Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

  • Yes

    Votes: 79 79.0%
  • No

    Votes: 21 21.0%

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Vdubs

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Unsure to be honest, but as a "second ruck" in a team with a strong senior ruckman you'd expect him to be playing primarily up forward. He is getting his five to ten taps per game, suggesting he's thrown into the ruck at least up forward or to give Jacobs the odd breather. There isn't another one I can think of on Adelaide's list.
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I'd say stanley is quickly becoming the league best no2 ruckman. Smith I wouldnt have in the top 10.
Pretty reasonable to have Smith outside the top 10 #1 rucks - however, I doubt Stanley would be as good a #2 without him.

I think its the combo deal that makes them both successful - he sum of the parts as it were.

Both good individually but better together.

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Some interesting points in this discussion - would you prefer to have a top five ruckman with a #35 ranked back-up, or a 15-16 ruckman and the #19 ranked back up?
It's like saying would you go to the draft and take picks 18 and 19, or picks 1 and 36?
The thing is, we've shown since Ottens retired that we can still compete even when we're being belted in the ruck. It might be prudent if we started to look at some matches - against North and GWS would be the obvious ones - and say 'okay, no matter who we've got in the ruck we're going to be smashed. Let's look for an area where we can stock up and try and compensate.' Ie. Use Blicavs as a back-up or pinch hitter if need be, and play someone else who might be able to shut down some of the clearances the opposition will get because of their ruck advantage. Predict the area of defeat before it happens, and make sure we nullify as best we can, the advantage the other team gains.
 

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Some interesting points in this discussion - would you prefer to have a top five ruckman with a #35 ranked back-up, or a 15-16 ruckman and the #19 ranked back up?
It's like saying would you go to the draft and take picks 18 and 19, or picks 1 and 36?
The thing is, we've shown since Ottens retired that we can still compete even when we're being belted in the ruck. It might be prudent if we started to look at some matches - against North and GWS would be the obvious ones - and say 'okay, no matter who we've got in the ruck we're going to be smashed. Let's look for an area where we can stock up and try and compensate.' Ie. Use Blicavs as a back-up or pinch hitter if need be, and play someone else who might be able to shut down some of the clearances the opposition will get because of their ruck advantage. Predict the area of defeat before it happens, and make sure we nullify as best we can, the advantage the other team gains.
I'd look at the doggies tactics, Gawn and Goldstein effectively had their worst games for the season competing against two undersized part time ruckman. I think the key was having two that were big enough but still mobile, really restricted their opponents around the ground. We should have the ability to do it.
 

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I'd look at the doggies tactics, Gawn and Goldstein effectively had their worst games for the season competing against two undersized part time ruckman. I think the key was having two that were big enough but still mobile, really restricted their opponents around the ground. We should have the ability to do it.
With Smith and Stanley? Or with one of them out of the side and Blicavs pinch-hitting instead?
 

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We don't have a top 10 ruckmen but we are 5th in the league for hit outs vs opponents. Our ruckmen also provide goals (11 combined).

Of the four teams above us (Carlton, North, Melbourne & Westcoast). I dare say we have the highest goal tally from our ruck combo. We're getting exceptional value from our big men.

The dual purpose forward/rucks supplemented by tagger/3rd man up (Blicavs) is working a treat.
 
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Pretty reasonable to have Smith outside the top 10 #1 rucks - however, I doubt Stanley would be as good a #2 without him.

I think its the combo deal that makes them both successful - he sum of the parts as it were.

Both good individually but better together.

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I'm finding this season rather interesting, for all the previous years bleatings about no plan B it is clear now that the last 2 seasons were plan b. Setting up defensively to win the ball on turnover.

What we saw was as King described it "The Geelong Highway" and the "Slingshot" both of these were predicated on conceding losing the hitouts and clearances and setting up behind the ball to run it out, this expended a lot of energy (resulting in 2nd half fades) and would also see us burned numerous times on turnover as we were defensively out of position.

Stark contrast to this season, this season we are winning clearances and hitouts more frequently and have moved more to plan A. Surge the ball forward and lock it in our half, teams are struggling with it for a few reasons.

Firstly they're now doing what we used to, having to run it out of defence and expending lot of energy doing so (our 4th quarters anyone).

This is where the rucks come in, we have the tall and traditional ruckman in Smith who requires a likewise opponent but our no.2 Stanley and Blicavs are both nimble and agile for their size with excellent endurance. This creates a problem, go one ruck (like Adelaide with Jacobs) and we wear them out by the 4th quarter but not many have a capable 2nd ruck who is as athletic and can drift forward. Huge advantage to us. Add in Blicavs being able to tag and play behind the ball in the press and we have a well oiled system atm.

Second conundrum is that because Blicavs and Stanley are athletically exceptional for their size the opposition has a quandary... do they similarly go tall and make themselves slower as not many clubs have athletic tall men like we do, and as such make it easier to apply pressure through our smalls to force pressure long bombs forward... Which as we all know plays into our hands.....

or do they go smaller to try and outrun us thus giving us more tall players for bail out kicks down the line when we set up our press which helps lock the ball in and protect what is a slow and generally tall defence.

This is great evidence as to why the calls last season that our main issue was personnel are looking to be correct.
 

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I'm finding this season rather interesting, for all the previous years bleatings about no plan B it is clear now that the last 2 seasons were plan b. Setting up defensively to win the ball on turnover.

What we saw was as King described it "The Geelong Highway" and the "Slingshot" both of these were predicated on conceding losing the hitouts and clearances and setting up behind the ball to run it out, this expended a lot of energy (resulting in 2nd half fades) and would also see us burned numerous times on turnover as we were defensively out of position.

Stark contrast to this season, this season we are winning clearances and hitouts more frequently and have moved more to plan A. Surge the ball forward and lock it in our half, teams are struggling with it for a few reasons.

Firstly they're now doing what we used to, having to run it out of defence and expending lot of energy doing so (our 4th quarters anyone).
God yes. I remember a few years ago - when Sandilands was dominating the ruck contests but Freo were still distinctly mediocre, and a number of players (including us) were playing with part-time ruckmen - one of the prevailing schools of thought around the AFL at the time was that ruckmen were heavily overrated and winning taps had little to no bearing on the game.

I think our travails over the last few years might have put that one to bed. Our continued issues with West Coast, Fremantle, North, and (last year) Melbourne have shown as much.

I'd love to see one of our ruckmen just going Full Clark Keating for a little bit in a game and spike it like a volleyball - just to see what would happen!
 

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Where's blighty?
Or is this just confirming that he's nothing more than a baseless troll?
You can't be a true fan if you put personal ( hate Scott , must be right) above Team success
Fair enough to not rate him but not to acknowledge you may be wrong is piss weak - plenty of true believers doing mea culpas in the Kersten thread ;)
 

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You can't be a true fan if you put personal ( hate Scott , must be right) above Team success
Fair enough to not rate him but not to acknowledge you may be wrong is piss weak - plenty of true believers doing mea culpas in the Kersten thread ;)
Then there are plenty of posters who aren't true fans.
 
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