Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

For how long will Chris Scott be Geelong coach?

  • For as long as he wants the job

  • 5+ more years

  • Somewhere between 2020 and 2022 (i.e. beyond his current contract)

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2019

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2018

  • The Nuclear Option: sacked/resign in 2017


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Oh, ffs, Hawks three-peat team was not better than any of our one-peat premiership sides. We played and won all of our grandfinals in an undiluted competition, against teams on an equal footing. The Hawks won against the opposite, by virtue of owning a mature list at the right time. I'm not saying their club admin and plans weren't better, just their cattle.
Well I'm not necessarily disputing that at all, just saying you can't get a threepeat out of an AFL team if you don't have a great relationship with your players as a coach.
 

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Well a quick calculation, 1 BC question = roughly 4 replies not including likes, so let's see 1450 x 4 = 5800, gee that's a lot of peanuts he's dished out in this thread alone.


Again, 1 BC question = roughly 4 replies not including likes, so let's see 1000+ x 4 = 4000+. Must be costing him a fortune in peanuts!!!!
Yeah it's a strange mentality with this lot, it's like they're constantly thinking 'we hate what Blighty says! So rather than put him on ignore, or not read his posts, let's go to the thread we know he'll be on and comment on every single post he makes, that'll show him!'
 

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Neither has ever been a pin up boy of mine. All I've said of Bucks is he outcoaches Scott in head to head which is an indisputable fact, and of Ross I said back in 2015 I admired how he valued defence and accountability in his game plan because we clearly didn't at the time.
If you want that Bucks stat as some sort of relevance, let us counter that with CS's record against Clarko. Meaningless.
What counts is that we have a hybrid list with an excellent coach who sits on a w-l record of > 70% which is unrivalled.
That means that every season, we win at least 2/3 of our games, and constantly having your team winning > losing is great.
 

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If you want that Bucks stat as some sort of relevance, let us counter that with CS's record against Clarko. Meaningless.
What counts is that we have a hybrid list with an excellent coach who sits on a w-l record of > 70% which is unrivalled.
That means that every season, we win at least 2/3 of our games, and constantly having your team winning > losing is great.
It's not great and counts for nothing if you consistently fail in finals, I mean what's the point of winning season games when you lose when it counts? Do any Hawthorn supporters care Scott has a better season winning % than Clarko? Or do any Doggies supporters care? Or do any supporters other than Geelong supporters care?
 

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It's not great and counts for nothing if you consistently fail in finals, I mean what's the point of winning season games when you lose when it counts? Do any Hawthorn supporters care Scott has a better season winning % than Clarko? Or do any Doggies supporters care? Or do any supporters other than Geelong supporters care?
Then why should we care that bucks has apparently out coached Scott. Haven't played Bucks in a meaningful game and the last time we played Collingwood when it mattered (Bucks as an assistant) we took home a premiership.

Bucks is a shit coach. End of.
 

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It's not great and counts for nothing if you consistently fail in finals, I mean what's the point of winning season games when you lose when it counts? Do any Hawthorn supporters care Scott has a better season winning % than Clarko? Or do any Doggies supporters care? Or do any supporters other than Geelong supporters care?
As I said, all these stats are meaningless, but you will dredge out any negative stats against CS, eg Buckley, to support your theories. Against that are plenty of positive supporting stats for CS.
There is allowed to be some defence against your claims if they appear to be biased, negative or unfounded to those of us that don't agree with you all the time.
 

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As I said, all these stats are meaningless, but you will dredge out any negative stats against CS, eg Buckley, to support your theories. Against that are plenty of positive supporting stats for CS.
There is allowed to be some defence against your claims if they appear to be biased, negative or unfounded to those of us that don't agree with you all the time.
No doubt you can dispute what I say, but at least understand context, I was responding to someone who said Bucks and Ross Lyon were my love child's when I've never said anything about them apart from what I said above. I wasn't trying to denigrate Scott in any way but just re-hashing what I said about the relevant coaches disproving the assertion that I somehow love them and want them at Geelong which just isn't true.
 

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No doubt you can dispute what I say, but at least understand context, I was responding to someone who said Bucks and Ross Lyon were my love child's when I've never said anything about them apart from what I said above. I wasn't trying to denigrate Scott in any way but just re-hashing what I said about the relevant coaches disproving the assertion that I somehow love them and want them at Geelong which just isn't true.
Apologies. One of my (many) bad habits is starting to read threads from the last page backwards.


On a side issue, that is how we employ staff at our sports injury clinics- the Newspaper Test. If given a newspaper to read, they must start from the (back) sports pages, otherwise not employed!
 

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Well I'm not necessarily disputing that at all, just saying you can't get a threepeat out of an AFL team if you don't have a great relationship with your players as a coach.
That isn't self evident. Why can't you? And what is a "great relationship" between player and coach?

