Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

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You already know the reason for this but I'll tell you anyways, winning three premierships means Geelong will continue to get a pass mark no matter how poor their record in September becomes. I suspect this will be the case for quite a long time yet because had we been in St Kilda's shoes, endless finals appearances and grand finals for 0 premierships, you honestly believe Fox Footy, SEN and the Herald Sun would be applying no pressure whatsoever on that club if their finals record was the same as ours in recent times?
Of course not! They would been getting hounded left right and center.

This comes back to my belief majority of Geelong supporters are content and more than happy to put up with mediocrity for a while now. They've experienced success and that's that for another couple of decades (or more).
It doesn't have to be that way though. Hawthorn don't rest on their laurels which is why they are regarded as the most successful VFL/AFL team of all time. They average something like a premiership every seven years since they entered the competition. Why must we put up with shit finals performances just because the coach managed to sneak out a premiership in his first season on the job coaching a team that could have literally coached itself to a flag that year?



I can't but it does appear to have been a successful way of getting through to the grand final. the issue for Fremantle was that they ran into the greatest team since Geelong on their home deck so had it been any other team, they are premiers.
Had the likes of Bartel, Hawkins, Taylor, Enright, Corey, Selwood . . . . had a week off before playing Fremantle in that final, we may very well have had Hawkins at full forward and been able to run out the final quarter.
Don't you think its a bit of a contradiction to say that Geelong have a monkey on their back about losing finals and than go on to say that most people ignore Geelong's finals losses because we recently won 3 premierships ?

With regards to comparing Geelong too Hawthorn why have they won more premierships over the past 10 years than Geelong ? because we lost 2008.

The reason Hawthorn have been performing better than us over the past few years is simple Since Scott became coach up until this season
-Geelong have lost 9 All Australian players ,Hawthorn have lost 2 All Australian players.
-Geelong have traded away 1 first round draft pick ,Hawthorn have traded away 6 first round draft picks since 2009.

As for excepting poor performances in finals , playing finals is not a right .It has to be earned , its very rare that rebuilding sides earn the right to play in finals .It has been a great achievement for Scott to take rebuilding Geelong sides into the finals .As we are no longer rebuilding than the expectations are much greater .

Not 1 premiership side over the past 20 years has rested half a team the week before the finals and gone on to win the premiership and you think its a successful method ?
 

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I'm older than you by some, as are quite a few Cats supporters I'd suggest, and I resent this accusation and strongly suggest you are dead wrong on this point.

I, like many here, lived through many, many bleak years that you did not, and to suggest we're content with mediocrity, after the briefest of success, is insulting to our passion as supporters.

We suffered a long time, but stuck by the club through thick and thin, and never wavered in our loyalty.

Younger supporters like yourself may be prone to acceptng success as a 'given', but believe me, those of us who've been around a while treasure success like a desert wanderer craves a drop of water.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush.
Lets just be honest some supporters have not been able to handle our recent decline that was caused by nothing more than losing so many high quality experienced players. They are just spitting the dummy .

It takes time to replace what we have lost , patience is needed.
 

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Unfortunately, there are a minority that focus on playing the man and not the ball. It happens everywhere, but hopefully you can see that your opinions are considered by most as equally valid to the discussion as anyone else's, rather than feeling victimised.
I don't feel victimised and I'm sorry if my post in anyway projected that to people, I have a slightly thicker skin than that.;) I was literally just saying it the way it is, myself and others on here have copped those kind of barbs for speaking our minds, now I'm not acting holier than thou but I do try my best not to attack the man and focus on the ball.*

*Sometimes I do attack the man but mainly to posters who've done it to me or I know take it in the right spirit.
 

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Lets just be honest some supporters have not been able to handle our recent decline that was caused by nothing more than losing so many high quality experienced players. They are just spitting the dummy .

It takes time to replace what we have lost , patience is needed.
Really? I haven't seen anyone on here with an opinion either way on Scott or the club that genuinely thought we wouldn't have a decline.
 

