Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

For how long will Chris Scott be Geelong coach?

  • For as long as he wants the job

  • 5+ more years

  • Somewhere between 2020 and 2022 (i.e. beyond his current contract)

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2019

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2018

  • The Nuclear Option: sacked/resign in 2017


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True. Except with me, I thought my generation was just as bad. It was the previous generation whose music I prefer.
fair enough, im very similar. my favourite are the beatles by a large margin (most underrated band in history IMO - no matter how highly you rate them it isnt enough), and i wasnt even alive when john died. i also love beethoven, rachmaninoff, and others of that 'vintage'.

but there was guff in beethovens age (daniel steibelt wrote some horrifically bad chamber music apparently, coukd shred a piano but was incapable of playing slow movements. there are accounts of beethoven destroying him in a piano duel, so much so he slunk out and never returned to paris). only the 'great stuff' generally stands the test of time, so its common to look at, say, the 60s (dylan, stones, beatles, etc) and assume it was ALL great - the garbage (and there was a ton) is just forgotten.

i love a lot of blues (magic sam, rory gallagher, albert king) amongst others.

love some more 'now' bands, too. AM by the arctic monkeys is getting slightly dated, but is an absolute pearler.

i also love to put on either of the spice girls albums sometimes, and 'hit 'em up styles' by blu cantrell is grear fun.

couldnt care less how people view my tastes though - i like whatever i like, and ill listen to any style and anyone if it gives me a buzz.

disagree that society and music today is lacking 'testicles' generally, whatever that means, but i guess thats neither here nor there.

sorry all for going OT - i find it difficult not to engage in music convos.
 

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fair enough... id agree with 2013 PF at 3/4 time, but before the game i thought wed be lucky to get within 5 goals. we were humming in 2013 until 3/4s of the way through the season, then the sputtering started.

having written that, id almost say the 2013 PF was the mircocosm of the whole season.
We finished 2nd to hawthorn 19-3
We were 18-4

We won our last 4 leading into the finals including sydney a top 4 side by 44 points and port adelaide.

Mate we were 20 points up at 3 qtr time we had not lost to hawthorn since 2008. Riding on an 11 game winning streak vs them. It broke the kennett curse it remains the most dissapointing loss i had seen in a long long time.

I see no reason that game was not extremely winnable
 

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We finished 2nd to hawthorn 19-3
We were 18-4

We won our last 4 leading into the finals including sydney a top 4 side by 44 points and port adelaide.

Mate we were 20 points up at 3 qtr time we had not lost to hawthorn since 2008. Riding on an 11 game winning streak vs them. It broke the kennett curse it remains the most dissapointing loss i had seen in a long long time.

I see no reason that game was not extremely winnable
ok, i have no problems with you not agreeing with me - you raise some decent points, and i agree to the extent 2013 is the biggest 'one that got away' of scotts time.

i just always thought we lost 2013 when we lost simpson, who was playing well up until that injury.
 
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ok, i have no problems with you not agreeing with me - you raise some decent points, and i agree to the extent 2013 is the biggest 'one that got away' of scotts time.

i just always thought we lost 2013 when we lost simpson, who was playing well up until that injury.
We lost by 5 and varcoe was consequently traded in the near future.

Of the list of players to go down can live with dawson simpson.

Paul chapman suspension for mine the main reason chris scott doesn't have 1 extra GF on his resume and this thread not existing
 

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We lost by 5 and varcoe was consequently traded in the near future.

Of the list of players to go down can live with dawson simpson.

Paul chapman suspension for mine the main reason chris scott doesn't have 1 extra GF on his resume and this thread not existing
chapman definitely, good point.

anyway, my memory is that the game was far more winnable at 3/4 time than it seemed before the bounce.

agree 100% we shouldnt have lost from there, but i was also very pleasantly surprised we got 20 points up anyway. from memory, the hawks had 'one of those nights' where the 20 point lead perhaps flattered us somewhat?

also kind of think freo had a golden chance at their first flag if we had held on.
 

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We lost by 5 and varcoe was consequently traded in the near future.

Of the list of players to go down can live with dawson simpson.

Paul chapman suspension for mine the main reason chris scott doesn't have 1 extra GF on his resume and this thread not existing
Don't forget Bartel blindly kicking the ball out of defence (where he should never have been playing in the first place) to see a goal kicked straight over his head. In the last term. And we lost by 5 points.

Wasn't the absolute worst finals loss of the last few years, but it's up there.
 

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Don't forget Bartel blindly kicking the ball out of defence (where he should never have been playing in the first place) to see a goal kicked straight over his head. In the last term. And we lost by 5 points.
yeah, that was a shocker. it was just blind either from memory, but a grubber as well.
 

