Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

For how long will Chris Scott be Geelong coach?

  • For as long as he wants the job

  • 5+ more years

  • Somewhere between 2020 and 2022 (i.e. beyond his current contract)

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2019

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2018

  • The Nuclear Option: sacked/resign in 2017


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Why not though? Smith and Stanley were specifically recruited to solve the ruck problem. One gets thrashed by a second gamer and the other runs around in the seconds. That seems a bit of a concern I would have thought.
How concerning is it at Round 2 of the season?
 

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Why not though? Smith and Stanley were specifically recruited to solve the ruck problem. One gets thrashed by a second gamer and the other runs around in the seconds. That seems a bit of a concern I would have thought.
They weren't recruited to beat Sandilands in hitouts, I think that is his point.
 

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Before we all go down the path of explaining maths to you, who determines that 2011 is a statistical outlier? And why?

Does the AFL (the official body) exclude it from data?

What else do we exclude when we discuss AFL seasons and game?

Shall we exclude finals Scott's post 2011 finals record as statistical outliers because during the regular season this average is so high?

You are not even a good troll.
You are seriously in need of some new material.

First you return to the old 'statistical outlier' chestnut. Congrats on circling back to yet another well-worn path to draw your preferred conclusion.

Scott's reign (and his record in finals) can only be objectively analysed if you include all the data. Anything less is obviously disingenuous and a blatant attempt to avoid 'unpleasant yet indisputable facts' that don't support your argument at all.

And then the latest in the succession of strawmen that you roll out day after day. Point me to one post where I defend the team's finals record in recent years. Our finals record since 2011 is disappointing and that reached its nadir for me in the first 15 minutes of last year's PF. I don't like it and I certainly don't jump on here to defend it.

Finally, you return to outright lies in stating I 'care little for the club's success and would rather celebrate mediocrity'. Nothing I have ever posted here would intimate that in any way whatsoever.

So, again we have:

(1) some of your pet phraseology rolled out in a vain attempt to exclude meaningful data that does not suit your agenda;
(2) the positing of yet another strawman to match your emotive rhetoric;
(3) the fabrication of supposed 'admissions' by me that simpy do not exist.

Another six lines of text from you resulting in yet another trio of chronic missteps in 'arguing' your position.

For someone who accuses our current coach of 'never learning', you appear to have more than a little in common.
You never cease to amaze. I doubt whoever came up with the theory of excluding "Statistical outliers" was talking about 6 years as a long period of time. But when you are trolling let's not let reality get in the way of a good argument
blightys is clearing posting for reactions a lot of the time, and seeing alerts and 3 replies in a row would be exactly what he wants. its best to just leave him to shout into the void - the fun of it would wear off pretty quickly if he kept logging in to 0 alerts - at least until he engages in a constructive way.

there is something to be said for the relevance of 2011 starting to wear off a little, though. great achievement, and a flag few people probably saw coming (and it was dominant too, possibly our most dominant season of the three flags), and scott managed the year perfectly. it is absolutely part of scotts record, and demonstrates he can 'do it'. but it was 6 seasons ago now, and theres only so long you can get through on 'past glories'.
 

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Why not though? Smith and Stanley were specifically recruited to solve the ruck problem. One gets thrashed by a second gamer and the other runs around in the seconds. That seems a bit of a concern I would have thought.
I think realistically 211 has such a massive height advantage in contested hitout situations that most teams will allow for that and unless you have a ruck that will be able to continually leap higher at every contest, it is a forlorn hope.
Nevertheless, imho, Smith would have been the ideal choice to contest with 211 if that was the aim. But coaching against 211 has not been in vain- often we roved to his work, and that included Stanley and Blic.

I personally have no concerns with our rucks- they have their assets and will compete well with most setups from other teams- last Sunday was unexpected, but 211 not. Playing Gawn this week will certainly be a challenge- currently #1 in the comp.
 

