above, if we finish the year with 12 wins that will be a pass mark. Anyone expecting more is living in Nadia. Let these naysayers enjoy their turkish delight and long winter.
 

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Watching nth and Adelaide play like they are trying to make finals these past couple of weeks has made me realise how pathetic our club is at the moment. We show no care or interest for big games. Havnt for three years. Whether that's Scott fault or not doesn't matter. Things need to change. The club needs a massive review as it did in 2006. We are simply pathetic at the moment. A laughing stock of the competition.
The main thing I've been saying all along is that Scott hasn't adapted to the new trends and tactics of footy since 2011. He is just trying to give us exactly the same structure as we had then - he's obsessed with a tall forward line when all the top teams have mid/small forward lines that are dynamic fast and put huge amounts of forward line pressure on. He's also obsessed with a slow tall back line when again all the top teams have fast athletic rebounding defences and he hasn't got us a single decent ruckman in 3 years. Our performance against StKilda was absolutely dismal especially considering they had Armitage and Dempster out, it was just another case of Scott being outcoached which is becoming too regular an occurrence in big important games. It doesn't matter who we get in the trade period we'll never get close to having the ultimate success again until we wake up to ourselves as a club and get a new direction and new coach.
 

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No point beating Sydney if you can't beat Melbourne and the Saints. I have to believe even the most hardened Scott supporter must have at least a little doubt now about his ability to get the team up for games where everything is on the line. Geelong haven't played hard, ruthless football like there's no tomorrow on a consistent basis for a looong time. It's cost us numerous first finals and now we're not even going to make it and to be honest I think we'd just be shown up for the pretenders we are in the first week anyway.
Actually I think we've been pretty tenacious this year without ball in hand.

I reckon the biggest problem for us is with the ball. Our ball use and methods have been poor.
 
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Actually I think we've been pretty tenacious this year without ball in hand.

I reckon the biggest problem for us is with the ball. Our ball use and methods have been poor.
Agree with this. Pressure excellent, ball use generally very good (1st or 2nd in league for DE%) but systems for winning and moving the ball letting us down given personnel we have (and don't have) at our disposal.

Mid-table finish reflects quality of the list more than anything.
 

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Agree with this. Pressure excellent, ball use generally very good (1st or 2nd in league for DE%) but systems for winning and moving the ball letting us down given personnel we have (and don't have) at our disposal.

Mid-table finish reflects quality of the list more than anything.
This season has smacked of 'average' (in the true sense of the word) all season to me.

We have sat about 9th all year (average).

Our percentage has been about 100% all year (average).

On every metric and KPI I've seen we sit about average.

Even Saturday night's result, was bang on, well, average.
 

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This season has smacked of 'average' (in the true sense of the word) all season to me.

We have sat about 9th all year (average).

Our percentage has been about 100% all year (average).

On every metric and KPI I've seen we sit about average.

Even Saturday night's result, was bang on, well, average.
Good wins vs Sydney and Port evened out by dropped points to Melbourne and St Kilda too.
 

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I'm really over how dumb some posters can be.
The club has been nothing short of amazing staying up as long as they have, they have defied history over and over again and AGAIN, after a season where we have fielded our youngest most inexperienced 22 for many years STILL look to play finals.
Since 2011 we have lost some of our all time greatest players, suffered many many injuries to what would have been key players (Menzel, Cowen, Vardy, Motlop, Bundy, Simpson etc) and while managing the transition have continued to win an amazing amount of games each year and if for some luck could have even snared a flag or 2.
We continue to develop young kids, kids who show some serious potential, and rely less and less on our aging greats.
The wider AFL community laud the Cats and how we have managed the list and said transition.
Yet now due to many different factors, none less being the continual aging of our veterans and perennial injuries to key players at bad times, we are now a 6th-9th team while we build towards our next Premiership.
What the hell do some of you expect? That anything other than a Flag means Scott is shit and can't coach?
We do not have the cattle on the ground to play the way some illogically expect them to, we are at that stage where we will upset some teams above us and lose to some below us, that at times we will look awful and at times look amazing. We still have holes in the team, we desperately need to get games into some of our younger blokes.
Yet when we perform AS WE SHOULD, some of you want to blame a single bloke? A bloke who the entire playing list rate as a very very good coach and absolutely the best man for the job? That one of the best run clubs in the land STILL continue to support completely? The bloke who is steering the transition better than anyone could have imagined?
But we drop one ******* game and everyone wants him sacked..
When did we become Carlton?
 

