Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

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We presumably would have been paying over $4 to beat Sydney that night. We were not outworked. We were just beaten by more experienced and more ready team in hostile territory. None of which was present in the games that I mentioned. We were paying $1.40 against Collingwood; $1.22 against St Kilda and $1.14 against Melbourne. By average games played, Sydney was also over 30 games more experienced than Geelong in the 2005 Semi Final. Compare that to Melbourne and St Kilda (whom we were about 20 games' more experienced than per player) and Collingwood (over 35 games' more experienced, on average).
Do you really not get it. or are you just looking for an excuse to whine?
 

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his present record reads something like this . . .

2011 = Premiership
2012 = 6th & early exit losing to Fremantle
2013 = 2nd & 1 win out of 3 finals
2014 = 3rd & straight sets exit
2015 = Misses finals
2016 = ???

I think you may need to readjust your perspective on the current job he's doing (based on present record).
Last time I looked his win/loss record was the best in the AFL. So stats can be used to support either side of the question.

The real issue is the position the club is in in terms of it's playing personnel and it's place in the flag 'window'. We are in transition and our on- field success or otherwise is dependent just as much on what Wells produces and the input of other coaches as it does on CS. It's simplistic to just blame him. To be candid too many here overrate our list.
 

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We presumably would have been paying over $4 to beat Sydney that night. We were not outworked. We were just beaten by more experienced and more ready team in hostile territory. None of which was present in the games that I mentioned. We were paying $1.40 against Collingwood; $1.22 against St Kilda and $1.14 against Melbourne. By average games played, Sydney was also over 30 games more experienced than Geelong in the 2005 Semi Final. Compare that to Melbourne and St Kilda (whom we were about 20 games' more experienced than per player) and Collingwood (over 35 games' more experienced, on average).
That doesn't give an accurate picture at all .We had a large number of 30 + year old players who are just about finished playing in those games which obviously boosts our overall experience level .

Geelong currently has very few players in the prime of their careers and we have key payers out injured.

Had Duncan, Caddy, Stanley and Clark played in all those games we would of won .
 

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Our season this year has been like 2006. Where is the review and talks of major changes and question marks regarding the coach? We have become too complacent and accepting of mediocrity. Seriously fear with the direction we are heading. Won't be surprised if Scott leaves with a legacy much better than Gary Ayers even with a flag.
CS is aware of your concerns and has been warning us all year how difficult this period is, with the inevitable departures and continual playing of the kids.
I have no fear where he is taking us. It will not be an overnight resurrection. Seriously how impatient are you? We've barely started the rebuild in earnest.
 
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CS is aware of your concerns and has been warning us all year how difficult this period is, with the inevitable departures and continual playing of the kids.
I have no fear where he is taking us. It will not be an overnight resurrection. Seriously how impatient are you? We've barely started the rebuild in earnest.
We're in for a ride VD that's for sure and as like any ride there will be bumps along the way, I'm not wavering yet....
 

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This isn't about the foreseeable future; it's about 2015. Those teams had a much easier run with their fixture and we went 2-0 against them when we played. And they have to go back about five and ten years respectively to remember the last time they beat us. I don't think it's a controversial statement to say that I think we're just as good as they are and that I hardly think we should have been considering it a lost cause coming up against the might of the Bulldogs or Tigers at the MCG in September.
And if we were to play Tigers or Dogs now, you'd back us to win, we are that good?
Even Demons got us for the first time since Lonergan's injury at Geelong because they exploited our obvious weak areas.
 

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Do you really not get it. or are you just looking for an excuse to whine?
I'm pointing out the inconsistencies in the theory that a loss to the significantly more experienced eventual premiers in a final in 2005 can be compared to losses in 2015 to a couple of significantly less experienced cellar dwellers.

But feel free to keep fighting the good fight.
 

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And if we were to play Tigers or Dogs now, you'd back us to win, we are that good?
Yep. I'll believe that the Dogs game style will hold up at the MCG when I see it. I do not expect their intercept marks across half back and running in waves style to go well, because it will be much easier to isolate their defenders one-on-one and because it's easier to get lost on the wings at the MCG. Our second and third tier is much stronger than Richmond's and we generally do well against teams that have an unhealthy reliance on their top 6-8 players to get the job done week after week.

Even Demons got us for the first time since Lonergan's injury at Geelong because they exploited our obvious weak areas.
Mental toughness?
 

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CS is aware of your concerns and has been warning us all year how difficult this period is, with the inevitable departures and continual playing of the kids.
I have no fear where he is taking us. It will not be an overnight resurrection. Seriously how impatient are you? We've barely started the rebuild in earnest.
Haven't we? Six 2007 premiership players played for us on Friday night and I'd say at least two more of them will be gone by Round 1 next year. Nine holdovers remain from Mark Thompson's last team in 2010 (again, with 3-4 undoubtedly leaving at the end of the year). Even half of the 2011 premiership side is gone, with many more on the way out at the end of the year. We've been steadily losing club champions every year since Tom Harley decided to hang the boots up at the end of 2009 and if 'We've barely started the rebuild...' I'm not sure what conclusion can be drawn, other than we haven't brought enough quality in, over that time.
 