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Well of course you're both entitled to that opinion....and making broad statements about what the majority of Geelong supporters feel. ITs quite presumptuous of both of you, but go right ahead.

Personally. I think its a load of tripe.
You know what proves the majority of the Geelong supporter bases satisfaction with mediocrity isn't a load of tripe? The way the Geelong faithful celebrated our last game of the season this year. We were missing finals for the first time in 8 seasons, we'd come off three inept performances in a row, and the crowd were celebrating in the second half like we were winning a bloody final?! I'm no miser and obviously it was nice to send Stevie J and Stokes off with a clap at the end but I was bloody disappointed in our season and didn't really care that we won a dead game in the last round?!? I certainly couldn't see Hawthorn supporters celebrating a season failure like that because they expect and demand success.
 
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“We instigated a plan probably five or six years ago to put ourselves in a position in 2016 where we’d have a list that could compete, and I’m relatively comfortable that we’ve done that,” Scott told SEN on Wednesday morning.

“But it’s certainly not a short-term play from here, either.

“We need to get it going as quickly as possible and get those guys jelling and understanding our system, but the four players that we’ve brought in are (only) 25.

“So we’re not judging the success of our recruiting strategy over the past five or six years, and the organic growth within our list, purely on 2016.”

Part of that seems fair, it's not entirely a short term play, they're all 25-26 by the time the season starts so there is scope for the future as well.

The first part is reasonable, they are putting themselves in a position to contend in 2016, I think 2017 has potentially better prospects personally.
 

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Not everyone fellas but the majority of our fans are content.

Look, we exit 2014 in straight sets and then come out the following year and put in a woeful performance right across the board and yet, you all feel more than happy to kneel before our coach and salute him as though he's onto something extraordinary. We are witnessing no improvement in key areas. We have witnessed a host of young talent exit to find opportunities elsewhere. Some have basically left as part of their own personal choices which very rarely happens at Geelong.

As far as I'm concerned, this coach, along with a couple of others he brought in when he began have not only hurt the clubs prospects for the future, but the game plan is completely flawed. It's a defensive mindset stalling some of the games most creative goal scorers. We are basically an uncontested version of the Fremantle Dockers right now.

If this coach does not make finals with the crop of talent he has at his disposal in 2016, he's gotta go. I for one will be lobbying strongly to see this happen and I'm confident there will be quite a few who feel the same way.
Yeah I'd hate to see the clubs email inbox if we don't finish top 4 or win a final, I'd also hate to see our membership numbers for 2017 should that happen and Scott stay on.
 

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If this coach does not make finals with the crop of talent he has at his disposal in 2016, he's gotta go. I for one will be lobbying strongly to see this happen and I'm confident there will be quite a few who feel the same way.
Here's a couple of signs for you and Blighty to hold during your protest

 

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Yeah, so let me get this right Cook is saying top 4 and Scott is saying it's not about the short term and we're not judging the development of our list on 2016 alone...Interesting, it almost sounds like they're at odds with their respective expectations for 2016. Still it's good to see good ole Scotty covering his arse in the famous contradictory statement way he has for his entire tenure.
 

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Back to your traditional "defence" of playing the victim Blighty, you must be having yet another bad day, eh?
I never have really thought I did play the victim and in fact in our previous stoushes on here from memory the insults have flowed freely in both directions. I wouldn't have thought playing the victim involved throwing insults back?... But maybe we should start 'A guide to argumentative tactics' thread on here in order to clear up those kinds of nuances. You'd easily be able to instruct us all on how to conduct a 'baseless argument in order to insult fellow posters tactic.':thumbsu:
 

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Don't you think its a bit of a contradiction to say that Geelong have a monkey on their back about losing finals and than go on to say that most people ignore Geelong's finals losses because we recently won 3 premierships ?

With regards to comparing Geelong too Hawthorn why have they won more premierships over the past 10 years than Geelong ? because we lost 2008.

