Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

Will Chris Scott see out his contract until the end of 2017?

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I guess those teams apart from the Dogs have the best rucks in the comp at the moment. I really wonder if our rucks can at least stay competitive against them because that's going to be where it's won. If Mumford, Johnson, Greene go around intimidating our blokes, it's going to be a bloody tense finale. Smith, Blicavs and Stanley are not physical rucks. Two of them are athletes first and footballers second.

I wanna see Mackie have a word to Mumford if he tries to hurt one of our blokes. He's one of the most irritating Geelong players I have ever watched play this sport. Always giving it to the youngling's and easy beats but not so against the guys who are known to snap back.
 

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I never try and prognosticate, but...I think we will win 1/3, and end up about 14-8.
That is better than last year. GWS are the real deal with speed strength and depth everywhere, and if we win that, it will be a bonus imo. NM have had our measure for 2-3 years and are the team to beat, by definition at present. Not impossible for us, but still o be done.
I see a Haw NM GF, with the 2 Sydney teams losing prelims.
We are not yet top 4, but if all goes well, we could squeeze out a team.
But I am basing that on my preseason predictions, so am being a bit stubborn.
That 14-8 is pretty pessimistic, we'd have to go 7-6 over the last thirteen rounds to get that.
 

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We wil beat GWS and Doggies. They both started to look a bit tired today. Am wondering if injuries will take a little toll on Doggies, and if GWS, who play a pretty demanding style of footy, might just need one more year for their bodies to be mature enough to keep it up.( well hopefully that will be the case by the finals!)
North, they would be favorite to win that against us-tough to win.
NM should get some deserved respect once they start beating top teams; I expect that but many here think they won't.
 

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Over the past years at the 'G we would have played Carlton, Richmond, Melbourne. Or Hawthorn, Collingwood (when they were good). So I figures could have been skewered by whoever we played.
It'd mostly be finals, Hawthorn, Richmond and Collingwood. We've played Carlton at Etihad almost on an exclusive basis.
 

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Worst case scenario maybe.
Pretty even comp.
I'm much better at owaat.
Every year it has been said to be an even comp, I doubt that is it anymore even now then it was in past years. Even in our peak years we dropped games to quite a few mediocre teams. The things that were good about our team a week ago are stills true now, so to are the things that were poor about our team. It's no fluke that we're 7-2. Often a loss can serve as a reset button to help get rid of some bad habits that have been creeping into our game.

I'm just really looking forward to this weekend, I hope to see our players really fired up. I doubt that we'll be complacent after our showing against Collingwood
 

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Every year it has been said to be an even comp, I doubt that is it anymore even now then it was in past years. Even in our peak years we dropped games to quite a few mediocre teams. The things that were good about our team a week ago are stills true now, so to are the things that were poor about our team. It's no fluke that we're 7-2. Often a loss can serve as a reset button to help get rid of some bad habits that have been creeping into our game.

I'm just really looking forward to this weekend, I hope to see our players really fired up. I doubt that we'll be complacent after our showing against Collingwood
Freo 12 m ago 1/18
Freo today 18/18
Ess beat Melb beat GWS beat all comers
Rich beat Swans after 2 wins on the board
Any team can srsly beat any team
But I agree with all your points
 

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North look good enough to win it. Right mix of age and experience and talent and teamwork. And a coach who is smart. Not sure why they don't get rated by anyone.
Agree. They have been building and progressing steadily and patiently and recruit exactly what their perceived needs are, and get them.
 

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North look good enough to win it. Right mix of age and experience and talent and teamwork. And a coach who is smart. Not sure why they don't get rated by anyone.
I think there chances rest solely on Goldstein. The others are good enough to make it to another prelim but that bloke is capable of getting them to the grand final itself.

Perhaps it is the mixture of players they have which are greatly detested by the footy public? Thompson is hated because he has often been a bit of play actor behind the ball. Had a knack of flopping early on in his career and it was similar to the Selwood 'duck' the manor in which would draw free kicks by being the antagonist. Lindsay Thomas is obviously one of the least respected players of the decade. Throw in Firrito and Nahas, you can see why fans want them to fail despite their football holding up majority of the time.
 