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Yet when we perform AS WE SHOULD, some of you want to blame a single bloke? A bloke who the entire playing list rate as a very very good coach and absolutely the best man for the job? That one of the best run clubs in the land STILL continue to support completely? The bloke who is steering the transition better than anyone could have imagined?
But we drop one ******* game and everyone wants him sacked..
Whether the transition is being steered better than anyone could imagine would be up for dispute I'd say. No matter how good a job he's doing, the facts are our results have gotten progressively worse over the last 3 seasons. It isn't all due to injuries either.

I'd also argue that those who want him sacked are a long, long way from everyone too.
 

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No matter how good a job he's doing, the facts are our results have gotten progressively worse over the last 3 seasons. It isn't all due to injuries either.
Correct. I believe its called a "rebuild."

Nobody can say with any certainty whether he is doing a good, or a poor job. He is just doing a "job."

Personally, I will not be calling for his head any time soon. Just go with the flow and enjoy it, folks. Time will tell how Scott is going with the rebuild, but it cannot be judged now. It surely could not even start to be judged for another 12-24 months. By then he will either be a) parting ways with the club or b) getting ready for a finals push.

It may not be the rebuild everyone wants - it may not get us another flag.. Personally I have a suspicion that this rebuild will end up not as good as the Thompson rebuild, but much better than the Ayres rebuild. But I still think Scott is doing a pretty decent job at the moment. Who knows what next year will bring? This year might only be the start of a further drop down the ladder, or we might fight for the 8 again, pump more games into the kids, and then push up again in 2017-2020.

As SJ said above... its been an average year. Maybe some expected it. I thought we'd comfortably still finish 4th-6th, and I am happy to admit on reflection we were never going to finish that high. Yes, I am disappointed we may not make finals, and whilst its been 'average' I wouldnt say its been a nightmare season.
 

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Even Saturday night's result, was bang on, well, average.
I don't think you can call our loss to St Kilda, when they had nothing to play for and were without their best mid Armitage and Dempster who's prob in their top 5 best players, an 'average' loss/performance, same with the Melbourne loss. For me we've happily and contentedly floated between extremely poor, poor, and average this season. All the while with our coach just drifting in and out of press conferences showing little passion and constant reticence despite our often dismal performances. We've played about 5 weeks of committed high intensity footy this season and it seems like nobody is accountable for the rest of it. I think we as members at least deserve a detailed review of the football department come the end of the year whether we scrape in to finals or not. The members need an explanation for the constant recruiting of long term injury prone players, a clear direction and understanding on whether we're going to play youth or preserve the fading careers of our once great veterans, some semblance of what accountability looks like for poor performances, and a clearer understanding of what our general game plan/playing philosophy is ie. attacking, defensive, counter attacking etc. As well as an understanding of what type of future team we're trying to build, is it a tall strong power based key position oriented team? Or fast dynamic flexible team? We seem directionless as a club at the moment pinning our hopes on one trade period while ignoring obvious and important issues that are the foundations of what a strong team that has a discernible plan for the future builds itself on.
 

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I don't think you can call our loss to St Kilda, when they had nothing to play for and were without their best mid Armitage and Dempster who's prob in their top 5 best players, an 'average' loss/performance, same with the Melbourne loss. For me we've happily and contentedly floated between extremely poor, poor, and average this season. All the while with our coach just drifting in and out of press conferences showing little passion and constant reticence despite our often dismal performances. We've played about 5 weeks of committed high intensity footy this season and it seems like nobody is accountable for the rest of it. I think we as members at least deserve a detailed review of the football department come the end of the year whether we scrape in to finals or not. The members need an explanation for the constant recruiting of long term injury prone players, a clear direction and understanding on whether we're going to play youth or preserve the fading careers of our once great veterans, some semblance of what accountability looks like for poor performances, and a clearer understanding of what our general game plan/playing philosophy is ie. attacking, defensive, counter attacking etc. As well as an understanding of what type of future team we're trying to build, is it a tall strong power based key position oriented team? Or fast dynamic flexible team? We seem directionless as a club at the moment pinning our hopes on one trade period while ignoring obvious and important issues that are the foundations of what a strong team that has a discernible plan for the future builds itself on.
'Average' based on the margin (0) rather than the expectations and performance.
 

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Watching nth and Adelaide play like they are trying to make finals these past couple of weeks has made me realise how pathetic our club is at the moment. We show no care or interest for big games. Havnt for three years. Whether that's Scott fault or not doesn't matter. Things need to change. The club needs a massive review as it did in 2006. We are simply pathetic at the moment. A laughing stock of the competition.
That is a blatant exaggeration of the state of the current Geelong team.
Geelong are an ordinary team at the moment (pretty much where I expected us to be. Maybe a little lower due to injury, but around the mark). But to suggest that they are "pathetic" and a "laughing stock of the competition" is way over the top.