The reason Hawthorn have been performing better than us over the past few years is simple Since Scott became coach up until this season
-Geelong have lost 9 All Australian players ,Hawthorn have lost 2 All Australian players.
-Geelong have traded away 1 first round draft pick ,Hawthorn have traded away 6 first round draft picks since 2009.

As for excepting poor performances in finals , playing finals is not a right .It has to be earned , its very rare that rebuilding sides earn the right to play in finals .It has been a great achievement for Scott to take rebuilding Geelong sides into the finals .As we are no longer rebuilding than the expectations are much greater .

Not 1 premiership side over the past 20 years has rested half a team the week before the finals and gone on to win the premiership and you think its a successful method ?
Also, Hawthorn's best players are still their senior players in Mitchell, Hodge and Burgoyne who seem to be getting better with age so they got lucky there.
Compare them to say Kelly, Bartel and Johnson; 2 are gone and one is just about done.
On the plus side, we're on the way up while once their senior players retire I think Hawthorn will start to slide(hopefully)
 

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Not everyone fellas but the majority of our fans are content.

Look, we exit 2014 in straight sets and then come out the following year and put in a woeful performance right across the board and yet, you all feel more than happy to kneel before our coach and salute him as though he's onto something extraordinary. We are witnessing no improvement in key areas. We have witnessed a host of young talent exit to find opportunities elsewhere. Some have basically left as part of their own personal choices which very rarely happens at Geelong.

As far as I'm concerned, this coach, along with a couple of others he brought in when he began have not only hurt the clubs prospects for the future, but the game plan is completely flawed. It's a defensive mindset stalling some of the games most creative goal scorers. We are basically an uncontested version of the Fremantle Dockers right now.

If this coach does not make finals with the crop of talent he has at his disposal in 2016, he's gotta go. I for one will be lobbying strongly to see this happen and I'm confident there will be quite a few who feel the same way.
How people on this board don't understand why we have declined over the past few years is beyond me because its so obvious. The club knows it , the media knows it and most Geelong supporters know it .It has nothing to do with Scott,Thompson,Hocking,Wells,Cook or anyone else off the field .

The reason why Geelong have declined over the past few years

The following all gone due to old age
-Abeltt
-Rooke
-Ling
-Ottens
-Milburn
-Mooney
-Scarlett
-Wojinski
-Chapman
-Cory
-Podsiadly
-Hunt

Than you have players who have gotten old such as
-Bartel
-Johnson
-Kelly
-Mackie
-Enright

Than you have the following players smashed with injury
-Menzel
-Vardy
-Simpson
-Cowan

When you look at all the talent that we have lost above you realize that we should of finished bottom 6 for the past 3 years , too only miss the finals once and finish no lower than 10th is an amazing effort not just by Scott but by all the key people at our club .

As for young players leaving , they are all with the exception if Christianson players that we did not want /

The way the club has used both the draft and trading to build our list over the past few years is nothing short of amazing.

I cant wait to see how a midfield of Selwood,Dangerfield,Duncan,Caddy,Guthrie and Scooter goes next year.

I cant wait to see how a attack of Hawkins,Clark,Motlop,Menzel,Lang and Murodch goes next year.

I cant wait to see how a defense of Taylor ,Henderson ,Kolo,Mackie,Thurlow and Enright goes next year.

I can wait to see how a ruck division of Smith,Stanley and Vardy goes next year .

We have plenty of other good players on our list , we have some really good times ahead.
 

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I don't care for which players have come and gone.
There is no excuse for continually putting up poor contested possessions and clearance numbers. There are plenty of teams with far less talent that us who win more contested possession each game. It is not about the personnel, it's how they are being taught and we aren't getting it right.
Too many players are reactive around stoppages, we are literally a joke and please don't tell me Caddy, Duncan, Guthrie, Blicavs or Motlop are not very talented footballers because they are.

I want to see a spike in contested possessions and clearances next season. We have Stanley/Smith as rucks and Dangerfield/Selwood/Blicavs/Caddy as inside ball magnets.
We should go from 18th in clearances right up to 10th and we should also go from 15th in contested possessions right up to 7th or even higher. We have many 4th & 5th year players so really, there should be no excuses.
When you lose so much talent your bound to have some deficiency, ours is clearances and contested football .

