Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

For how long will Chris Scott be Geelong coach?

  • For as long as he wants the job

  • 5+ more years

  • Somewhere between 2020 and 2022 (i.e. beyond his current contract)

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2019

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2018

  • The Nuclear Option: sacked/resign in 2017


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Oh stop... it hurts so much.:D:D
Why would I care mate I know Blight will always be far more respected than Scott.
Not more respected by Geelong. Real supporters rate coaches higher who take their club to premierships, blight failed miserably at this during his time at Geelong.

Scott is by far the better Geelong coach they blight. 2011 premiership over 90's handbaggers choking any day!
 

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Disregarded your post right here:

"Scott is a one-hit wonder with a team he inherited full of champion, already-premiership players in a quality club environment. "

Sorry, they're too hard to win to dismiss so flippantly.
Blight 0 Scott 1
Attempts: Blight 3 Scott 1.
Blight coached a team to two premierships. Back to back premierships, in fact.

And I didn't realise Scott had only had one legitimate attempt at a flag. That's funny, because I recall Geelong making 3 QFs post-2011. Those seem like legitimate flag attempts to me; it's just that Geelong's finals performance under Scott has been so insipid for the bulk of his coaching career that not in one of those attempts did he get a GF. Blight's "three attempts" as you call them were GF appearances, and the fact that he was able to get there three times with Geelong showed high-level coaching consistency. Then he went to Adelaide, and he did the same, though things worked out a little better or him there on the final day.
 

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"Our one chance of being a dynasty in the AFL".

We had a dynasty when we won the 2007, 2009 and 2011 flags, and made finals all but one year between 2007 and 2016.

I hear that our back-to-back flags in the 1950's (1951-52), where we won 23 in a row (a league record) and went 26 weeks undefeated, was a bit of a dynasty as well.

Interested to know what you consider a dynasty.
I consider a dynasty a period of intergenerational dominance, meaning a period where a team wins flags while transitioning to an entirely different group of players, so Hawthorn of the 80s, Carlton from 64 to 73, Richmond of the late 60s through to early 80s...
 
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Blight coached a team to two premierships. Back to back premierships, in fact.

And I didn't realise Scott had only had one legitimate attempt at a flag. That's funny, because I recall Geelong making 3 QFs post-2011. Those seem like legitimate flag attempts to me; it's just that Geelong's finals performance under Scott has been so insipid for the bulk of his coaching career that not in one of those attempts did he get a GF. Blight's "three attempts" as you call them were GF appearances, and the fact that he was able to get there three times with Geelong showed high-level coaching consistency. Then he went to Adelaide, and he did the same, though things worked out a little better or him there on the final day.
yawn.
 

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I can't find any quotes saying people respect Blight more than Scott because it's such a ludicrously specific subject and because there'd be very few people at Geelong that have had close up experience of both - perhaps only Steven Hocking. Regardless here's a piece from a former Geelong player about Blight and I can guarantee no current players will be writing such glorious things about Scott anytime in the future.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/774e85a5cab75f798ce001092c3c79f0
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70% win ratio and a flag.

Whilst I agree that extensions should not be on the table, let's remember this guy has been very successful at our club and let's debate if he is the coach to take us forward.

For all the negative posts on here, he has a coaching record 90% of coaches could only dream about, respect the fact he has the clubs best interests at heart, even if you don't agree with them.
 

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I can't find any quotes saying people respect Blight more than Scott because it's such a ludicrously specific subject and because there'd be very few people at Geelong that have had close up experience of both - perhaps only Steven Hocking. Regardless here's a piece from a former Geelong player about Blight and I can guarantee no current players will be writing such glorious things about Scott anytime in the future.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/774e85a5cab75f798ce001092c3c79f0
Nice, touching piece of work.
Couchy and Blighty were loved by every Cats supporter.

Footy IS different now.
Back then, we did well to make the 89 GF, to make the GF against WA state teams. We thought we would never win a GF. 95 did not help.
Now our "spoiled " supporters have tasted premiership success, and the bar has been set much higher.
No coach is going to make you happy until we completely reset and win a flag.
It might not be CS, and if not, it probably won't be anyone for a good decade.
BUT, that is NOT because of CS.
 

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But who cares about the Blight era he's gone and that era is done, Scott is still at the GFC feeding our club and its supporters false hope while he slowly destroys the team and club.


So you have NO faith in Cook or our whole administration either.
CS is the sole cause of our whole future.
You are in a bad way.
 

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Now our "spoiled " supporters have tasted premiership success, and the bar has been set much higher.
Disagree, remember when we employed Bomber, he had to rebuild the team completely and after 5 years of that rebuild had won 2 finals from 6 with an incredibly young team, 5 years in to Scott's rebuild and he's won 2 from 8 with established champions...It's not good enough.
 

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So you have NO faith in Cook or our whole administration either.
CS is the sole cause of our whole future.
You are in a bad way.
Our club relies on revenue, if we go backwards next year on the field (which we will), and then Scott leaves the team needing a full rebuild to realistically challenge for a flag in the future (which he will), then our revenue will be hit hard and that will affect the whole club.
 

