Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

  • Yes

    Votes: 79 79.0%
  • No

    Votes: 21 21.0%

  • Total voters
    100
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In a direct response to posters' refusal to give Scott too much credit, you claimed that Scott deserved more credit than we were giving him. There is no mention of spirit here as there was in some of your other posts; this scenario evidences a clash of opinions. An opinion I'm sure you hold firm to but are not willing to justify. That's fine too.


It really isn't a point of debate to begin with. To each their own though.
If you read my posts carefully, you'll understand that I was simply objecting to the fact that Scott was virtually being given no credit at all. By your own reckoning it was only worth about 1%.

I was simply trying to say that I thought that was mean spirited, and he deserved a little more recognition than that.

I also never disagreed with you, or anyone else, about the need for Scott to prove himself in 2016/17. Nor did we disagree about Ablett's value to our team. You misinterpreted what I was trying to say.

Yet your reply was condescending, dismissive, as though talking to a child. I don't appreciate that, as I'm sure you wouldn't if the shoe was on the other foot.
 

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If you read my posts carefully, you'll understand that I was simply objecting to the fact that Scott was virtually being given no credit at all. By your own reckoning it was only worth about 1%.

I was simply trying to say that I thought that was mean spirited, and he deserved a little more recognition than that.

I also never disagreed with you, or anyone else, about the need for Scott to prove himself in 2016/17. Nor did we disagree about Ablett's value to our team. You misinterpreted what I was trying to say.

Yet your reply was condescending, dismissive, as though talking to a child. I don't appreciate that, as I'm sure you wouldn't if the shoe was on the other foot.
Again, post has been taken way out of context so not going to attempt to respond to your same point again and again.

Don't be so quick to assume my feelings on the matter. Personally, I love a bit of banter, either way. My intentions weren't bad however it came across so apologies for that. Though even if I had intended condescension, I'd reiterate for future reference that it is in fact an Internet forum and it is best not to personally identify with any perceived attacks
 

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Again, post has been taken way out of context so not going to attempt to respond to your same point again and again.

Don't be so quick to assume my feelings on the matter. Personally, I love a bit of banter, either way. My intentions weren't bad however it came across so apologies for that. Though even if I had intended condescension, I'd reiterate for future reference that it is in fact an Internet forum and it is best not to personally identify with any perceived attacks
True, but probably also best not to come across that way in the first place. Other than that though, I have enjoyed the debate. Even though I don't agree with your views, you have made some valid points here and there.
 

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Again, post has been taken way out of context so not going to attempt to respond to your same point again and again.

Don't be so quick to assume my feelings on the matter. Personally, I love a bit of banter, either way. My intentions weren't bad however it came across so apologies for that. Though even if I had intended condescension, I'd reiterate for future reference that it is in fact an Internet forum and it is best not to personally identify with any perceived attacks
I don't believe I've taken anything 'out of context', which you continue to assert, but how you interpret things is your perogative, and your right.

Nor do I think I made any assumptions about your feelings.

We'll agree to disagree.
 

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True, but probably also best not to come across that way in the first place. Other than that though, I have enjoyed the debate. Even though I don't agree with your views, you have made some valid points here and there.
I'm not walking on eggshells. If I'm not following Bigfooty guidelines, I'm sure that moderators will penalise me where they see fit. As I said, it wasn't my intention to attack, however it is an online forum and every written passage is open to broad interpretation.
 

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I don't believe I've taken anything 'out of context', which you continue to assert, but how you interpret things is your perogative, and your right.

Nor do I think I made any assumptions about your feelings.

We'll agree to disagree.
Well I believe you literally took everything she said out of context, from the 99%, to anyone could have coached them and her being condescending. To me she acquitted herself just fine, put forward the right questions, intelligently debated the right points and she never came across as rude or condescending the way you like to describe it. I just can’t get over how precious some posters on this forum are, in the real world calling a mate a dickhead is looked upon as a joke but on this forum it’s an insult and virtually criminal.
 

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Well I believe you literally took everything she said out of context, from the 99%, to anyone could have coached them and her being condescending. To me she acquitted herself just fine, put forward the right questions, intelligently debated the right points and she never came across as rude or condescending the way you like to describe it. I just can’t get over how precious some posters on this forum are, in the real world calling a mate a dickhead is looked upon as a joke but on this forum it’s an insult and virtually criminal.
Any reasonable person would've understood that 99% wasn't literal, but the associated inference that Scott's contribution was like 1%, and I quote, 'miniscule', I thought to be harsh and unfair, hence my protest.

Again, any reasonable person would understand I wasn't arguing percentages, but the mean spirit behind the dismissal of Scott's contribution as virtually negligible.

It was also plainly said a number of times, and not just by Catgirl, that anyone could've coached the 2011 premiership. How was that ever taken out of context?

I never accused her of being rude, and I only took exception to one comment as being condescending.

Your last sentence is playing me, not the ball. Waste of effort, because, as you replied to another poster, I really don't care.

It does raise my hackles though when people post with a smug air of superiority, and are dismissive of others with arrogance and insults.

Anyhow, rant over. We've exchanged thoughts, and I'm not interested in seeing the discussion get personal.
 

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Sorry CE.

