Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

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Cronin

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I don't know why its so bloody hard for people on this board to understand why Freo have had the better of us over the past few years .

Freo have a midfield with Sandialnds,Fyfe,Mundy and Barlow in it plus a good support crew .Their midfield is too good for ours .

I was also at that game over in the Brownlow stand and I never heard anyone in the crowd say the coaching staff thinks we will win on merit .Players changed positions more than 20 times a quarter like the do in every game. Unless you have access to footage from the top of the grandstand on replay than your not going to pick up any structural changes.

Perhaps you can tell me what influence Chapman had once he came onto the ground ?

You guys have got no idea how to run a successful club , go and talk to Frank Costa and Brian Cook and they will tell you how important stability is at a football club .All you guys want to do is destabilise the club and turn it into a club that nobody wants to work at . If you guys had your way we would become and second rate club.
Settle down mate, I wasn't generalising about Chris Scott's overall ability as a coach, I clearly stated that IMO he was out-coached by Ross Lyon in the 2013 Qualifying Final.

You argued that Fremantle had a superior midfield to us, yet in that game we still had premiership midfielders in Corey, Bartel, Kelly, Johnson, Selwood, Chapman, Stokes, Duncan as well as young players in Motlop, Caddy and Guthrie; Still pretty capable I think.

We were standing right behind the goals and trust me we saw everything that was happening or wasn't happening.

BTW Paul Chapman had 11 possessions and 5 tackles in a little over a quarter and the week after he was B.O.G against Port Adelaide so imagine if he had of played a full game....

I'm going to give you my honest appraisal of Chris Scott as a coach;
I think he did a great job getting the team up in 11' because I'm sure they would have been both physically and mentally drained during that offseason.
I think he needs to be more proactive as a game-day coach and stop playing players out of position.
Hopefully with these new inclusions, a healthy list and another preseason we will get a better indication of what our game plan is supposed to resemble.

Absolutely I think he can improve as a coach and I hope he becomes a multiple premiership winning one for this club, but i do not agree with your theory on him being flawless and not needing to accept any responsibility for our recent history.
 

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I have criticised our medical staff a number of times , but I don't see how they made a mistake with Hawkins in 2013.

He had a bulging disc that was not going to be fixed during the season no matter how much rest he was given .This means that there was always at risk of waking up and not been able to play a game of football no matter what was done .

Let simplify it .The problem with Hawkins is that he has a bulging disc and tight muscles around that disc .

bulging disc-cant be fixed during the season.
tight muscles- can be managed and helped with rest but they only require a few days of rest ,a lengthy period of rest is pointless.
One very simple question would have sufficed:

Is he 100% fit?

If the answer is no, he doesn't play. Whether it means he misses 1 game or 10 games. It's not difficult.
 

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One very simple question would have sufficed:

Is he 100% fit?

If the answer is no, he doesn't play. Whether it means he misses 1 game or 10 games. It's not difficult.
Another simple question Pear tree-did our ladder position flatter us in 2014? Were we a pretty ordinary team that year?
 
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Absolutely. I would trust them. I would listen to them. And after I bowed to their knowledge and our most important player was unavailable for a final - I would blame them.

If the coaching staff are incapable of blame (especially here), the medical staff certainly aren't. Whoever advised the coaches on Hawkins stuffed up.

And it wasn't in hindsight. His back was the subject of speculation all season long.
I'm not really disagreeing with you. Quite possibly the coaching staff could have used their eyes and been uber conservative, especially for that last round game. No doubt the medical staff would be most culpable for the outcome, they're entrusted to deal with medical matters and it didn't end well at all.

Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for those match committee/medical staff meetings. To see what the week-to-week advice was and what questions MC was asking.
 

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Another simple question Pear tree-did our ladder position flatter us in 2014? Were we a pretty ordinary team that year?
No, because you don't get there by accident. We were good enough to win the games we did. They certainly weren't ordinary, but the finals results showed that in September they were nowhere near Hawthorn, and unable to get past North.
 

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One very simple question would have sufficed:

Is he 100% fit?

If the answer is no, he doesn't play. Whether it means he misses 1 game or 10 games. It's not difficult.
If clubs only played players who were 100% fit they would never be able to field a side of 22 players , especially come finals time.