Caddy,Blicavs,Motlop,Duncan and Motlop are not yet A grade midfielders , they are in my opinion all about to be A grade midfielders either this year or the next .

Don't forget that in todays game more scoring comes from turnovers across the AFL than from clearances , this is because sides have so many players around the ball its hard to get an effective clearance out of there .Scott is just coaching to the way the modern game is played .

I agree we must get better at the inside play to win a premeirship , but it cant be done at the expense of what happens on the outside because this is were the most damage is done.
 
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It's a long time since we have gone in harder lower and with more intent than our opposition over 4 quarters,that's a hunger thing,that's mind set that's what sets Clarkson head and shoulders above the current coaches and it kills me to say it.
 

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When you lose so much talent your bound to have some deficiency, ours is clearances and contested football . Don't you think its a bit of a coincidence that our clearance problms started
Don't waste your breath,people like Bobby,Blighty & BB are set in their ways.Even a premiership won't change them from being grumblebums.
 

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Don't waste your breath,people like Bobby,Blighty & BB are set in their ways.Even a premiership won't change them from being grumblebums.
You should read the posts, Bobby is arguing right now that Guthrie, Caddy, Duncan etc are talented players and geelong_crazy26 is arguing they aren't talented, my point being how can you call a guy that's arguing we have talented midfielders (a positive statement) against someone arguing the negative is a grumblebum?
 

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How people on this board don't understand why we have declined over the past few years is beyond me because its so obvious. The club knows it , the media knows it and most Geelong supporters know it .It has nothing to do with Scott,Thompson,Hocking,Wells,Cook or anyone else off the field .

The reason why Geelong have declined over the past few years

The following all gone due to old age
-Abeltt
-Rooke
-Ling
-Ottens
-Milburn
-Mooney
-Scarlett
-Wojinski
-Chapman
-Cory
-Podsiadly
-Hunt

Than you have players who have gotten old such as
-Bartel
-Johnson
-Kelly
-Mackie
-Enright

Than you have the following players smashed with injury
-Menzel
-Vardy
-Simpson
-Cowan

When you look at all the talent that we have lost above you realize that we should of finished bottom 6 for the past 3 years , too only miss the finals once and finish no lower than 10th is an amazing effort not just by Scott but by all the key people at our club .

As for young players leaving , they are all with the exception if Christianson players that we did not want /

The way the club has used both the draft and trading to build our list over the past few years is nothing short of amazing.

I cant wait to see how a midfield of Selwood,Dangerfield,Duncan,Caddy,Guthrie and Scooter goes next year.

I cant wait to see how a attack of Hawkins,Clark,Motlop,Menzel,Lang and Murodch goes next year.

I cant wait to see how a defense of Taylor ,Henderson ,Kolo,Mackie,Thurlow and Enright goes next year.

I can wait to see how a ruck division of Smith,Stanley and Vardy goes next year .

We have plenty of other good players on our list , we have some really good times ahead.

I am in your camp Crazy !

I do not think all of the Cat's fans and posters have seen the serious potential this list has if we have few injuries. Now we still have a few injury concerns that now hang over Menzel's, Vardy's, Cowan's, McCarthy, Bates and even Mitch Duncan's, Clark's and Stanley's heads. Maybe we should include Scooter - right now anyway.So we would all recognise that that is by far too many suspect players.

However Simpson and Hmac are gone now - so that is two off the list. And most of the above if they breakdown badly will probably not be on the list in 2017. In other words the LTI list should shrink again. By 2017 it should be finally manageable.

But right now, seeing we have invested so much in Menzel, Vardy and co. - and they are all basically fit presently (exceptions Duncan, McCarthy, Scooter and Stanley who are in the rehab group I believe) - we should try and enjoy the possibilities having these players again available.