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Disagree, remember when we employed Bomber, he had to rebuild the team completely and after 5 years of that rebuild had won 2 finals from 6 with an incredibly young team, 5 years in to Scott's rebuild and he's won 2 from 8 with established champions...It's not good enough.
As I have said many times, and it applies to many things in life, often the chase is better than the catch and once you've hit the top, the slow decline is inexorable. At least our gallant coach has not accepted defeat and is proactive enough to keep us competitive, against the odds.
And, 70% of the 105 who have voted on this thread are not against CS remaining on as coach after 2017. Don't tell me they are all misguided sheep.
 

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Our club relies on revenue, if we go backwards next year on the field (which we will), and then Scott leaves the team needing a full rebuild to realistically challenge for a flag in the future (which he will), then our revenue will be hit hard and that will affect the whole club.
But you'll be relieved, vindicated, and we close the thread down- there is a bright side after all.
 

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And, 70% of the 105 who have voted on this thread are not against CS remaining on as coach after 2017. Don't tell me they are all misguided sheep.
No, 70% have voted either not to re-sign him or they at least want to see the product before even considering re-signing him - spin it any way you want but that poll aint good for Scott.
 

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No, 70% have voted either not to re-sign him or they at least want to see the product before even considering re-signing him - spin it any way you want but that poll aint good for Scott.
Where do you see me in this CS debate, not that it's important, but jfi.
And without looking at how I voted.
Anyway, I voted for after 2017, which is only fair, as I think that should ALWAYS be the case, even if we had Craig Bellamy!
 

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Where do you see me in this CS debate, not that it's important, but jfi.
And without looking at how I voted.
Anyway, I voted for after 2017, which is only fair, as I think that should ALWAYS be the case, even if we had Craig Bellamy!
I see you like many on here always trying to find hope in the coming season/s but either ignoring or not having the courage to confront the nagging thought in the back of your mind that Scott is not good for us, and is not going to ever lead us to future success.
 

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I see you like many on here always trying to find hope in the coming season/s but either ignoring or not having the courage to confront the nagging thought in the back of your mind that Scott is not good for us, and is not going to ever lead us to future success.
No different to any supporter of any club each and every year then
 

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I see you like many on here always trying to find hope in the coming season/s but either ignoring or not having the courage to confront the nagging thought in the back of your mind that Scott is not good for us, and is not going to ever lead us to future success.
Even with your promptings ad nauseum, and I am pretty fatalistic if you really knew me, I still do not have that feeling you do.
And even if we do bottom out, I actually expect that, always have, but I am frankly enjoying our cheating the system and staying right up there.
 

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Even with your promptings ad nauseum, and I am pretty fatalistic if you really knew me, I still do not have that feeling you do.
And even if we do bottom out, I actually expect that, always have, but I am frankly enjoying our cheating the system and staying right up there.
We need to bottom out to be able to realistically challenge for a flag again in the future. I'd much prefer that than our current attitude of hanging around in no mans land in the finals and not doing anything of note.
 

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We need to bottom out to be able to realistically challenge for a flag again in the future. I'd much prefer that than our current attitude of hanging around in no mans land in the finals and not doing anything of note.
So you hated the whole of this season , our wins meant nothing, because you knew we wouldn't win a flag?
Not sure about your life experiences, but where I come from, nothing is guaranteed in life, particularly life itself, and just enjoying each game fwiw, hating the losses that should maybe not have been, but actually enjoying the wins we do have , makes for a better supporting experience, imho.
Vinum Coupe- where is he - has said several times this season, ENJOY THE RIDE. That is a salient truth for me.
 

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So you hated the whole of this season , our wins meant nothing, because you knew we wouldn't win a flag?
I didn't 'hate' our whole season, I just knew it was a waste, as every season will be until Scott goes. You must understand all we are doing under Scott is winning enough to do nothing much but keep him in the job, and not planning for or executing any plan for our next flag in the process.
 

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I didn't 'hate' our whole season, I just knew it was a waste, as every season will be until Scott goes. You must understand all we are doing under Scott is winning enough to do nothing much but keep him in the job, and not planning for or executing any plan for our next flag in the process.
You really don't understand coaching post a great era, you can jump on here and say We will see no success until Scott goes, and the reality is you are more than likely right:

How did it got for Ayres post 97 and 98
How did it go for Pagan and Laidley post 96 and 98
How did it go for Sheedy and Knights post 2000
How did it go for Matthews and Voss post 01 to 03

The only one to break the mould in Recent times is Longmire and how many more flags does he have than Scott?

Is Scott the man for the future? Maybe or maybe not, but odds are against him as post premiership eras are the toughest to coach.

We are about to find out if Clarkson is any good at it.

You can say all you do want about Scott but a 70% win rate since 2011 in a post premiership era is unbelievable.

He has vertically turned over the list and still finished top 4.

What happens after 2017? I trust the board of the Geelong Football club to make the right call, but I am getting sick of people rubbishing Scott, love or hate him he has coached through a post premiership run and I don't think anyone could have done a better job.

We have a young list and and am excited about the next 5 years and if Scott is or is not the guy I cannot speak highly enough of his work for the club.

For the record I think we have a great 3 or 4 years ahead and it will correctly include the Chris Scott re-signing at some point.

I am backing him in, and as for any coach in the AFL backing against them would be the easy option.
 
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