Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

For how long will Chris Scott be Geelong coach?

  • For as long as he wants the job

  • 5+ more years

  • Somewhere between 2020 and 2022 (i.e. beyond his current contract)

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2019

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2018

  • The Nuclear Option: sacked/resign in 2017


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With more finals losses than wins... Staggering.
Finals wins/loss tally is totally meaningless .Premierships is what its about .

When you use finals wins/loss as way to judges a coach you reward coaches who don't make the finals and punish coaches who overachieve and make the finals .
 

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Finals wins/loss tally is totally meaningless .Premierships is what its about .

When you use finals wins/loss as way to judges a coach you reward coaches who don't make the finals and punish coaches who overachieve and make the finals .
It's good that you don't need to win finals to win premierships.
 

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There's a difference between hatred and assessing job performance critically.

I don't want him to fail. Past performances lead me to expect it.

If you didn't want him to fail, then how come you don't credit his coaching when we win games?

When we lose, you blame Scott for all of it. When we win, you don't even mention Chris Scott, and give credit to others instead.

If you blame his coaching when we lose games, or a bad decision is made, then isn't it fair to also credit him when he out-coaches the other coach, (like he did as a first-year coach, against veteran coach Malthouse, in the 2011 GF), when we win games, and a good decision or position change is made.

You should credit him for the 2011 finals series, and his part at getting Dangerfield and the others to the club with the same passion as you bag him for our PF loss this year and us losing Caddy.

We have missed finals once under Scott, and bounced back this year after missing finals.

Give criticism, by all means, but give credit to him when it is due as well. Fair's fair.

Next time we have a big win, say against someone like Hawthorn, I want to come on here and see you post glowing praise about Chris Scott's coaching, and how he helped engineer the win. I won't be holding my breath, though.
 
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Finals wins/loss tally is totally meaningless .Premierships is what its about .

When you use finals wins/loss as way to judges a coach you reward coaches who don't make the finals and punish coaches who overachieve and make the finals .
Ah ok, so he inherited a champion team but hasn't been able to back it up at the business end since... strange.
 

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Very good.
In all honesty, and posts are on the record, did you personally think we were past it after the 10 finals? And moreover, were you confident we would win the 11 GF preseason?
I'm on record after round 8 of 2011 in saying we were certainties for the premiership. I have posts on facebook and a substantial bet I won as proof... as well as word from close friends.
 

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I'm on record after round 8 of 2011 in saying we were certainties for the premiership. I have posts on facebook and a substantial bet I won as proof... as well as word from close friends.
Preseason, after the 10 finals?
And good call too after rd 8. I was only a little confident after we beat the Pies last h&a game.
 

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Interesting.
I hadn't perceived that- always comes across (to me) as measured, almost self-deprecatory, downplaying our chances, but I could be gullible
It's the 'we're confident our best is' rhetoric.

To me it says to the players expect it rather than do your utmost to ensure it.
 

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Ah ok, so he inherited a champion team but hasn't been able to back it up at the business end since... strange.
So, you say that Scott inherited a champion team. Again, giving him no credit.

He won us the 2011 flag, because, when Geelong were behind in the second quarter of the 2011 GF, Cloke was running rampant, and we lost Pods, we were behind. Yet, Scott moved Lonergan to Cloke, shutting him down completely, and put Bartel as a second key forward to replace Pods, and Bartel went onto kick three crucial goals and win the Norm Smith Medal. Scott outcoached Malthouse, who didn't even move Reid off Hawkins all day.

These moves won us the GF. Chris Scott, not Mark Thompson, made these moves. So, therefore Chris Scott helped guide us to the 2011 flag.

If you don't credit when he wins us a flag, then I don't think you can then blame him when we don't, since either the coach plays a part, or he doesn't. Can't have it both ways.
 

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So, you say that Scott inherited a champion team. Again, giving him no credit.

He won us the 2011 flag, because, when Geelong were behind in the second quarter of the 2011 GF, Cloke was running rampant, and we lost Pods, we were behind. Yet, Scott moved Lonergan to Cloke, shutting him down completely, and put Bartel as a second key forward to replace Pods, and Bartel went onto kick three crucial goals and win the Norm Smith Medal. Scott outcoached Malthouse, who didn't even move Reid off Hawkins all day.

These moves won us the GF. Chris Scott, not Mark Thompson, made these moves. So, therefore Chris Scott helped guide us to the 2011 flag.

If you don't credit when he wins us a flag, then I don't think you can then blame him when we don't, since either the coach plays a part, or he doesn't. Can't have it both ways.
Okay, so when does he start taking responsibility for the constant finals failure since 2011? 2013, 2014, 2016? Nothing to do with him, is it?
 

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Okay, so when does he start taking responsibility for the constant finals failure since 2011? 2013, 2014, 2016? Nothing to do with him, is it?

Not totally to do with him.

What about the players' responsibility? Why not blame them sometimes? Maybe some of the players need to look at their own efforts.

When do you start acknowledging Chris Scott as a legit premiership coach in 2011, and stop dismissing it as being riding on the back of someone else's team.

If Scott built a team from scratch, and then won a flag with it, you would still find some excuse to credit others for the victory, not him.

You're just pissed off that the club didn't pick Ken Hinkley as coach. Seeing how he has done at Port, I'm glad we dodged that bullet.

How about you do this, BiggyBoy? Out of protest, if you don't like our coach, then go follow another team until we replace him. You won't be missed on this board.
 
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