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Not many and do you know why?
They were far too inexperienced but even still, look at the games:
59 point loss
7 point loss
27 point loss
13 point win

You can clearly see how even our games have been against them in recent seasons. They now know they can get us and I think they may even beat us again in round 11.



Yes we did beat Hawthorn in round one when they had no Ceglar, Hill or Roughead but Hawthorn have got us when it mattered most come September. There is no hiding away from this. Continue to put your head in the sand if you like.
We are a better team this year while Hawthorn are a weaker team but I'll happily give the edge to Alaister Clarkson if we have to meet them again in a final this season as he has the runs on the board.



It's a different team, that is for sure but certainly not a very different team.
Lonergan, Enright, Mackie, Taylor are still our main back line. The same blokes who have been found wanting in those big games after 2011. You want to know why they have been found wanting?
They are no longer in their prime and they are asked to play on guys 22-27. In fact, go on to YouTube mate, type in Geelong 2009 highlights or 2010 highlights and you will see just how fresh and lively those same four guys looked and compare them to the highlights you watch today.
Henderson has been a great get, he's definitely going to be holding his own but I have no confidence in the rest once our midfield tires and drops away and our backs are getting pummeled with relentless inside 50's.
Hawthorn's back line in recent grand finals has been so good because they are still youthful and smack bang in their prime. Last year, the oldest defender was Lake at 33.
Stratton 26, Birchall 27, Frawley 27, Suckling 27, Duryea 24.
Yeah the backline is similar to previous years, but I see that continuity as a strength and they seem to be performing tremendously well at the moment. And you say the midfield will tire but why? We have dominated fourth quarters and look fresh, we have a large rotation of inside mids, why will we tire. I don't think the Collingwood game points to that as we grew into the game, the damage was done first quarter.

And incidentally Gibson is over 30, Lake was over 30 and both Hodge and Mitchell are over 30 as part time defenders. I'll take quality guys like them Enright, Lonergan and Taylor over bit part players like Suckling, Duryea and Stratton. Age be damned.
 
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You can clearly see how even our games have been against them in recent seasons. They now know they can get us and I think they may even beat us again in round 11.
Will be interesting to see how Mohr pulls up (pulled early with a hamstring) given Corr, Marchbank and Davis don't look likely to make it to our game. Had to play Patton down back.
 

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North look good enough to win it. Right mix of age and experience and talent and teamwork. And a coach who is smart. Not sure why they don't get rated by anyone.
I think people are falling into the trap of saying they're not a great team so they shouldn't be 9-0 and therefore they're overrated and won't win it. The problem with that is there aren't any great teams this year andI think North are as good a chance as anybody. It's amazing that for your team's reputation it seems like the only thing worse than losing is winning unconvincingly.

Sydney lose to Richmond and it's all about how Richmond were breathing fire and it's just an aberration where a quality team just didn't turn up to play. But North win a bit unconvincingly and it's all about how they're ordinary and not a real contender.
 
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I think people are still wanting to be convinced by North purely based on what they've done in the last 5 or so years. They've always been competitive and been expected to take that next step but they never really have and have been terribly inconsistent. There has always been a huge gap between their best and worst from one week to the next. It appears they've gone past that, yet still feels like they haven't really played anyone?

Rd1 - Beat Crows under the roof. Crows are above average at best, may scrape into the 8. We beat them away convincingly.
Rd2 - Beat the Lions by 6 goals. We beat them by 11.
Rd3 - Beat the Dees by 5 in shootout - could have gone either way.
Rd4 - Beat the winless Dockers - who still kicked their highest score of the season but lost.
Rd5 - Beat the Suns are a rabble, who we destroyed the following week.
Rd6 - Beat the Dogs. Best win of the season.
Rd7 - Just got over the Saints.
Rd8 - Put the Bombers away early but just got home in the end.
Rd9 - Belted Carlton.