That would be Menzel (potential gun), Vardy (could develop into a decent CHF), Cowan (could be a player - goes ok), Clark if he can recapture good form and stay fit could be a very contributor for us. I do not know what Bates offers as I have never seen him play or heard much about him).

And as far as rehab group goes I believe they think Stanley (possibly form a decent ruck duo) and Scooter (would be very handy run with player) could be ready for starting full training just before Xmas.

In other words, for us, we will probably have a pretty full list that will be training thru January, then Feb and even March. The group should be pretty fit and raring to go come round 1 2016.

Who knows Duncan's 'minor surgery' as it has been called - could see him back in Jan. and training ?

in other words we will have a pretty full line up fit and I think the depth is there, even though we probably had our biggest list change in over a decade. More stars gone but this time some stars coming in.

I think just about all of us think Danger will be an A grader for us - and in all the departments we so desperately need. Some under estimate what Scooter can bring to our team. He will be a bit like Ling in that some will question his game but the side keeps winning. And when he retires the fans start saying what a player he was an under rated part of the team in the role he did. He brings real depth to our midfield IMO.

I do not know Zac really so I will have to wait and see him play before I can say much. But he is the right height, the weight and has had some good games as a first ruckman - and he has matured being 25. So there is a lot going for him - but these alone do make a player or a ruckman. But he cannot make our rucks worse - so more than likely he will be an improvement for us.

Henderson I was unsure of - so I will also wait until I see what happens on the park. But for sure we now have depth in KPPs. And that is a very, very good thing.

And we have quite a number of seriously likely kids in Lang, Thurlow, Kolo, Bews and Gregson. All of them really should improve with more senior experience.

What I am saying in short is that we really do not know exactly how things will pan out because of the number players that have been an LTI or are still rehabbing. But on the surface of it things are looking good for the list and if we have a healthy list I think Cats fans can dream a bit. The team really has the potential to be a very credentialed competitor - even in the big games.
 

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Yeah, so let me get this right Cook is saying top 4 and Scott is saying it's not about the short term and we're not judging the development of our list on 2016 alone...Interesting, it almost sounds like they're at odds with their respective expectations for 2016. Still it's good to see good ole Scotty covering his arse in the famous contradictory statement way he has for his entire tenure.
I think your hatred of Scott has blinded you to what he was saying here.

He said that they put a strategy in place some time ago to recruit a competitive side for 2016, but it's not just a hit and run mission for 2016. He points out that the guys they've recruited are only in their mid 20's, and therefore they are looking forward to the side being competitive even further into the future.
 

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What I am saying in short is that we really do not know exactly how things will pan out because of the number players that have been an LTI or are still rehabbing. But on the surface of it things are looking good for the list and if we have a healthy list I think Cats fans can dream a bit. The team really has the potential to be a very credentialed competitor - even in the big games.
If we can field close to our best side each week we will go o/k if we can add belief look out.
 

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I think your hatred of Scott has blinded you to what he was saying here.

He said that they put a strategy in place some time ago to recruit a competitive side for 2016, but it's not just a hit and run mission for 2016. He points out that the guys they've recruited are only in their mid 20's, and therefore they are looking forward to the side being competitive even further into the future.
Doing well doesn't just depend on the guys we recruited, though. There are older players on the list who will be hard to replace if the opportunity isn't taken within the next couple of years. Not a lot of young talent coming through now.
 

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I think your hatred of Scott has blinded you to what he was saying here.

He said that they put a strategy in place some time ago to recruit a competitive side for 2016, but it's not just a hit and run mission for 2016. He points out that the guys they've recruited are only in their mid 20's, and therefore they are looking forward to the side being competitive even further into the future.
I don't hate Scott. At the end of the article he says 'I'm not trying to manage expectations either,' why would he say that unless he'd presumed his previous statements would be taken to mean that he was trying to manage expectations? I haven't heard the entirety of what he said on 1116 so it's quite possible I have got the context of what he was saying wrong but from what's written in the article it certainly seems to me that he's making contradictory statements.
 
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