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blightys is clearing posting for reactions a lot of the time, and seeing alerts and 3 replies in a row would be exactly what he wants. its best to just leave him to shout into the void - the fun of it would wear off pretty quickly if he kept logging in to 0 alerts - at least until he engages in a constructive way.

there is something to be said for the relevance of 2011 starting to wear off a little, though. great achievement, and a flag few people probably saw coming (and it was dominant too, possibly our most dominant season of the three flags), and scott managed the year perfectly. it is absolutely part of scotts record, and demonstrates he can 'do it'. but it was 6 seasons ago now, and theres only so long you can get through on 'past glories'.
Basically any team that makes the grand final shoots up the rankings. Over such a small sample period of 5 years it means nothing, so 6 is better.
 

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And then the latest in the succession of strawmen that you roll out day after day. Point me to one post where I defend the team's finals record in recent years. Our finals record since 2011 is disappointing and that reached its nadir for me in the first 15 minutes of last year's PF. I don't like it and I certainly don't jump on here to defend it.
I actually never said you did defend our finals record, I worded it as 'if someone did etc etc... So you say you don't then that's fine all cleared up then.
 

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Finally, you return to outright lies in stating I 'care little for the club's success and would rather celebrate mediocrity'. Nothing I have ever posted here would intimate that in any way whatsoever.
Again never made that claim, I said if you defend his finals record then you care little for the club...
You don't so it's irrelevant to you.
 
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If Scott's coaching is the matter being assessed, it simply cannot make any sense to exclude relevant data from the set.

2011 is a fact as well. It's just your myopic bias that prevents you from including it in any objective analysis of how our coach has performed over his time at the club, including in finals.

You exclude the data purely because you don't like it. That has nothing to do with it being a 'statistical outlier' and everything to do with it not suiting your particular skewed viewpoint.
 

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By that logic, do we recruit a key forward and not expect them to kick goals on Rance, or a tagger who isn't expected to stop Fyfe or Martin?
the best player in the game isnt always available in every position though. any KPF or tagger recruited by anyone, it would be understood that they are going to get handled by the elites at times.
 

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By that logic, do we recruit a key forward and not expect them to kick goals on Rance, or a tagger who isn't expected to stop Fyfe or Martin?
No, we recruit players with assets and try and optimise those. As we are doing week in week out.
Smith and Stanley offer plenty. Can they dominate 211? Of course not.
 

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I cannot believe that the Doggies completely gave up on Beveridge! I thought they loved him and turns out that they wouldn't even play for him in that last quarter.

Even beyond his players deserting him, I would have thought that he'd have structures set up to beat such a lowly ranked team such as Freo. I mean, even the Cats with their two part time rucks being dominated at bounces were able to use tactics and sound coaching to beat Freo.
 
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Perhaps that "cheap win" v Freo was not so cheap after all...:oops::oops::oops:

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I said all along I thought Freo looked sharp when we played them. They got smashed last week, but I think we burst their balloon when we beat them. Lyon's body language prior to our game was very upbeat, and I think we surprised them. And they look like they have bounced back now.
 

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By that logic, do we recruit a key forward and not expect them to kick goals on Rance, or a tagger who isn't expected to stop Fyfe or Martin?
Not sure I agree with your logic here. Smith and Stanley have improved our ruck division from what it was, they are better than Vardy, Walker, West etc.

However if they were rucks that could seriously compete or even beat Sandilands, Gawn, Goldstein then I doubt we'd have got them for pick 21 and two R3 picks combined. Clubs would have been all over them. Against those rucks they're not equipped to do so well and we have to live with that I feel, that said, Stanley being beaten by a 2nd gamer is not good and probably led to his omission.

Next few weeks we get to see their worth to the team, they'll be up against rucks that they can compete with or even beat.
 

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Not sure what a cheap win even is. They're all worth 4 points.
Having read the posts potting the club as no good and the results thus far as nothing/cheap wins, I was just highlighting the inaccuracy of the "nothing wins"

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