What would of been the point of giving Hawkins 10 weeks off if wasn't going to fix his back ?

No amount of games missed was going to fix his bulging disc.
 

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If clubs only played players who were 100% fit they would never be able to field a side of 22 players , especially come finals time.

What would of been the point of giving Hawkins 10 weeks off if wasn't going to fix his back ?

No amount of games missed was going to fix his bulging disc.
Yes Dr Crazy, you would know, wouldn't ya.
 

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I'm not really disagreeing with you. Quite possibly the coaching staff could have used their eyes and been uber conservative, especially for that last round game. No doubt the medical staff would be most culpable for the outcome, they're entrusted to deal with medical matters and it didn't end well at all.

Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for those match committee/medical staff meetings. To see what the week-to-week advice was and what questions MC was asking.
You know I think your a good poster , even if you don't think the same about me which doesn't bother me at all.

But how are you making a conclusion that the medical staff made a mistake with Hawkins ? Peter Larkins even supported their decision

Hawkins didn't just have tight muscles in his back , he had a bulging disc in his back .The bulging disc was never going to recover by the end of the season regardless of how many games he played .The only thing that could be done was to make sure the muscles around his back were as relaxed as possible .To achieve this he only required a few days off rest , not a whole week .

The problem is that as long as he had that bulging disc there was always a risk that he could wake up in a condition not being able to play which is unfortunately what happened the day of the QF.
 

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Yes Dr Crazy, you would know, wouldn't ya.
Well that's what the club medical staff thought and that's what DR peter Larking thought .

Larkins said resting Hawkins for a lengthy period was unnecessary, with the cons of missing football outweighing the pros.

"Rest takes away the inflammation and the pain but that often only takes a few days"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-20/cat-back-but-back-an-issue

So perhaps you can find me a quote from a medical expert who said back in 2013 that Hawkins should be rested ?
 

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Well that's what the club medical staff thought and that's what DR peter Larking thought .

Larkins said resting Hawkins for a lengthy period was unnecessary, with the cons of missing football outweighing the pros.

"Rest takes away the inflammation and the pain but that often only takes a few days"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-20/cat-back-but-back-an-issue

So perhaps you can find me a quote from a medical expert who said back in 2013 that Hawkins should be rested ?
I don't need to, the fact he didn't play in the QF is enough proof that someone f4cked up, the rest may not have fixed it but to play him and to further aggravate it wasn't the smartest thing to do.
 

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Settle down mate, I wasn't generalising about Chris Scott's overall ability as a coach, I clearly stated that IMO he was out-coached by Ross Lyon in the 2013 Qualifying Final.

You argued that Fremantle had a superior midfield to us, yet in that game we still had premiership midfielders in Corey, Bartel, Kelly, Johnson, Selwood, Chapman, Stokes, Duncan as well as young players in Motlop, Caddy and Guthrie; Still pretty capable I think.

We were standing right behind the goals and trust me we saw everything that was happening or wasn't happening.

BTW Paul Chapman had 11 possessions and 5 tackles in a little over a quarter and the week after he was B.O.G against Port Adelaide so imagine if he had of played a full game....

I'm going to give you my honest appraisal of Chris Scott as a coach;
I think he did a great job getting the team up in 11' because I'm sure they would have been both physically and mentally drained during that offseason.
I think he needs to be more proactive as a game-day coach and stop playing players out of position.
Hopefully with these new inclusions, a healthy list and another preseason we will get a better indication of what our game plan is supposed to resemble.

Absolutely I think he can improve as a coach and I hope he becomes a multiple premiership winning one for this club, but i do not agree with your theory on him being flawless and not needing to accept any responsibility for our recent history.
Corey,Bartel,Chapman and Kelly were all passed their best by than, 2 of them were moved on at the end of the year.
Duncan,Guthrie and Caddy were developing players back than , they were not as good as they are now.
Stokes is not a A grade player , Johnson is an A grade forward ,not an A grade midfielder .

How many goals did chapman kicks in that game ?

What did you see standing behind the goals ? please explain to me what you observed that went wrong ?

I don't think Scott is perfect ,perfection is not realistic for a senior coach , I think he is an excellent coach which is all we can ask for .