I didn't mean to create any angst, but perhaps my posts didn't communicate my thoughts as clearly as I would've liked, or as they should've.

Anyhow, moving on.
That's the Internet for ya.

I think if Chris Scott's coaching was discussed by everyone down at the pub it would be far more civilised:)
 

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That's the Internet for ya.

I think if Chris Scott's coaching was discussed by everyone down at the pub it would be far more civilised:)
For sure.

The tone and meaning of written words can be interpreted so many different ways.

Face to face, a cold beer in hand, leaves far less room for misunderstanding.

Probably makes for far less common sense after a while though :D
 

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It's evident a small portion of us see the coach in a very different way to what most others are seeing. This is intriguing and why it continues to draw us back to the thread, at least in my case it does. It will either go two ways, the coach succeeds and takes the club to a preliminary final or grand final or he steps down before his contract has expired. I can't see how he remains at the helm if 2016 turns out to be another disappointing season. The board have made some changes this off season, it seems like they are preparing themselves for a possible plan B.
Agree.

Scott needs to make a statement next year.

Perception is a funny thing, and variety is good. It'd be a boring place if everyone simply agreed....though it'd likely be a lot calmer :)
 

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Again, any reasonable person would understand I wasn't arguing percentages, but the mean spirit behind the dismissal of Scott's contribution as virtually negligible.
There is no "mean spirit" intended in primarily crediting our 2011 flag to staff and players who had the club in their best interests 10 years prior to Scott's inauguration. Though we differ in opinions at times, we are all similar in that we all want the best for our club. Dismissing the weight of Scott's contribution in 2011 does not overrule that. I'm sure that every single Geelong supporter, on and off Bigfooty alike, would love to see Scott replicate or improve on Thompson's achievements. I know I would. It's not about being characterised by mean spirit or a hatred for the guy, but a love and appreciation for the ones who dragged our team out of the mud, not in the 10 months prior to a flag, but for over a decade in advance.

It was also plainly said a number of times, and not just by Catgirl, that anyone could've coached the 2011 premiership. How was that ever taken out of context?
It wasn't taken out of context, however it cannot be proven or disproven. It is an opinion that I'd say some are more than justified in having, as some can express their opinion that only Chris Scott could have coached us to the 2011 premiership, without protest or corresponding vitriol.

Your last sentence is playing me, not the ball. Waste of effort, because, as you replied to another poster, I really don't care.

It does raise my hackles though when people post with a smug air of superiority, and are dismissive of others with arrogance and insults.
I care for Abet's angles. Perhaps we could all learn something if we were a bit less petty and a lot more accepting of opposing standpoints.

At the end of the day, whether Scott was a major or minor contributor in the 2011 flag, the fact is that we won a premiership. I feel blessed as a Geelong supporter to even be in a position to debate in its regard. Our dynasty heeded a legendary coach, and I really do hope that Scott can emulate this with our current players. He is definitely well-equipped.
 

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Anyone who thinks Bomber Thompson is the only one capable of turning the players that wells recruited from 99-02 into champions is an idiot .
not if that's their opinion though.
People use to think the earth was smack bang in the center of the universe and anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot.
 

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Anyone who thinks Bomber Thompson is the only one capable of turning the players that wells recruited from 99-02 into champions is an idiot .
It's easier to undo 10 months at a football club than it is to undo a decade. You're right though, because it wasn't solely Bomber who developed these players. There are a multitude of Cats staff behind the scenes that can take credit for the success of these stars, having nurtured them from the age of 18 to double/triple premiership players. Bomber's role in this was imperative, however.
 

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Anyone who thinks Bomber Thompson is the only one capable of turning the players that wells recruited from 99-02 into champions is an idiot .
That's where me and you differ, I never said that other coaches couldn't emulate Bombers feats, of course there would have been coaches capable in turning them to the champion side it turned into, no different to what we are saying about other coaches leading the 2011 side to a GF, however you're so enamoured with CS that you think no other coach could have achieved it which is a load of garbage.
 

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Ha ha, you don't think that supporters (I.e the 1,000 corporate contributors of 10 mil) wield any pressure?
Wow.

Media and social media is just too strong now.
Build up a big enough resistance, questions start getting asked everywhere.

Thanks for the balanced input.
Nice little dodge. You were clearly referencing everyday punters not corporates or the major club social supporters in your ' input' .The average punter has no more sway than a mum-n-dad shareholder in a big corporation. The decisions are taken by boards taking account ofhow the company is performing and the views of institutional investors. That is where the real power and more importantly knowledge resides. Also in well run organisations they are many steps ahead of the great unwashed because they are better informed and far better equipped to make the big calls. So when it's time for a new coach our key people will see it and take the appropriate action. Only nuffies would suggest now is that time.
All the hoo-hah that goes on in forums and social media amounts to two thirds of stuff all.
 

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That's where me and you differ, I never said that other coaches couldn't emulate Bombers feats, of course there would have been coaches capable in turning them to the champion side it turned into, no different to what we are saying about other coaches leading the 2011 side to a GF, however you're so enamoured with CS that you think no other coach could have achieved it which is a load of garbage.
I agree with all of this .

What I have been saying is that 2011 was not handed to Scott on a platter , otherwise we wouldn't of lost the prelim the year before in the manner that we did .
 
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