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chapman definitely, good point.

anyway, my memory is that the game was far more winnable ar 3/4 time than it seemed before the bounce.

agree 100% we shouldnt have lost from there, but i was also very pleasantly surprised we got 20 points up anyway. from memory, the hawks had 'one of those nights' where the 20 point lead perhaps flattered us somewhat?

also kind of think freo had a golden chance at their first flag if we had held on.
I just think when we had 5 games against hawthorn since 2009-10 up to 2013 prelim under 6 points and that number raises to about 8 under 11 points and we had won 11 in a row against opponent i just can't imagine hawks going in as raging 5 goal favourites in my eyes and if we didnt go in favourites how it wasn't dead even money game.

But we lost so in that sense the proof is in the facts i do think if we won that game we were every chance to knock off freo. Ross lyon never had much success on the big stage

It remains the one for me and why hawthorn have ended with the best of the modern era tag to date. They beat us when it mattered most on both occasions and racked up two premierships because of it
 

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Don't forget Bartel blindly kicking the ball out of defence (where he should never have been playing in the first place) to see a goal kicked straight over his head. In the last term. And we lost by 5 points.

Wasn't the absolute worst finals loss of the last few years, but it's up there.
I remember sigh

Not our worst loss by any means. But from a stake and positional point heading into 4th quarter and knowing our list was in transition to let that one get away hurt me the most. We have lost more winnable games than that north melbourne recently was a game we probably should be winning to make a prelim
 

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I just think when we had 5 games against hawthorn since 2009-10 up to 2013 prelim under 6 points and that number raises to about 8 under 11 points and we had won 11 in a row against opponent i just can't imagine hawks going in as raging 5 goal favourites in my eyes and if we didnt go in favourites how it wasn't dead even money game.

But we lost so in that sense the proof is in the facts i do think if we won that game we were every chance to knock off freo. Ross lyon never had much success on the big stage

It remains the one for me and why hawthorn have ended with the best of the modern era tag to date. They beat us when it mattered most on both occasions and racked up two premierships because of it

this is similar to the 'who is responsible for winning the game' argument in another thread.

Yeah sure you can say that those losses had a role in us losing the tag to Hawthorn but on the flip side you can say that the 2011 qualifying final win was a major factor in us getting 3 flags and not 2.

People just remember the GF and prelim because they're immediate finishes rather than ones that played out over another few weeks.
 

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this is similar to the 'who is responsible for winning the game' argument in another thread.

Yeah sure you can say that those losses had a role in us losing the tag to Hawthorn but on the flip side you can say that the 2011 qualifying final win was a major factor in us getting 3 flags and not 2.

People just remember the GF and prelim because they're immediate finishes rather than ones that played out over another few weeks.
Yes you can spin in that way if you want but the exact reason i didn't is because its just what ifs and predictions of future results. We could of still won it if we lost that game to hawthorn in qualifying final. Like hawthorn could still have won the flag after losing that game. Geelong weren't the knockout blow

People remember prelims and grand finals and eliminations finals because they are directly knocking you out of competition and when both lead to either a premiership or grand final berth they ultimately won i find them substantial victories against our club at key times.

We could be here all day talking about contributing factors just like people on here talk about the bye week that everybody got this season helping the bulldogs did it help possibly does it win you a grand final no way in the world it does

"When it mattered most"
 

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People underrate how important a good ruck is.

Imagine if Hawkins was out injured and Taylor had to ruck against Gawn for 3/4 of the game. That is pretty much what happened to them.
Disagree, we have played plenty of times without a decent ruck and won. Against North we didn't even contest boundary throw ins.

Plus, the key to our dominance was Melbournes mids ran out of gas - Watts was still competing all the way to the final siren.

And to add icing - Gawn had 4 disposals up to his injury. He was actually terrible, and you could have had a tall hat stand competing in his place for first touches for all the good he did.
 

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So you don't have time for Diesel? He uses a small body Maton all the time.
I hate Diesel. That said I was gonna bid on a small body Maton on eBay until I went to the shop and played one, along with Martin version and couldn't understand why anyone would ever buy either.
 

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I agree. I've got two matons, one is fairly small but nowhere near those sizes
Even though I don't like Diesel I'm surprised to hear he always uses one because he can actually play.
Also they had the top albums of the 90's on MMM today and they said at the time 1 in every 3 Australians had a copy of his album. Thought it was an interesting fact.
 

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Even though I don't like Diesel I'm surprised to hear he always uses one because he can actually play.
Also they had the top albums of the 90's on MMM today and they said at the time 1 in every 3 Australians had a copy of his album. Thought it was an interesting fact.
its not true though... hes sold 800,000 records in australia total, across all albums. so on average, 1 in every 30 people or so today, less back then.

saw him live once, think i had free tickets to an adelaide guitar festival show. can seriously play, but i find him pretty bland.

ah man, ive done the OT thing again...
 
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