Chris Scott got it once. But that isn't enough proof. You can unequivocally say that the coach is a good communicator if they have a three-peat. I actually agree with that, in loose principle. But why include Beveridge? He is a mirror of Scott, except his inheritance was on the way up, where Scott's was on the way down. Let's see in five years time if he has a better record, right?
 

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First of all we don't have any opportunity of winning the big one and won't anytime soon, second of all as I posted the other day in the last 5 years we don't even make the 8 in relation to finals won; in no particular order West Coast, Adelaide, Port, Bulldogs, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Fremantle, and Sydney have all won more finals than us in the last 5 years - do you really call that being competitive?
This is quite disgraceful when you consider Geelong's H&A position during those five years. North Melbourne hasn't finished a H&A season in the top 4 once and still has a better finals record.
 

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That isn't self evident. Why can't you? And what is a "great relationship" between player and coach?

Chris Scott got it once. But that isn't enough proof. You can unequivocally say that the coach is a good communicator if they have a three-peat. I actually agree with that, in loose principle. But why include Beveridge? He is a mirror of Scott, except his inheritance was on the way up, where Scott's was on the way down. Let's see in five years time if he has a better record, right?
A relationship is built on great communication so I thought it was self evident that's what I meant.
 

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This is quite disgraceful when you consider Geelong's H&A position during those five years. North Melbourne hasn't finished a H&A season in the top 4 once and still has a better finals record.
It's a complete disgrace and surely has to put to bed this notion that we've been competitive (which quite clearly means to those that say it seriously competing for the flag) in the last 5 years. What we have been plain and simple is a complete failure in finals and 8 other teams have been better than us in finals during that time.
 

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It's a complete disgrace and surely has to put to bed this notion that we've been competitive (which quite clearly means to those that say it seriously competing for the flag) in the last 5 years. What we have been plain and simple is a complete failure in finals and 8 other teams have been better than us in finals during that time.
That's a pretty awful record right there.

Most of our supporters have blurred vision and only point out stats of lesser importance like the 70% w/l record when in fact that finals record should be seen as the more crucial stat, wonder if Cook had that same blurred vision when working on Scotts latest contract.
 

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I don't see any reason why his contract should be renewed before the end of the season. His overall W/L record is good though I don't think it's entirely his doing, while our finals record since 2011 has been poor, and particularly poor relative to our pre-finals positions.

Finals performance really is the only true test of his worth at this point.
 

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I don't see any reason why his contract should be renewed before the end of the season. His overall W/L record is good though I don't think it's entirely his doing, while our finals record since 2011 has been poor, and particularly poor relative to our pre-finals positions.

Finals performance really is the only true test of his worth at this point.
His w-l record is not his own doing (entirely), but the finals losses are?
 

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Well I'm not necessarily disputing that at all, just saying you can't get a threepeat out of an AFL team if you don't have a great relationship with your players as a coach.
odd comment considering a few pages back you adopted mooneys words that scott was from the leigh matthews 'me and them' school.

so yeah you definitely cant, 50% of the time.
 

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Yeah it's a strange mentality with this lot, it's like they're constantly thinking 'we hate what Blighty says! So rather than put him on ignore, or not read his posts, let's go to the thread we know he'll be on and comment on every single post he makes, that'll show him!'
For me it's like looking after a pet. I can't just ignore it, that would be cruel.
 
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First of all we don't have any opportunity of winning the big one and won't anytime soon, second of all as I posted the other day in the last 5 years we don't even make the 8 in relation to finals won; in no particular order West Coast, Adelaide, Port, Bulldogs, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Fremantle, and Sydney have all won more finals than us in the last 5 years - do you really call that being competitive?
Sorry, but when you play finals you do have the opportunity of winning the big one. It only comes down to personal opinion if you think the team can or can't win it. Nevertheless, by being in finals an opportunity has been created. For some reason you continue to avoid giving Scott any acknowledgement for what he has tried to achieve in turning around a declining list since 2011. Only three of those clubs you have listed have won a flag. Do we classify the others as mediocre as well, given they have not won one? And to answer the question, given the circumstances of addressing the renewal of a declining list, yes the team has been competitive and will continue to be. Good enough to win a flag? The opportunity will be there.
 

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No doubt you can dispute what I say, but at least understand context, I was responding to someone who said Bucks and Ross Lyon were my love child's when I've never said anything about them apart from what I said above. I wasn't trying to denigrate Scott in any way but just re-hashing what I said about the relevant coaches disproving the assertion that I somehow love them and want them at Geelong which just isn't true.
I can see that you're softening your stance on Scott in a few of your recent posts. I'm really glad to see that you are actually a reasonable person. :thumbsu::rainbow:
 
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