I'm not convinced, because the best team they have played is the Bulldogs and their interstate wins have been against the Suns and the Lions - both rubbish. I will say the difference is that they are winning the games they should but until they've beaten a couple of the Swans, GWS, Hawks, WCE, Cats and have a convincing win or two against decent teams interstate, I'm not going to place them as the benchmark. Same as most wouldn't have had Freo above Hawthorn in recent years.

I'm not saying North aren't legit, they'll be thereabouts but I think 9-0 might be flattering them. Still not sure who the benchmark is though to be honest, maybe nobody. Maybe GWS now? They've taken bigger scalps than North - thumped the Hawks, beat us, looked comfortable vs the Dogs and had a couple of good away wins, look to be really building and I reckon could be a force by years end. We'll have a better idea in 5 weeks.
 
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Every year it has been said to be an even comp, I doubt that is it anymore even now then it was in past years. Even in our peak years we dropped games to quite a few mediocre teams. The things that were good about our team a week ago are stills true now, so to are the things that were poor about our team. It's no fluke that we're 7-2. Often a loss can serve as a reset button to help get rid of some bad habits that have been creeping into our game.

I'm just really looking forward to this weekend, I hope to see our players really fired up. I doubt that we'll be complacent after our showing against Collingwood
Not talking about Geelong (because after not being able to match it with top teams for 12-18 months prior to this year, I'd like a little more evidence before declaring them an absolute top team) but when a team in the middle or lower third of the ladder beats or matches it with a top 4 team everyone declares how even the competition is.... But perhaps it's not. Perhaps the top teams just can't get the required energy/intensity or manufacture that it's the same as a top of the table/Easter Monday style/Friday night blockbuster game and play below their most intense level and the middle/lower team after having a poor season, with no pressure, set themselves to have a no consequence crack.
Not saying that's always true. And I do think things are more even now than during the expansion years. But on the flip side, every close game between a 4th v 10th team doesn't always mean the comp is "so even"
 

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I think people are still wanting to be convinced by North purely based on what they've done in the last 5 or so years. They've always been competitive and been expected to take that next step but they never really have and have been terribly inconsistent. There has always been a huge gap between their best and worst from one week to the next. It appears they've gone past that, yet still feels like they haven't really played anyone?

Rd1 - Beat Crows under the roof. Crows are above average at best, may scrape into the 8. We beat them away convincingly.
Rd2 - Beat the Lions by 6 goals. We beat them by 11.
Rd3 - Beat the Dees by 5 in shootout - could have gone either way.
Rd4 - Beat the winless Dockers - who still kicked their highest score of the season but lost.
Rd5 - Beat the Suns are a rabble, who we destroyed the following week.
Rd6 - Beat the Dogs. Best win of the season.
Rd7 - Just got over the Saints.
Rd8 - Put the Bombers away early but just got home in the end.
Rd9 - Belted Carlton.

I'm not convinced, because the best team they have played is the Bulldogs and their interstate wins have been against the Suns and the Lions - both rubbish. I will say the difference is that they are winning the games they should but until they've beaten a couple of the Swans, GWS, Hawks, WCE, Cats and have a convincing win or two against decent teams interstate, I'm not going to place them as the benchmark. Same as most wouldn't have had Freo above Hawthorn in recent years.

I'm not saying North aren't legit, they'll be thereabouts but I think 9-0 might be flattering them. Still not sure who the benchmark is though to be honest, maybe nobody. Maybe GWS. We'll have a better idea in 5 weeks.
Yep, but it still remains that they have beaten everyone they have played, and nobody else has been able to do that, despite also having some easy games. Not really part of their tradition to be way ahead of the comp, they just chip away, do enough and at this point are getting the job done.
 

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I think people are falling into the trap of saying they're not a great team so they shouldn't be 9-0 and therefore they're overrated and won't win it. The problem with that is there aren't any great teams this year andI think North are as good a chance as anybody. It's amazing that for your team's reputation it seems like the only thing worse than losing is winning unconvincingly.

Sydney lose to Richmond and it's all about how Richmond were breathing fire and it's just an aberration where a quality team just didn't turn up to play. But North win a bit unconvincingly and it's all about how they're ordinary and not a real contender.
Yep agree, but they rarely blow teams away. And as you say, no great teams- who has been more convincing really?
 