Question . Who are you or I to say that Scott plays players in the wrong position ? sure we can have an opinion but they just uneducated opinions and nothing more . I am not having a go at you ,same applies for me and everyone else on this forum.
 

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I don't need to, the fact he didn't play in the QF is enough proof that someone f4cked up, the rest may not have fixed it but to play him and to further aggravate it wasn't the smartest thing to do.
Even with someone who does not play AFL football and has a bulging disc ,there is still a risk they could wake up in agony not able to do anything .

Rest was never going to fix the disc , just relax the muscles around the discs. He only needed a few days to do this.

You really think the club doctors and doctor peter larkins are wrong and you are right ?
 

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Corey,Bartel,Chapman and Kelly were all passed their best by than, 2 of them were moved on at the end of the year.
Duncan,Guthrie and Caddy were developing players back than , they were not as good as they are now.
Stokes is not a A grade player , Johnson is an A grade forward ,not an A grade midfielder .

How many goals did chapman kicks in that game ?

What did you see standing behind the goals ? please explain to me what you observed that went wrong ?

I don't think Scott is perfect ,perfection is not realistic for a senior coach , I think he is an excellent coach which is all we can ask for .

Question . Who are you or I to say that Scott plays players in the wrong position ? sure we can have an opinion but they just uneducated opinions and nothing more . I am not having a go at you ,same applies for me and everyone else on this forum.
Scott said himself that he was to blame for playing Duncan out of position.
 

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Corey,Bartel,Chapman and Kelly were all passed their best by than, 2 of them were moved on at the end of the year.
Duncan,Guthrie and Caddy were developing players back than , they were not as good as they are now.
Stokes is not a A grade player , Johnson is an A grade forward ,not an A grade midfielder .

How many goals did chapman kicks in that game ?

What did you see standing behind the goals ? please explain to me what you observed that went wrong ?

I don't think Scott is perfect ,perfection is not realistic for a senior coach , I think he is an excellent coach which is all we can ask for .

Question . Who are you or I to say that Scott plays players in the wrong position ? sure we can have an opinion but they just uneducated opinions and nothing more . I am not having a go at you ,same applies for me and everyone else on this forum.
I don't agree with Fremantle's midfield being that much better than ours, I believe we lost that game because they were better prepared, they're pressure and intensity was far greater and their structures worked better.

What did I see? I saw Steve Johnson get a mountain of the ball in the first quarter, then got the Crowley tag and barely got a sniff after that; why wasn't he moved forward to not only try and break the tag but also kick some goals, which we were only able to kick 9 of?
We had no movement up forward, which allowed for Ross Lyon put players down back and then slingshot forward, where we got caught out every time.

All I can go by is what I see and the results we get.
 
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We kicked it a lot to Sandilands parked in the back pocket, I remember that clearly. People around me were constantly puzzled as to why we just kept bombing it into our forward line. And that final tap by Sandilands to Hill, who took about four bounces and kicked the sealer - we didn't have anyone on the defensive side - he came off the bench, took the tap and sealed the game.
 

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We were totally out coached, they did everything right from resting players the week before to finding our weakness, it wasn't cause they had better players then us like some on here would have you believe.
 

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I don't agree with Fremantle's midfield being that much better than ours, I believe we lost that game because they were better prepared, they're pressure and intensity was far greater and their structures worked better.

What did I see? I saw Steve Johnson get a mountain of the ball in the first quarter, then got the Crowley tag and barely got a sniff after that; why wasn't he moved forward to not only try and break the tag but also kick some goals, which we were only able to kick 9 of?
We had no movement up forward, which allowed for Ross Lyon put players down back and then slingshot forward, where we got caught out every time.

All I can go by is what I see and the results we get.
Yep, he got completely out coached in the 2013 Freo game. In fact, him and the admin got ahead of themselves chasing that game to be played in Geelong-smacked more of arrogance than genuine merit for mine. But Lyon is no slouch as a coach whether you like his style or not. The Freo midfield outplayed us that day-pretty comprehensively for much of the game.
And yep, Scott out coached Mick in the 2011 GF. And yep, he needs to lift his game. Let's see how he goes with a team that looks pretty good on paper next year.
 

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The biggest thing people fail to realise is that Scotts or any coach for that matter they're progress is not linear relative to time served mistakes will be made, how they overcome those obstacles are the biggest test
 
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