We show no care or interest for big games.
The disappointment on the players faces after the siren would indicate to me that they do care and are interested. They just are just simply not good enough.
 

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Whether the transition is being steered better than anyone could imagine would be up for dispute I'd say. No matter how good a job he's doing, the facts are our results have gotten progressively worse over the last 3 seasons. It isn't all due to injuries either.

I'd also argue that those who want him sacked are a long, long way from everyone too.
If we get Selwood, Danger, and Henderson and fail to make the 8 next year could anyone honestly defend Scott then? I think he'll be a dead man walking should such a scenario arise.
 

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Agree with this. Pressure excellent, ball use generally very good (1st or 2nd in league for DE%) but systems for winning and moving the ball letting us down given personnel we have (and don't have) at our disposal.

Mid-table finish reflects quality of the list more than anything.
Bang on.
 

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If we get Selwood, Danger, and Henderson and fail to make the 8 next year could anyone honestly defend Scott then? I think he'll be a dead man walking should such a scenario arise.
That would depend on who goes out the door at the same time.
If we gain Selwood and Danger and lose Motlop I really don't think that we will have gained much at all.
 

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We are simply pathetic at the moment. A laughing stock of the competition.
That's madness. We're ninth in the middle of a list transition, with a positive win/loss differential and a positive percentage, hardly "pathetic" or "laughing stock" territory. We barrack for a club that hasn't finished in the bottom quadrant of the ladder since the mid-1970s and it shows.

Essendon appointing a club legend with zero coaching experience and finding out it was a terrible idea. Carlton having a wonderful forward line who are all playing at other clubs. Brisbane's recruitment team being paged for their U/18 player observation notes by 17 other teams for the inevitable departure of said player after a few seasons. Gold Coast only getting their noses in front when there's a line of coke on display. Richmond so addicted to finishing ninth that the one year they finished fifth, they were bundled out by the team that finished ninth. *That's* what a laughing stock of the competition looks like.
 

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This season has smacked of 'average' (in the true sense of the word) all season to me.

We have sat about 9th all year (average).

Our percentage has been about 100% all year (average).

On every metric and KPI I've seen we sit about average.

Even Saturday night's result, was bang on, well, average.
this is an above average post
 

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Agree with this. Pressure excellent, ball use generally very good (1st or 2nd in league for DE%) but systems for winning and moving the ball letting us down given personnel we have (and don't have) at our disposal.

Mid-table finish reflects quality of the list more than anything.
Disposal efficiency % means basically nothing.

I would have Geelong at a mid-table team for ball movement.

We've done a lot of chipping and handpassing sideways (100% DE) for no metres gained or damage done.
 
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Disposal efficiency % means basically nothing.

I would have Geelong at a mid-table team for ball movement.

We've done a lot of chipping and handpassing sideways (100% DE) for no metres gained or damage done.
I don't agree it means nothing, but it doesn't tell the full story. It is in part high because we are not taking risks moving the ball which means we are taking safe options which are easy to execute. But at the same time, we have a lot of good users of the ball (even though this goes uncredited a lot of the time) which is also a factor in the ranking.
 

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If we get Selwood, Danger, and Henderson and fail to make the 8 next year could anyone honestly defend Scott then? I think he'll be a dead man walking should such a scenario arise.
if that happens then we blame either

fitness staff
hard fixture
injuries
rebuild
young side
heavy training load ;0
 

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That would depend on who goes out the door at the same time.
If we gain Selwood and Danger and lose Motlop I really don't think that we will have gained much at all.
I think it depends on who in the team is doing the driving by that stage. If we get to halfway through next year and Bartel, Mackie, Lonners, SJ &etc. have been whacked on the head by Father Time, then that's also a mitigating factor.
 

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I think it depends on who in the team is doing the driving by that stage. If we get to halfway through next year and Bartel, Mackie, Lonners, SJ &etc. have been whacked on the head by Father Time, then that's also a mitigating factor.
I hope Bartel isn't playing next year otherwise for mine that'd be an indicator that we're in serious trouble anyway.
 

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I don't agree it means nothing, but it doesn't tell the full story. It is in part high because we are not taking risks moving the ball which means we are taking safe options which are easy to execute. But at the same time, we have a lot of good users of the ball (even though this goes uncredited a lot of the time) which is also a factor in the ranking.
Okay put it this way: if you want to maximise your disposal efficiency, you can reduce your chances of playing good footy.
 
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