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I think people are falling into the trap of saying they're not a great team so they shouldn't be 9-0 and therefore they're overrated and won't win it. The problem with that is there aren't any great teams this year andI think North are as good a chance as anybody. It's amazing that for your team's reputation it seems like the only thing worse than losing is winning unconvincingly.

Sydney lose to Richmond and it's all about how Richmond were breathing fire and it's just an aberration where a quality team just didn't turn up to play. But North win a bit unconvincingly and it's all about how they're ordinary and not a real contender.
I feel like usually a string of unconvincing wins comes to an and then you start to drop some - feels a little like us in 2014. We were winning but not in convincing fashion really. Finished third but then got finals bundled out of the finals in straight sets when the tempo was up, funnily enough by North. I don't know - I kinda of get the same feel about them right now. Not saying that's how it will end up, just how it feels right now until I've seen otherwise from them on the road and vs someone of quality. The best team they've played still is the Bulldogs and their two interstae games were vs the QLD rabbles.
 

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I feel like usually a string of unconvincing wins comes to an and then you start to drop some - feels a little like us in 2014. We were winning but not in convincing fashion really. Finished third but then got finals bundled out of the finals in straight sets when the tempo was up, funnily enough by North. I don't know - I kinda of get the same feel about them right now. Not saying that's how it will end up, just how it feels right now until I've seen otherwise from them on the road and vs someone of quality. The best team they've played still is the Bulldogs and their two interstae games were vs the QLD rabbles.
They have matched up on us very well in recent years.
That's what worries me with our up coming game. Even going back to 2013, North Melbourne know how to play us.
We got them a couple of times the next year but when it was finals time, they basically held a 5 goal lead all the way through the game. It was not until the halfway mark of the final quarter did we make a final run at it but we were never a chance. Was a carbon copy of this weekend's match.
Brown, Petrie and Waite are too big for our back-line. It's similar to GWS's with Lobb, Cameron and Patton as there are not many defenders taller than 197cm who can jump with Petrie or Patton. Certainly Lonergan can no longer do it as we are watching him decline at the moment.
 
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I think people are still wanting to be convinced by North purely based on what they've done in the last 5 or so years. They've always been competitive and been expected to take that next step but they never really have and have been terribly inconsistent. There has always been a huge gap between their best and worst from one week to the next. It appears they've gone past that, yet still feels like they haven't really played anyone?

Rd1 - Beat Crows under the roof. Crows are above average at best, may scrape into the 8. We beat them away convincingly.
Rd2 - Beat the Lions by 6 goals. We beat them by 11.
Rd3 - Beat the Dees by 5 in shootout - could have gone either way.
Rd4 - Beat the winless Dockers - who still kicked their highest score of the season but lost.
Rd5 - Beat the Suns are a rabble, who we destroyed the following week.
Rd6 - Beat the Dogs. Best win of the season.
Rd7 - Just got over the Saints.
Rd8 - Put the Bombers away early but just got home in the end.
Rd9 - Belted Carlton.

I'm not convinced, because the best team they have played is the Bulldogs and their interstate wins have been against the Suns and the Lions - both rubbish. I will say the difference is that they are winning the games they should but until they've beaten a couple of the Swans, GWS, Hawks, WCE, Cats and have a convincing win or two against decent teams interstate, I'm not going to place them as the benchmark. Same as most wouldn't have had Freo above Hawthorn in recent years.

I'm not saying North aren't legit, they'll be thereabouts but I think 9-0 might be flattering them. Still not sure who the benchmark is though to be honest, maybe nobody. Maybe GWS now? They've taken bigger scalps than North - thumped the Hawks, beat us, looked comfortable vs the Dogs and had a couple of good away wins, look to be really building and I reckon could be a force by years end. We'll have a better idea in 5 weeks.
Still have to play Swans x2, hawks x2, geelong, then Adelaide, West coast and the dogs all away...

Some defining games for the roos, more so than their first 9 games.
 
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