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That doesn't give an accurate picture at all .We had a large number of 30 + year old players who are just about finished playing in those games which obviously boosts our overall experience level .

Geelong currently has very few players in the prime of their careers and we have key payers out injured.

Had Duncan, Caddy, Stanley and Clark played in all those games we would of won .
Cool story. The median games played gives essentially the same result across each of those examples.

Any other theories?
 
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I'm pointing out the inconsistencies in the theory that a loss to the significantly more experienced eventual premiers in a final in 2005 can be compared to losses in 2015 to a couple of significantly less experienced cellar dwellers.

But feel free to keep fighting the good fight.
I certainly didn't make that comparison.

You're arguing the toss about some ultimately meaningless games.

It wouldn't have mattered who was coaching us this year. We were never going to be in serious contention for the flag. We finished the season in the top 4 last year, and we were no better chance of winning it then than we are now apart from the fact we were in the finals rather than not. We've been getting written off every year since 2008. Yet only now are we going to miss finals for the first time in a while. From what I see about the place, the only supporters who expect us to fall in a monstrous hole are our own. Unless you want to include haters and trolls of course.

Chris Scott has done a marvelous job turning over the list as far as I'm concerned, and there is no doubt in my mind if all goes to plan in this off season, we are going to be right there at the pointy end in 2016,
 

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Haven't we? Six 2007 premiership players played for us on Friday night and I'd say at least two more of them will be gone by Round 1 next year. Nine holdovers remain from Mark Thompson's last team in 2010 (again, with 3-4 undoubtedly leaving at the end of the year). Even half of the 2011 premiership side is gone, with many more on the way out at the end of the year. We've been steadily losing club champions every year since Tom Harley decided to hang the boots up at the end of 2009 and if 'We've barely started the rebuild...' I'm not sure what conclusion can be drawn, other than we haven't brought enough quality in, over that time.
Good points, and you've essentially hit the nail on the head- we have not and can not replace what we have lost, and will continue to lose.
 

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I certainly didn't make that comparison.
But you are arguing about a point I was making about the comparison. Well, actually, you weren't even doing that. You were just taking a potshot.

You're arguing the toss about some ultimately meaningless games.
Meaningless? I disagree. If, instead of two points from those games, we'd secured eight, we would still be in the hunt. If we'd won all three, we would be in the eight as we speak. And I regard making the eight as important. I'd also classify a Semi Final as somewhat important.

It wouldn't have mattered who was coaching us this year. We were never going to be in serious contention for the flag. We finished the season in the top 4 last year, and we were no better chance of winning it then than we are now apart from the fact we were in the finals rather than not. We've been getting written off every year since 2008. Yet only now are we going to miss finals for the first time in a while. From what I see about the place, the only supporters who expect us to fall in a monstrous hole are our own. Unless you want to include haters and trolls of course.
It's just rubbish, this 'we've been getting written off since 2008' narrative. We opened the 2009 season equal favourite with Hawthorn. We obviously were considered a massive chance in 2010. 'Writing us off' didn't happen until 2011, at the earliest. Even then, we were still fancied to be at least a top four contender.

Plus, I think any finals experience we can get is valuable. Big crowds, everything on the line, either at the MCG, or at an overwhelmingly hostile interstate environment, I can't think of much better experience to provide for our younger players. Even if we got done by ten goals in the Elimination Final, it's better than finishing ninth or tenth, in my opinion. And I don't think any of the teams that we might have faced in an Elimination Final would have beaten us by ten goals. Like I've said, I think we would have had a good chance of beating any of them.

Chris Scott has done a marvelous job turning over the list as far as I'm concerned, and there is no doubt in my mind if all goes to plan in this off season, we are going to be right there at the pointy end in 2016,
I hope so too. I just don't see why it was impossible to do that, while also playing a final or two this year.
 

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Yep. I'll believe that the Dogs game style will hold up at the MCG when I see it. I do not expect their intercept marks across half back and running in waves style to go well, because it will be much easier to isolate their defenders one-on-one and because it's easier to get lost on the wings at the MCG. Our second and third tier is much stronger than Richmond's and we generally do well against teams that have an unhealthy reliance on their top 6-8 players to get the job done week after week.



Mental toughness?
Ridiculous that coming from you?
Why did we beat Swans?
Our weakness is and has been all year - ruck strength, MF strength, clearances, depth.
No coincidence that when we had all of Selwood, Duncan , Caddy, Guthrie, Motlop firing and available, we had a series of wins.
That MF is still average compared to the top 8 teams, but at least is functional. What we had Fri pm was skeletal.
 

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But you are arguing about a point I was making about the comparison. Well, actually, you weren't even doing that. You were just taking a potshot.



Meaningless? I disagree. If, instead of two points from those games, we'd secured eight, we would still be in the hunt. If we'd won all three, we would be in the eight as we speak. And I regard making the eight as important. I'd also classify a Semi Final as somewhat important.



It's just rubbish, this 'we've been getting written off since 2008' narrative. We opened the 2009 season equal favourite with Hawthorn. We obviously were considered a massive chance in 2010. 'Writing us off' didn't happen until 2011, at the earliest. Even then, we were still fancied to be at least a top four contender.

Plus, I think any finals experience we can get is valuable. Big crowds, everything on the line, either at the MCG, or at an overwhelmingly hostile interstate environment, I can't think of much better experience to provide for our younger players. Even if we got done by ten goals in the Elimination Final, it's better than finishing ninth or tenth, in my opinion. And I don't think any of the teams that we might have faced in an Elimination Final would have beaten us by ten goals. Like I've said, I think we would have had a good chance of beating any of them.



I hope so too. I just don't see why it was impossible to do that, while also playing a final or two this year.
Because we are actually so far off the pace right now, in many areas. CS is guilty of getting us to play above our fighting weight for a few years now. Finally, we are spent, and the true list building starts . Holding onto, playing, and respecting our aged veteran champs has been an issue, and we don't have the middle tier of players to replace them just yet. And our kids are just tired.
 

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Ridiculous that coming from you?
Why did we beat Swans?
Our weakness is and has been all year - ruck strength, MF strength, clearances, depth.
No coincidence that when we had all of Selwood, Duncan , Caddy, Guthrie, Motlop firing and available, we had a series of wins.
That MF is still average compared to the top 8 teams, but at least is functional. What we had Fri pm was skeletal.
We beat the Swans because we came into the game with the right attitude. We lost the other games because it looked like we were shocked that the other team actually came out to play. We lost because Selwood loses the plot when his tagger gets physical with him. We lost because once we give up a lead these days, we don't recover.
 

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We beat the Swans because we came into the game with the right attitude. We lost the other games because it looked like we were shocked that the other team actually came out to play. We lost because Selwood loses the plot when his tagger gets physical with him. We lost because once we give up a lead these days, we don't recover.
CS knew the Pies would come out blazing, the players knew it, only the player who had the week off fired a shot, apart from the eternally fit Blicavs; we are physically spent for a variety of reasons. Selwood had zero backup.
 
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But you are arguing about a point I was making about the comparison. Well, actually, you weren't even doing that. You were just taking a potshot.



Meaningless? I disagree. If, instead of two points from those games, we'd secured eight, we would still be in the hunt. If we'd won all three, we would be in the eight as we speak. And I regard making the eight as important. I'd also classify a Semi Final as somewhat important.



It's just rubbish, this 'we've been getting written off since 2008' narrative. We opened the 2009 season equal favourite with Hawthorn. We obviously were considered a massive chance in 2010. 'Writing us off' didn't happen until 2011, at the earliest. Even then, we were still fancied to be at least a top four contender.

Plus, I think any finals experience we can get is valuable. Big crowds, everything on the line, either at the MCG, or at an overwhelmingly hostile interstate environment, I can't think of much better experience to provide for our younger players. Even if we got done by ten goals in the Elimination Final, it's better than finishing ninth or tenth, in my opinion. And I don't think any of the teams that we might have faced in an Elimination Final would have beaten us by ten goals. Like I've said, I think we would have had a good chance of beating any of them.



I hope so too. I just don't see why it was impossible to do that, while also playing a final or two this year.
Like most supporters who want to whinge like little bitches, you have a selective memory, and are picking and choosing what you want to believe to justify your right to be a whiny little bitch.

I can't be bothered going into too much depth with you, but I will say this. I seem to recall us being written off weeks out from the finals in 2009, and again in 2010. It's not hard to find the articles in the paper, and threads on here all but dancing on our graves.
 

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Because we are actually so far off the pace right now, in many areas.
So is every other team in the bottom half of the eight. None of them are a chance in September. I'd still prefer to be there than not.

CS is guilty of getting us to play above our fighting weight for a few years now.
How so? Where should we have finished in 2012? 2013? 2014? The facts don't support what you are suggesting. Why did we chase Rivers and McIntosh at the end of 2012? There is only one answer: because we thought they would help us win another premiership.

Finally, we are spent, and the true list building starts. Holding onto, playing, and respecting our aged veteran champs has been an issue, and we don't have the middle tier of players to replace them just yet. And our kids are just tired.
I sincerely hope the club isn't thinking this way. List building should have started when the retirements of premiership players started. I thought that was all part of the club's five year plan.
 

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Like most supporters who want to whinge like little bitches, you have a selective memory, and are picking and choosing what you want to believe to justify your right to be a whiny little bitch.
Well, yeah. But I'm not the one getting all abusive on an internet forum.

I can't be bothered going into too much depth with you, but I will say this. I seem to recall us being written off weeks out from the finals in 2009, and again in 2010. It's not hard to find the articles in the paper, and threads on here all but dancing on our graves.
That's nice. Did we plummet all the way to the third line of the betting for the flag? I doubt it. I would say if getting written off by some clown in the media that has a deadline to meet is the criteria, there won't be a 2015 premier. Everyone has been written off, at one point or another.
 
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